Brie Larson Isn’t Letting Her ‘Captain Marvel’ Press Tour Be ‘Overwhelmingly’ White and Male

EviLore said:
Having weapons experts on-hand doesn't preclude major errors from making it into a film. Andy Stumpf on Joe Rogan recently pointed out that the bolt is locked back with an empty mag on this gun right before the big border firefight in Sicario:

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Well of course, those are usually continuity errors and cuts/editing. And they bother me in movies all the time, especially seeing semi-automatic Glocks without the slide back pulling the trigger multiple times and hearing the clicks like it's a double action.

But it's no coincidence that the media is trying to force down people's throats that AR-15s are assault rifles when they're not by definition, and there's a huge difference between an M4 and AR-15 in the military/ownership world.

It stuck out big-time to me because I never heard movies to my recollection mention fully automatics is AR-15s until that moment. The movie is called Civil War, if there was ever another civil war here, what's the most popular weapon that would be in civilian hands? :pie_wfwt:

Maybe due my real-world experience, it just felt out of place and stuck out like a sore thumb like predictive programming, lol.
 
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And now they're lying about why they took down the 'want to see' thing.

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NickFire said:
Actually it does. She has said, and I gave you a link as requested, that they had a goal to make a feminist movie. That is unquestionably the interjection of politics into a movie IMO.

Also, IMO using metrics of any origin movie other than Black Panther to gauge success misses a really big factor. This movie is dropping after being teased at the end of part 1, a mere couple months before part 2. That is a massive incentive for every fan of the MCU to see this movie. It is literally the set up to the conclusion of the entire franchise to date.
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It might have made it into the early marketing, but we can't say the "feminist" stuff made it into the movie. Look, I hated the early campaign of "HER-O" and the "I'm with HER" line. It was so goofy, transparent, and dumb. The last 2 or 3 trailers have gone away from that pandering stuff and are just showcasing the movie as the next big Marvel movie. Which to me is good and more productive.
 
mckmas8808 said:
It might have made it into the early marketing, but we can't say the "feminist" stuff made it into the movie. Look, I hated the early campaign of "HER-O" and the "I'm with HER" line. It was so goofy, transparent, and dumb. The last 2 or 3 trailers have gone away from that pandering stuff and are just showcasing the movie as the next big Marvel movie. Which to me is good and more productive.
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You are probably going to hear a lot of snide comments about men and how it takes a woman to do a man's job, because that's exactly how she's been written in the comics with this version of her.
 
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rivv3r said:
The lead actor had no charisma (sort of like Captain Marvel's lead actress.) The villain's reasoning made no logical sense (unless you're BLM.) The CGI was early 2000s quality (not very good.) I mean, I generally feel bad for you if you thought this was well made or a good movie. I think, deep down, you don't actually believe the praise you give it.
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The villains reasoning made no sense unless you're BLM. Wow. The implications there.... and just the sheer ignorance.
 
mckmas8808 said:
It might have made it into the early marketing, but we can't say the "feminist" stuff made it into the movie. Look, I hated the early campaign of "HER-O" and the "I'm with HER" line. It was so goofy, transparent, and dumb. The last 2 or 3 trailers have gone away from that pandering stuff and are just showcasing the movie as the next big Marvel movie. Which to me is good and more productive.
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The latest wave of TV spots are making the feminist angle look more and more probable. It's funny I didnt care for WW since the feminist stuff felt mostly tacked on and shallow instead of woven into the film but now I'm hoping for just the opposite with Captain Marvel.
 
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DeepEnigma said:
You are probably going to hear a lot of snide comments about men and how it takes a woman to do a man's job, because that's exactly how she's been written in the comics with this version of her.
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Hmmmm......a joke or two like that would be okay. As long as it's a funny snide comment and not a pandering one. There are many ways to write those kinds of jokes. I just hope they didn't focus test the jokes to death.

Da-Kid said:
The villains reasoning made no sense unless you're BLM. Wow. The implications there.... and just the sheer ignorance.
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The villain's reasoning made PERFECT sense. It's very obvious actually.
 
The only thing my mind couldn't shake with Black Panther, is when he was doing his accent, it reminded me so much of Vikings with Rangar and Ivar's accent.
 
Sycomunkee said:
But it was a movie and part of the universe. It had nothing to do with races, women, men, trans-folks or anything. It's where I escape reality and enjoy a story.
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That's identity politics, don't get that confused with actual pressing global politics.

And that's not a bad thing, since obviously the art/comics are going to mimic life and draw inspiration from it.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Yes.
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Yeah, I noticed that too lol. The accent would slip through out the movie.

DeepEnigma said:
That's identity politics, don't get that confused with actual pressing global politics.

And that's not a bad thing, since obviously the art/comics are going to mimic life and draw inspiration from it.
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I'd argue, you can say the same thing about identity politics. Nothing about that is different from global politics. Some people just prefer to ignore one for the other. Or they are willing to accept one and view it as valid, but not the other one.
 
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DeepEnigma said:
The only thing my mind couldn't shake with Black Panther, is when he was doing his accent, it reminded me so much of Vikings with Rangar and Ivar's accent.
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I don't know that I'd say it was perfect, but my girlfriend (who's British South African) thought the accents were pretty accurate as a whole. Hell, even Andy Serkis pulled off a good Afrikaans accent, and movies frequently get that wrong!
 
Dunki said:
About Politics yes. But not about identity politics big difference
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The user I quoted never mentioned "identity politics", neither did I, the user wanted politics out of Marvel movies, which is not possible as the MCU and the Marvel comics have a lot of politics in it.
 
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Aurelian said:
I don't know that I'd say it was perfect, but my girlfriend (who's British South African) thought the accents were pretty accurate as a whole. Hell, even Andy Serkis pulled off a good Afrikaans accent, and movies frequently get that wrong!
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That's interesting, Andy Serkis definitely sounded Afrikaans, I sometimes listen to Die Antwoord to change up my musical selection, it's a guilty pleasure, so it was familiar from that, lol.

Not saying that the main actor was inaccurate, just the accent was pretty close where if I closed my eyes he could have literally been on Vikings. I think it was more of his mellow speech pattern that was similar to Ragnar and Ivar's delivery.
 
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DeepEnigma said:
That's interesting, Andy Serkis definitely sounded Afrikaans, I sometimes listen to Die Antwoord to change up my musical selection, it's a guilty pleasure, so it was familiar from that, lol.

Not saying that the main actor was inaccurate, just the accent was pretty close where if I closed my eyes he could have literally been on Vikings. I think it was more of his mellow speech pattern that was similar to Ragnar and Ivar's delivery.
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The funny thing is that Serkis even had a good regional accent. He sounded like he came from Johannesburg as opposed to some vague place in the country. I'm waiting for a movie where someone has a laid-back Cape Town accent (it's basically the LA or San Francisco of South Africa). :messenger_tongue:

On that note: a lot of South Africans aren't sure what to make of Die Antwoord. They're at once worried that this is how foreigners see their country and yet happy to know their music is spreading. It's like Justin Bieber for Canadians... yeah, great, we're conquering your music charts, but we have smarter music than this, we swear!

I getcha on Boseman's accent. It's very serene.
 
Aurelian said:
The funny thing is that Serkis even had a good regional accent. He sounded like he came from Johannesburg as opposed to some vague place in the country. I'm waiting for a movie where someone has a laid-back Cape Town accent (it's basically the LA or San Francisco of South Africa). :messenger_tongue:

On that note: a lot of South Africans aren't sure what to make of Die Antwoord. They're at once worried that this is how foreigners see their country and yet happy to know their music is spreading. It's like Justin Bieber for Canadians... yeah, great, we're conquering your music charts, but we have smarter music than this, we swear!

I getcha on Boseman's accent. It's very serene.
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Oh no, I most definitely don't judge South Africa through Die Antwoord. I listen to pretty much all forms of music now, and some of the mindless beats are pretty neat. I understand Zef is its own counter-culture movement. Just as Metal and Punk from the UK, thrash from San Fran, hair metal from LA, lol, etc.
 
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So they are tying reviews directly to ticket sales now?

Lol destroying your privacy to own the manbabies

We need China-like Consumer Scores so that we can see who is a good consumer and who is a bad consumer & judge accordingly /s
 
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I watched trailer in cinema today and to be honest movie itself doesn't seem to have more identity politics than average Marvel show so it's probably just Brie and some of the marketing team trying to play manbabies card.
I'll wait for word of mouth but it might be watchable after all.
 
Regardless, this film is going to live or die on Larson's performance and she doesn't have what it takes to carry a film based on her previous performances, which is probably why she keeps playing the identity politics card to draw attention to the film.

Say what you will about Black Panther, but that film is filled to the brim with great actors who take their craft seriously, and can form more than 2 facial expressions at any given time.
 
The quality of the film won't matter. I can guarantee you the critics will praise the shit out of it. Over 80% on rotten tomatoes incoming.
 
Eraroten said:
The quality of the film won't matter. I can guarantee you the critics will praise the shit out of it. Over 80% on rotten tomatoes incoming.
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I don't think critics really sell movies anymore. I don't know anyone who takes them seriously. They trust the opinions of their favorite youtuber or streamer much more.
 
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Dacon said:
I don't think critics really sell movies anymore. I don't know anyone who takes them seriously. They trust the opinions of their favorite youtuber or streamer much more.
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MANY people are sold on critic's reviews. Typically not any one review, but if a movie gets 100 top notch reviews, that tends to hit social media in a way that makes people aware and gives lots of people FOMO (Fear of Missing Out".
 
mckmas8808 said:
MANY people are sold on critic's reviews. Typically not any one review, but if a movie gets 100 top notch reviews, that tends to hit social media in a way that makes people aware and gives lots of people FOMO (Fear of Missing Out".
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Yeah I don't believe that. I'd have to see some kind of statistics or numbers. I generally don't see people on social media respecting critics much at all, unless their reviews affirm their already held bias. However I do see people saying that they want to see films because they don't believe a film could be as bad as critics claim. So maybe on the most extreme ends, but generally I doubt it.
 
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Dacon said:
Yeah I don't believe that. I'd have to see some kind of statistics or numbers. I generally don't see people on social media respecting critics much at all, unless their reviews affirm their already held bias. However I do see people saying that they want to see films because they don't believe a film could be as bad as critics claim. So maybe on the most extreme ends, but generally I doubt it.
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The bolded may have something to do with that too. And it could be the people that you tend to follow, don't work in that way. But yes, the second bolded is 100% what I mean. I've seen people go see a film because it's so highly praised and also not want to see a film because it was crapped on so hard.
 
mckmas8808 said:
The bolded may have something to do with that too. And it could be the people that you tend to follow, don't work in that way. But yes, the second bolded is 100% what I mean. I've seen people go see a film because it's so highly praised and also not want to see a film because it was crapped on so hard.
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I just like to check what people are talking about in specific tags for films on social media, not who I personally follow. Still, I don't believe that critics generally have as much influence as they or companies assume. I'd put more stock in word of mouth these days. People tend to go see what their friends or family encourage them to see, rather than what some self important twat on the internet or tv tells them they should. I mean there's a reason that films become cult classics despite being lambasted by the media.
 
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Eraroten said:
The quality of the film won't matter. I can guarantee you the critics will praise the shit out of it. Over 80% on rotten tomatoes incoming.
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MCU films already clear 80% easily. Even if Black Panther got inflated reviews up to 97% for other reasons, it was still good.

I expect and hope that Captain Marvel will at least be another good MCU film. I've enjoyed these for a decade now. They don't need the divisive shit and already make tons of money.
 
Da-Kid said:
The villains reasoning made no sense unless you're BLM. Wow. The implications there.... and just the sheer ignorance.
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Look at it objectively. Who killed his father? A racist white cop? Nope. It was a fellow black man. Was he denied an education? Nope. He affirmative actioned his way to MIT (hint: if your ancestors killed themselves, you wouldn't have been born...) When he takes power, does he bother freeing the millions of fellow black people in Africa who are actually being oppressed by tribal warlords? Nope. He wants to destroy white countries. Because "it's our turn." The only people who thought he was "sympathetic" are card carrying BLM members and white guilt losers.
 
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Is this another goddamn fucking Marvel movie?

Jesus fucking christ how the hell can people still be interested in this kind of shit?
 
Velius said:
Is this another goddamn fucking Marvel movie?

Jesus fucking christ how the hell can people still be interested in this kind of shit?
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It this another fucking drive-by shipost?
How the hell can people still be so immateure to post such kind of shit?

People like different things. You dont like it? Thats fine. But if you don't want to participate in the discussion you might as well not post at all.
 
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Velius said:
Is this another goddamn fucking Marvel movie?

Jesus fucking christ how the hell can people still be interested in this kind of shit?
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Here is a clue ... if YOU arent interested then dont enter the thread and make the effort to post about it.
 
DGrayson said:
Here is a clue ... if YOU arent interested then dont enter the thread and make the effort to post about it.
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Well, he does have a point somehow, though he sure could have phrased it better...

I mean, I saw Battle Angel last week and the teaser trailer section was really something else. We had 5 trailers... Shazam, Xmen-Dark Prophecy, Avengers Endgame, Spiderman Far from Home and Captain Marvel. That was it. 5 comic book movie trailers, 4 of them from Marvel.

For the love of everything that is saint, it's about time that something changes.
 
TheExorzist said:
Well, he does have a point somehow, though he sure could have phrased it better...

I mean, I saw Battle Angel last week and the teaser trailer section was really something else. We had 5 trailers... Shazam, Xmen-Dark Prophecy, Avengers Endgame, Spiderman Far from Home and Captain Marvel. That was it. 5 comic book movie trailers, 4 of them from Marvel.

For the love of everything that is saint, it's about time that something changes.
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If i find the time to watch Alita in the cinemas, those are the exact trailers I'd want to see.
 
TheExorzist said:
Well, he does have a point somehow, though he sure could have phrased it better...

I mean, I saw Battle Angel last week and the teaser trailer section was really something else. We had 5 trailers... Shazam, Xmen-Dark Prophecy, Avengers Endgame, Spiderman Far from Home and Captain Marvel. That was it. 5 comic book movie trailers, 4 of them from Marvel.

For the love of everything that is saint, it's about time that something changes.
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But only 3 of those are MCU movies. And that's there whole 2019 movie lineup right?
 
rivv3r said:
Look at it objectively. Who killed his father? A racist white cop? Nope. It was a fellow black man. Was he denied an education? Nope. He affirmative actioned his way to MIT (hint: if your ancestors killed themselves, you wouldn't have been born...) When he takes power, does he bother freeing the millions of fellow black people in Africa who are actually being oppressed by tribal warlords? Nope. He wants to destroy white countries. Because "it's our turn." The only people who thought he was "sympathetic" are card carrying BLM members and white guilt losers.
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This post is on point.
 
rivv3r said:
Look at it objectively. Who killed his father? A racist white cop? Nope. It was a fellow black man. Was he denied an education? Nope. He affirmative actioned his way to MIT (hint: if your ancestors killed themselves, you wouldn't have been born...) When he takes power, does he bother freeing the millions of fellow black people in Africa who are actually being oppressed by tribal warlords? Nope. He wants to destroy white countries. Because "it's our turn." The only people who thought he was "sympathetic" are card carrying BLM members and white guilt losers.
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Bullshit.

His father was Wakandan and his mother was not (So her ancestors are his as well as his father's who his father's side didn't suffer the same fate because they were Wakandan too). His father didn't have to be killed by a white cop in order to for him to see the racism and injustice happening to black people on America and all over the world. Him getting into MIT wasn't even mention he was a Navy Seal Black Ops. What the hell does affirmative action have to do with anything? You just made that shit up.

Killmonger wasn't even in power long enough to initiate what he wanted to do. So there was at no point and time enough for him to kill any warlords. In fact, his Father was the one who had the idea of liberating Black people in America after witnessing the injustices happening to his people here, and Erik lived through that so him taking up his father's mission was something that turned into a dream. For him to take his rightful seat at the throne of Wakanda and liberate his people from oppression no matter who was causing it, all over the world. He did not say kill all white people, he said anyone opposing him will be destroyed, though.

Yes, black people can sympathize with him because if you look into the history that America refuses to teach when it comes to black people. It's gross, it's vehemently wrong, and there's really no forgiving it. There's not any Black person who has not thought about having power and wiping out such evil people who continue to be unjust to our people. You don't have to be a BLM member to feel that, but the way Killmonger went about it was wrong, understandable and justifiable in a way, but wrong. Genocide is never the answer, colonization is never the answer. That would make him, and Wakanda just like those people. He could have went a different route but he was too blinded by his raw anger. He took that impulse of an idea, and made it his life.
 
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I checked my local cinema and its Captain Marvel for the next few days too! Disney/Marvel so desperate wanting make Captain Marvel to break records of sort they actually had to resort to this desperate tactic. Unbelievable.
 
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