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[Bo_Hazem]

if ps5 is 13 TFlops rdna 1 vs xbsex 12 TFlops rdna 2 would this be a visible performance difference?

I can't say so, I assumed empty Radeon VII die fully customized and the idea got debunked, people saying RDNA1 cannot support more than 40 CU. So it might end up being RDNA2, and the 13-13.3 is just a headroom for devs to work around and the retail console is 12-ish.
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OsirisBlack glad to see you laughing, mate. It saddens me that some use attacks and insults against you and other leakers instead of normal debating, especially the other side isn't standing on solid grounds and only using assumptions and so-called "commonsense". Well, attacks are not cool for anyone around here. Greetings to all of you.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Save to say both PS5 and SeX will be around the same price.

I think what's more volatile is what Lockhart will cost assuming it's a true system at the estimated 4-6tf amount.

Sex -$100, -$150, $-200? Etc

 

[Physiognomonics]

11.6/12.4 never changed numbers and those are gdk not retail units. Yes I did say the PSV gdk was loud and hot and it was. Newer one is not pretty simple actually. I still stand on those original numbers as I said I will die on this hill. I would like to know who said the XseX was finished and in form factor and out in certain peoples homes before i did. That's not just a toss shit at the wall statement. Also about the day drinking who says we didn't go out to eat? I mean I did send a Mod verification as to exactly where I was before I posted anything about it. Its fine though keep beating that drum. You keep hating and I will keep on day drinking at Bar Le Lab. Also don't twist my words I said that the newer gdk is slightly ahead and it is if you ask my opinion I still think the PSV will release with a higher overall TF and performance number than the XseX. Nothing has changed they were BOTH targeting 13TF as stated before so I don't even know why people keep saying 9. This gets funnier as time goes by though ..... Osiris "New game runs at 4k 90fps locked" few days later Microsoft "Were supporting 4k and up to 120fps." Yep you're right I have no idea or clue and the pictures (multiple) I sent the mods don't mean anything. /s

What do you mean ?

 

[Insane Metal]

0 chance its $599. Ask MS how well the One X is selling at $499.

I'm thinking it will be. For the plebs there'll Be Lockhart.

 

[NeroDaGod]

Knock off your "insider crusade" if you want to continue posting in this thread.

Every single contribution that you have made in here so far has been done to antagonize and troll.

You are a really patient and fair Mod and do a much better job than I would have, I would have banned half the posters in here by now lmao

 

[IkarugaDE]

Nah, XSX will cost 799$ while Lockhart will cost 499$. The 13.8 TF, with super fast SSD and HBM memory ps5 will be 399$.

Do you know what durian is? Reminds me on it while reading your stuff.

 

[Fake]

Save to say both PS5 and SeX will be around the same pric

Only if they're pretty close.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Why hasn't AMD talked about RDNA 1.5 then?

Because they got five kids to feed? MS and Sony can essentially customise RDNA to their advantage while not using the full fledged RDNA 2. Why would AMD want to start talking about a lower end version that's essentially retrofitted for the consoles needs, when they have flagship gpus around the corner that use rdna 2? Would be like self sabotage.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

We will all assume Colbert and the others like Klobrille dont chat like a bunch of bitches on Discord, when the way they leak info out there simultaneous to Klobrilles yapping on Twitter. They all went by what info MS had.. that PS5 will launch 2019, no Raytracing etc.
Penello is just a salesman. In fact, with how he has his boy toys wrapped around his finger on Era, he's quite the conman.

I don't know anything about discords or all the rest. That goes a little too deep for me. I just remember Albert on Era saying he thinks it'll be 8 to 9 in his opinion. Way before the github came out. And then that came out and people quoted him back saying how he could be right because of that. Nobody believed that before from him.

And I'll say. We must see a different era thread. I mean. It looks like it slants heavier to PS fans over there, like it does here. But maybe that's just me. And it's ok. I like being outnumbered!

Dammit. I like being outnumbered sounds like the title of a porn flick. Part 3 way better than part 2.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

11.6/12.4 never changed numbers and those are gdk not retail units. Yes I did say the PSV gdk was loud and hot and it was. Newer one is not pretty simple actually. I still stand on those original numbers as I said I will die on this hill. I would like to know who said the XseX was finished and in form factor and out in certain peoples homes before i did. That's not just a toss shit at the wall statement. Also about the day drinking who says we didn't go out to eat? I mean I did send a Mod verification as to exactly where I was before I posted anything about it. Its fine though keep beating that drum. You keep hating and I will keep on day drinking at Bar Le Lab. Also don't twist my words I said that the newer gdk is slightly ahead and it is if you ask my opinion I still think the PSV will release with a higher overall TF and performance number than the XseX. Nothing has changed they were BOTH targeting 13TF as stated before so I don't even know why people keep saying 9. This gets funnier as time goes by though ..... Osiris "New game runs at 4k 90fps locked" few days later Microsoft "Were supporting 4k and up to 120fps." Yep you're right I have no idea or clue and the pictures (multiple) I sent the mods don't mean anything. /s

So the 11.6/12.4 you've been claiming the past few months are now dev kits and not retail units?

when people are talking system tf guesses, people are talking about retail units not "guess the tf of the devkit".

I might have missed it. You claim they were targeting 13tf. Is this dev kit or retail?

 

[demigod]

Do you know what durian is? Reminds me on it while reading your stuff.

Don't mess with my fruit. Best F*cking fruit. It only stinks when you neglect it.

 

[silent head]

Pretty sure this was the first leak to mention 12 TFs.

 

[Jason28]

Can't create threads, please quote me: can i get banned for using custom ps3 themes (from web) ?

 

[IkarugaDE]

Don't mess with my fruit. Best F*cking fruit. It only stinks when you neglect it.

Good taste but stinks extremely. Was really funny to see these "don't bring up durian in the subway"-signs in Singapore.

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[splattered]

Ok so stupid question time again

Was just thinking... what if Sony DID have an 8tf or 9TF machine ready to go early on but found out what the competition was cooking so they freaked and reworked their machine to be 13tf?

Should we expect the machine to be $599 or even $699 so they can try and recover all the rework in the new console?

Maybe this is what originally happened and that's why they've stopped investing in major events and have been so quiet... trying to save money where they can and figure out how big and fat they can make the price tag on this thing so they don't eat an enormous loss before they even get to the official starting line.

Just a thought.

 

[Gudji]

Nah, XSX will cost 799$ while Lockhart will cost 499$. The 13.8 TF, with super fast SSD and HBM memory ps5 will be 399$.

If you say so lmao

 

[Gudji]

I'm thinking it will be. For the plebs there'll Be Lockhart.

BOM for XSX is between 460-520, it's going to be 499 with a loss or if they want to get bold 399 (not happening imo, that's a big loss).

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Where does it say in those black pages the Series X name?..... at work, trying to skim fast and don't see it

 

[sonomamashine]

Can't create threads, please quote me: can i get banned for using custom ps3 themes (from web) ?

Lol no.

 

[kbear]

So what has Osiris gotten right and what has he gotten wrong? A simple, straight-forward list if someone can post it.

 

[johnjohn]

Can't create threads, please quote me: can i get banned for using custom ps3 themes (from web) ?

That's illegal.

 

[Fulcizombie]

Every single contribution that you have made in here so far has been done to antagonize and troll.
[/QUOTE]
Oh piss off, you are allowing people to call others bitches and xbots but God forbid someone exposes these fake insiders , the ones who were insisting on stuff like a 4k drive on the pro and a February event for the ps5. I guess both forums are banking on bullshit to get some members and some traffic. As you can guess I don't give a shit if I am banned. I will justic back and watch laughing when the ps5 specs are revealed

 

[Zero909]

Wrong, I got gamepass for 1€ about 5 times now over the last two years.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

The PS5 has been trademarked in Japan today.

商標ウォッチ

特許庁から毎日公表される「公開公報（商標）」を、いち早く簡単に見られます。

chizai-watch.com

 

[M-V2]

Why Xbox fanboys still fighting in this thread?? Move on guys MS revealed the specs of Xbox SX stop trashing others for the sake of your own narrative?? Or are you afraid that the ps5 is more powerful or as powerful?? Lol

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Oh piss off, you are allowing people to call others bitches and xbots but God forbid someone exposes these fake insiders , the ones who were insisting on stuff like a 4k drive on the pro and a February event for the ps5. I guess both forums are banking on bullshit to get some members and some traffic. As you can guess I don't give a shit if I am banned. I will justic back and watch laughing when the ps5 specs are revealed

The persecution complex is strong in this poor fellow...

 

[IkarugaDE]

Oh piss off, you are allowing people to call others bitches and xbots but God forbid someone exposes these fake insiders , the ones who were insisting on stuff like a 4k drive on the pro and a February event for the ps5. I guess both forums are banking on bullshit to get some members and some traffic. As you can guess I don't give a shit if I am banned. I will justic back and watch laughing when the ps5 specs are revealed

Be a cat!
It loves it's box
even if it has 0 tflops.
No matter if MS or sony
Main thing it smells like a pony.

Spoiler

 

[Mod of War]

Oh piss off, you are allowing people to call others bitches and xbots but God forbid someone exposes these fake insiders , the ones who were insisting on stuff like a 4k drive on the pro and a February event for the ps5. I guess both forums are banking on bullshit to get some members and some traffic. As you can guess I don't give a shit if I am banned. I will justic back and watch laughing when the ps5 specs are revealed

You can't even get the quoting right in your spurge. You know nothing, you just assume.

Take a few weeks off.

Let's get this thread back on topic, and enough of the witch hunts and crusades for your favorite inanimate object.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Where does it say in those black pages the Series X name?..... at work, trying to skim fast and don't see it

Says it on top left. Xbox X.

 

[Syn Marnotrawny]

You are a really patient and fair Mod and do a much better job than I would have, I would have banned half the posters in here by now lmao

Lol. Such a fair mod he is, removing anything resembling criticism of playstation and leaving Sony fanboys to their own devices.

 

[XinTniX]

I still believe in 12.3 TFlops PS5 with 16GB HBM2 + 8 DDR4 (6 OS / 2 SSD Cache) and an Ultra-fast SSG-SSD (CPU-GPU) for U$499 with U$100 lost by unit.

- PS5 will be the showcase of Samsung's HBM2 memories.
- The ultra-fast SSD is necessary because CPU and GPU will stream data directly from it simultaneously.
- Sony can reduce the CPU clock because part of the load will be handled directly by GPU.
- HBM2 is expensive but has a huge advantage on space and energy consumption (which allowed Sony to push more on GPU clock), also has better performance.
- Less CUs, higher Clock, Sony's approach to getting a cheaper GPU with high teraflops count.

Just a dream! I'm not pretending to be a fake insider, please... it's just what I believe, I'm a man of faith!

----

Now let me back for what I was doing..

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Says it on top left. Xbox X.

Thanks. I remember reading a long time ago.

forgot about he X part. Might be a lucky placeholder kind of name where people just claim it as "Item X" but I don't remember anyone guessing MS' new system being Xbox X either.

 

[IkarugaDE]

You can't even get the quoting right in your spurge. You know nothing, you just assume.

Take a few weeks off.

Let's get this thread back on topic, and enough of the witch hunts and crusades for your favorite inanimate object.

You make a good work. I offer you a nice package with german chocolate and sauerkraut after Gamernyc78 messed it up anyway.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

So the 11.6/12.4 you've been claiming the past few months are now dev kits and not retail units?

when people are talking system tf guesses, people are talking about retail units not "guess the tf of the devkit".

I might have missed it. You claim they were targeting 13tf. Is this dev kit or retail?

i dont know much about Osiris but he is looked at as totally unreliable over at Era. I dont know why but there must be a reason.

 

[Moses85]

I still believe in 12.3 TFlops PS5 with 16GB HBM2 + 8 DDR4 (6 OS / 2 SSD Cache) and an Ultra-fast SSG-SSD (CPU-GPU) for U$499 with U$100 lost by unit.

- PS5 will be the showcase of Samsung's HBM2 memories.
- The ultra-fast SSD is necessary because CPU and GPU will stream data directly from it simultaneously.
- Sony can reduce the CPU clock because part of the load will be handled directly by GPU.
- HBM2 is expensive but has a huge advantage on space and energy consumption (which allowed Sony to push more on GPU clock), also has better performance.
- Less CUs, higher Clock, Sony's approach to getting a cheaper GPU with high teraflops count.

Just a dream! I'm not pretending to be a fake insider, please... it's just what I believe, I'm a man of faith!

You are a man of dreams, not faith

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Lol. Such a fair mod he is, removing anything resembling criticism of playstation and leaving Sony fanboys to their own devices.

Yeah, how dare a mod tries to put out the console wars fire!? Sacrilege!!

 

[demigod]

Lol. Such a fair mod he is, removing anything resembling criticism of playstation and leaving Sony fanboys to their own devices.

Says the guy that didn't even know PS3 had software bc.

 

[Mriverz]

With those numbers you looking at almost a G in total price. I hope people dont fall for that scam >.>. Even at 30$ its 720 total.

 

[mitchman]

OsirisBlack also said that devs were drunk at work. what a joke. Guys you are all being too gullible.

I'm a dev and I have a fridge in my office full of beer. And I do drink from it every now and then, and we do have friday beers etc. Nothing special about it and quite common.

 

[Mass Shift]

I don't see $599.99, good god that would be a disaster. It's essentially the price point that's been a meme for years, and while we all know what you're getting is worth that, it wouldn't make sense with regard to the bom.

I see $499.99 with a possible, slight chance of $449.99 depending on how aggressive they want to be. Anything less that this and you're in a realm of fairies and talking chipmunks.

Exactly, I really don't think people have been paying attention. MS is trying to make sure they check off all the boxes this time.

Power ✔
Value ✔
Price ✔

That won't be accomplished with a $599 price point. They'd take themselves right out of the game right from the jump all over again and repeat a generation breaking mistake.

$499 or $449, depending on just how competitive they want to get with Sony.

Project Scarlett Will Not Be Out Of Position On Power or Price

 

[DeepEnigma]

Thanks. I remember reading a long time ago.

forgot about he X part. Might be a lucky placeholder kind of name where people just claim it as "Item X" but I don't remember anyone guessing MS' new system being Xbox X either.

The Xbox One X had an X as well. In the beginning and the end.

 

[Mod of War]

Lol. Such a fair mod he is, removing anything resembling criticism of playstation and leaving Sony fanboys to their own devices.

Another persecution complex that knows nothing. Zero, zilch, nada.

The thread ban list is the longest of ANY thread on this forum, and there are more Sony fans than Xbox fans on it. I have deleted plenty of Sony fan troll posts, and quoted plenty as well.

Why don't you take off the green tinted glasses for 5 minutes, and read the nuance of the posts. There are plenty of Xbox fans in here doing light ribbing that go unactioned. It's how one carries themselves and the decorum of their posts.

 

[Aceofspades]

i dont know much about Osiris but he is looked at as totally unreliable over at Era. I dont know why but there must be a reason.

Era and Reason and/or logic shouldn't be said in the same sentence.

 

[welshrat]

I'm a dev and I have a fridge in my office full of beer. And I do drink from it every now and then, and we do have friday beers etc. Nothing special about it and quite common.

Yes me too. I have been a developer for over 20 years. Not gaming or anything but before stuff. Mobile, Web backends etc etc and multiple places I have worked we have had occasional blowout days where the afternoon is very unproductive due to a few beers. Quite normal

 

[farmerboy]

The PS5 has been trademarked in Japan today.

商標ウォッチ

特許庁から毎日公表される「公開公報（商標）」を、いち早く簡単に見られます。

chizai-watch.com

*Hype intensifies

 

[Koopatrol]

Alright boys, did some research. The first instance I could find of "Xbox X" in relation to next gen consoles was this on December 26, 2018:

The post in question was this meme (https://imgflip.com/i/2psdow):

Guys, this memer knew the name of the next Xbox all along. This is the true next gen leak you've all been waiting for.

 

[IkarugaDE]

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

For me the two biggest remaining unknowns are amount of RAM and cpu clock speeds. That's what I'm really hoping to know next

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

 

[Aryan Blazkowicz]

I will buy according to my current games library. Since backwards compatability is such a big deal next gen, I can't wait to continue through my PS4 backlog next gen. I'm sure most of the other 110mil+ PS4 owners feel the same way. Especially with the new SSD tech that will speed up load times etc.