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slugbahr
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Is Rock & Roll Completely Dead?
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Ironically.
mcz117chief
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No, it isn't. We still got Avril Lavigne <3
One of the best video clips of all time! Plus it has Billy Zane!
One of the best video clips of all time! Plus it has Billy Zane!
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captainraincoat
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Not dead but there is certainly a whole lotta shit out there
I don't think we are gonna see any new rock groups that stay together for 40 or so years anymore
I don't think we are gonna see any new rock groups that stay together for 40 or so years anymore
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Hey I'm not talking about alternative stuff... I love that stuff.
Vanilla/butt rock on the other hand can simply fuck off.
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Southern Gentleman
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I, for one, would be interested to hear that Nirvana story.
Werewolf Jones
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I mean Weather came out the other week. Dude still has it.
Everyone in this thread wants a dad rock revival. It's not gonna happen. Either accept the New Wave or stay silent.
BigBooper
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Or keep complaining about the kids and their bippity boop music.I mean Weather came out the other week. Dude still has it.
Everyone in this thread wants a dad rock revival. It's not gonna happen. Either accept the New Wave or stay silent.
It's very much alive, it's just dormant far as mainstream goes really. Rockers arent outspoken, ignorantly and over opinionated, loud, obnoxious, visually startling with their weird and attention drawging fashion, diamond teeth and face tats, and so on. Rockers and metal people are no longer the flashiest thing around so no one cares.
People find this more interesting
Than this
Now the rockers are the boring looking people in the music world. They speak better, more intelligent, and don't really cause any scandals. Rockers are no longer anti establishment because that's what kids want. They want shit their parents hate, and their parents grew up on rock and metal.
People find this more interesting
Than this
Now the rockers are the boring looking people in the music world. They speak better, more intelligent, and don't really cause any scandals. Rockers are no longer anti establishment because that's what kids want. They want shit their parents hate, and their parents grew up on rock and metal.
ValiantTraveler
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I second this!
Ironically, modern musicians that portray that rebellious kind of character are part of the establishment. They are products of the industry and whenever one dies or lays low, another comes along to replace him. There is nothing anti-establishment in going through the motions the industry tells you to.
That's true but as time has shown us, kids are stupid. I was, you were, my parents as kids were, and today's kids are really fucking stupid.
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Handel
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Rock isn't the mainstream music of today, but rock songs very clearly live on in movie soundtracks, sports, commercials, etc. Rock dominated the music scene for decades, and helped shape culture. Eventually people wanted a new sound, so it was time for something else to take the reigns, so rock is dormant at the moment, waiting to be awoken.
Reptars Revenge
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I'll tel my grandkids this was the last one
Hulk_Smash
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The changes that nirvana brought to rock music I think has been forgotten in recent years. I mean arena rock and heavy metal is my favorite genre of rock but it has reached its peak and had nowhere else to go by the late 80s.
Nirvana/grunge was a pallet cleanser. After they hit it big, no one had any idea where rock was going. In one decade you had arena rock, grunge, ska, swing, nu metal, rap metal, hardcore, goth all represented. It is, without a doubt, the most creative decade of rock music ever (yes even more so than the 60s).
But thats really hard to market and unsustainable. So when Creed, Three Doors Down, Saliva, Nickelback, etc came onto the scene, labels saw them as a safe return to hard rock and marketed the shit out of them.
But they did nothing new. They didn't break new ground. They were the opposite of controversial. They had zero influence on shaping the culture. They weren't particularly good at their instruments. Nobody is putting them in their top 10 for vocals, drumming, guitars...
And so they got stale and where are you going to go after that? Nirvana already deconstructed the rock industry. Anti-war songs have already been done. The excesses of the rock n roll lifestyle-80s had it covered. Collabs with different genres was done in the 90s.
We have 6 decades of amazing music to choose from so there is LESS of a demand for new rock (besides how many different ways can you arrange a 4 part rock band that sounds GOOD and refreshing?). Many of the artists still alive and performing (hello Rolling Stones).
What we don't have is kids in their bedrooms tinkering with their guitars and starting garage bands. What we don't have is musically educated kids with a taste for real music- being satisfied with songs (billy eyelash) that literally LITERRRAALLY have two notes in them! When's the last time you heard a song with a recognizable melody?
Yeah, so it goes back to Nirvana who fundamentally changed rock and from there we see easily how rock music has been on a downward spiral. It was necessary and it was inevitable. Unfortunately, Iron Man was written 50 years ago to stop this inevitability (joke).
Like Joker said, "There's no going back. You've changed things... forever."
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spawn
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Rock is not dead. Just got to know where to look. Also, Metallica is still selling out shows. It's hard as fuck to get a ticket. You have to be one of the first people online to get a ticket.
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Pumpkin Seeds
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New rock bands aren't used commercially. No, Imagine Dragons is not rock.
But it is out there if you know where to look. Gotta train them Youtube algos.
But it is out there if you know where to look. Gotta train them Youtube algos.
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hariseldon
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Was on my phone last night so just posted a couple of videos of awesome songs but I did have some stuff to say, so now I get to say it.
The current state of the music industry is pretty fucked tbh. There isn't the money in it that took the big hitters like Elton John, Queen, Michael Jackson, et al to superstardom (not all rock but I'm building a point here so bear with me). In fact I doubt you'll ever see their like again, nobody will get to that level of fame from music again.
Streaming has buggered it all up. Streaming has led us to a place where Ed fucking Sheeran is one of the biggest 'selling' (read streaming) 'artists' out there. Ed fucking Sheeran. He belongs on Radio 2 (for non-Brits that's the station for old farts). His music is mediocre. But that's reflective of the wider industry. Look at it all - there's no energy, no passion, no drive. And it's because of streaming (and this is why many of us are warning of the future of streaming for games). Streaming lends itself to background music, wallpaper, nothing that's going to jolt you out of your seat.
Combine that with clubs losing their purpose to Tinder, and we don't have a venue where people go to hear something that takes them out of themselves, neither rock clubs nor more dance-oriented nightclubs (in my youth I had great fun at the local rock club and even got to play a gig or two there). Finally, we're all playing music off our mobile phones and into headphones, instead of playing songs from record or CD onto a hi-fi. It was more of an event - you had to go and find the disc/record and physically put it on, so your choice of music was exactly that, a conscious decision. It wasn't fast food consumed through boredom. And it was played for all in the room to hear.
These are the bigger wider problems with the music industry but I'm going to counter my own post and argue both sides a bit, which is probably an odd thing to do. These things are cyclical. We've had lots of periods where music is absolute shit. I remember the late 80s early 90s where the charts were mostly pop music. I was young so perhaps not fully aware but there were a few signs of the greatness to come - I heard the wonderful Manic Street Preachers - Motorcycle Emptiness as a kid without ever knowing what the song was, and adored it. It awoke something in me while my parents were still listening to Acid House, but the charts offered me little until the enormous surprise of Stiltskin - Inside making it to number 1. It was a surprise to me, and it was a surprise to people presenting the various chart shows around at that time (Top Of The Pops, the Chart Show on ITV on Sunday mornings, etc). I had to wait a bit longer for rock to regularly hit the charts but then Britpop happened. It was fucking amazing. The Manic Street Preachers truly hit the big time, we had Oasis, Blur, the wonderful Pulp, Supergrass, Stereophonics, Sleeper, Elastica, Shed 7, Space, Longpigs (check out she said if you've never heard it), so many amazing bands. Every week on the Chris Evans breakfast show on Radio 1 I'd hear new songs and be blown away by them. It was a magical time and I feel privileged to have grown up with that. Then the late 90s saw it all go away again. Back to pop. Dross (though still much better than where we are now).
Come the mid-00s however we had a little revival. We had the likes of Kooks, Razorlight, Arcade Fire, Kaiser Chiefs, Guillemots, Killers, Muse, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, Queen Adreena, HIM, The Strokes, Kings Of Leon, alongside more unusual stuff like The Go Team, Brakes, Ladyfuzz, etc. It felt like music was back. This time it was T4 leading the charge, and again I'd hear new and awesome songs coming out every week. Not quite Britpop levels but still pretty fucking good. Then it went quiet again. The 2010s weren't so hot, but we eventually got Haim, Everything Everything (amazing first 3 albums), Maximo Park, more Arcade Fire, I Am Kloot, Fidlar, Foxygen, Richard Hawley, some great tracks from the Staves, Death Cab For Cutie, Courtney Barnett, Foals, Alt-J, Nothing But Thieves, The Amazons, Blossoms, Future Islands, The War On Drugs, Mustasch, The Wombats, but overall it was a much reduced lineup of awesome rock compared to what we'd seen. It felt like a weaker cycle and perhaps one that was affected by the decline of people buying music in favour of streaming it.
I do hope we get another cycle of excellent music in a few years, I'm keeping an eye out for the green shoots of recovery. Something tells me that if it comes it'll be part of a return to optimism, because if you look at where the great rock music came out it was when the West had its confidence. The hair rock of the 80s when the west was super-confident, the return of confidence to Britain in the 90s, the 00s perhaps less so but still a more optimistic time than we see today. Perhaps the failure of the 10s to really get going was because post financial-crisis the West had lost its confidence, it lacked the bombast necessarily to make rock. With the US and UK heading back to greatness perhaps we'll see that return. Or maybe rock really is dead.
The current state of the music industry is pretty fucked tbh. There isn't the money in it that took the big hitters like Elton John, Queen, Michael Jackson, et al to superstardom (not all rock but I'm building a point here so bear with me). In fact I doubt you'll ever see their like again, nobody will get to that level of fame from music again.
Streaming has buggered it all up. Streaming has led us to a place where Ed fucking Sheeran is one of the biggest 'selling' (read streaming) 'artists' out there. Ed fucking Sheeran. He belongs on Radio 2 (for non-Brits that's the station for old farts). His music is mediocre. But that's reflective of the wider industry. Look at it all - there's no energy, no passion, no drive. And it's because of streaming (and this is why many of us are warning of the future of streaming for games). Streaming lends itself to background music, wallpaper, nothing that's going to jolt you out of your seat.
Combine that with clubs losing their purpose to Tinder, and we don't have a venue where people go to hear something that takes them out of themselves, neither rock clubs nor more dance-oriented nightclubs (in my youth I had great fun at the local rock club and even got to play a gig or two there). Finally, we're all playing music off our mobile phones and into headphones, instead of playing songs from record or CD onto a hi-fi. It was more of an event - you had to go and find the disc/record and physically put it on, so your choice of music was exactly that, a conscious decision. It wasn't fast food consumed through boredom. And it was played for all in the room to hear.
These are the bigger wider problems with the music industry but I'm going to counter my own post and argue both sides a bit, which is probably an odd thing to do. These things are cyclical. We've had lots of periods where music is absolute shit. I remember the late 80s early 90s where the charts were mostly pop music. I was young so perhaps not fully aware but there were a few signs of the greatness to come - I heard the wonderful Manic Street Preachers - Motorcycle Emptiness as a kid without ever knowing what the song was, and adored it. It awoke something in me while my parents were still listening to Acid House, but the charts offered me little until the enormous surprise of Stiltskin - Inside making it to number 1. It was a surprise to me, and it was a surprise to people presenting the various chart shows around at that time (Top Of The Pops, the Chart Show on ITV on Sunday mornings, etc). I had to wait a bit longer for rock to regularly hit the charts but then Britpop happened. It was fucking amazing. The Manic Street Preachers truly hit the big time, we had Oasis, Blur, the wonderful Pulp, Supergrass, Stereophonics, Sleeper, Elastica, Shed 7, Space, Longpigs (check out she said if you've never heard it), so many amazing bands. Every week on the Chris Evans breakfast show on Radio 1 I'd hear new songs and be blown away by them. It was a magical time and I feel privileged to have grown up with that. Then the late 90s saw it all go away again. Back to pop. Dross (though still much better than where we are now).
Come the mid-00s however we had a little revival. We had the likes of Kooks, Razorlight, Arcade Fire, Kaiser Chiefs, Guillemots, Killers, Muse, Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, Queen Adreena, HIM, The Strokes, Kings Of Leon, alongside more unusual stuff like The Go Team, Brakes, Ladyfuzz, etc. It felt like music was back. This time it was T4 leading the charge, and again I'd hear new and awesome songs coming out every week. Not quite Britpop levels but still pretty fucking good. Then it went quiet again. The 2010s weren't so hot, but we eventually got Haim, Everything Everything (amazing first 3 albums), Maximo Park, more Arcade Fire, I Am Kloot, Fidlar, Foxygen, Richard Hawley, some great tracks from the Staves, Death Cab For Cutie, Courtney Barnett, Foals, Alt-J, Nothing But Thieves, The Amazons, Blossoms, Future Islands, The War On Drugs, Mustasch, The Wombats, but overall it was a much reduced lineup of awesome rock compared to what we'd seen. It felt like a weaker cycle and perhaps one that was affected by the decline of people buying music in favour of streaming it.
I do hope we get another cycle of excellent music in a few years, I'm keeping an eye out for the green shoots of recovery. Something tells me that if it comes it'll be part of a return to optimism, because if you look at where the great rock music came out it was when the West had its confidence. The hair rock of the 80s when the west was super-confident, the return of confidence to Britain in the 90s, the 00s perhaps less so but still a more optimistic time than we see today. Perhaps the failure of the 10s to really get going was because post financial-crisis the West had lost its confidence, it lacked the bombast necessarily to make rock. With the US and UK heading back to greatness perhaps we'll see that return. Or maybe rock really is dead.
Can you elaborate on that?
I don't like his style. But technically, harmonically and vocally he's super good.
For example I can agree that JJ (Kaleo) has more drive and is much more old-school-rock-n-roll, but the quality of Sheeran stuff is simply better.
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End of 2019 I saw Iron Maiden again and TOOL for the first time. I'm no virtuoso but I know their music enough to know they were 100% playing live, killing it, and at other times struggling like anyone playing music does. I heard Dave Murray completely lose his timing on a song Maiden rarely has played (I think clansman?) and then walk over to a monitor to look at some sheet music to get back on time and in harmony.
Rock isn't dead you just gotta find the signal in the noise, and convince your boss work trips are necessary where good bands are playing
Rock isn't dead you just gotta find the signal in the noise, and convince your boss work trips are necessary where good bands are playing
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hariseldon
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I mean he's fucking lift music. No energy. It's about as exciting as listening to Celine Dion. It's for bored housewives. It has all the dynamism and excitement of a duck fart.
deafmedal
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TOOL charted #1 off a limited edition $35-50 physical release and was in top 10's when their discography was released on digital/streaming platforms... after not releasing new material for 13 years. Then they proceeded to tour the new album to great success and creating a respectable demand for merch- seriously, the demand for tour posters is fucking insane with posters hitting ebay for 3-5+ times face value and having little difficulty selling (I sold two, one for 2.5 times face and one for 3 times face). TBF they have a very loyal fan base bordering on obsession.
A couple of other bands (RATM, MCR) who have been on hiatus, one of which who has not toured or released new material in over 20 years, announced arena tours that sold boatloads of expensive tix in minutes. People still want rock, it's just not 'cool' like it used to be. It may never be again and that's fine but dead it's not.
A couple of other bands (RATM, MCR) who have been on hiatus, one of which who has not toured or released new material in over 20 years, announced arena tours that sold boatloads of expensive tix in minutes. People still want rock, it's just not 'cool' like it used to be. It may never be again and that's fine but dead it's not.
Ah. Ok. But drive is not popular right now.
It's seasonal.
And last time I've checked Ed is pretty popular amongst hot girls. No housewives.
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hariseldon
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Trust me, inside they're housewives. And you're right, drive is not popular right now, as I pointed out in my post. We need drive back.Ah. Ok. But drive is not popular right now.
It's seasonal.
And last time I've checked Ed is pretty popular amongst hot girls. No housewives.