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[Gavin Stevens]

What really matters is if the new console fits the description of a generational leap. If you multiply 1.84 times 7, you get 12.88TF. Sony would NOT launch with less than this due to the fact that a generational leap is defined as a minimal 7-10 time improvement in TFLOPs. If Sony couldn't produce a system with at least close to seven times the TFLOPS as the PS4, they would have simply waited another year. For Sony to utilize the chip from the Github leak would mean they would be utilizing an 8TF chip because a sustained 2000mhz frequency isn't going to be used. That's simply ridiculous. Instead of pushing a cheap where it's operating outside of it's most efficient zone, they would add CUs. To say otherwise is to call the engineers at Sony complete blathering idiots.

What defines a generational leap? Because to me it's a updated architecture and not solely power. That's why the Switch is a leap, even though it's not massively powerful. It can do stuff the PS4 and Xbox one can't, even.

 

[R600]

You are selling it as fact, but you know you have an unverified leak with a three characters string in there and have built a giant castle upon it. This could be a set of APU revisions, it could be taking some semi-custom enhancements Sony has contributed (think PS4's GPU semi custom enhancements) or yes it could be tied to PS5. You are selling it as proof on the basis that the reference to SIE is there and the data on the GPU are not fanboy badly written incoherent crap.

I am selling it as hard data that was deleted from Internet as soon as it leaked (AMD even pulled Github data from Google drives). So its official, it matches and fits with one another like a glove. I am 100% you will believe next junior gaf member that says PS5 will be 18TF before you trust this, but for objective folks which like hard data, this is as good as it gets.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

oh 16 now?

All I'll say, is that if it's 11ish PS5 to 12ish SX OR if it's 12ish SX to 13ish PS5, either way, it's a fart in the wind, and we all still win. I'm still more inclined to believe it's over 11/just under 12 for PS5, as first party are usually a bit more reliable than rando on the internet who keeps changing his mind but we shall see.

Regardless, either way, we all win, because that's so close it doesn't matter. Nothing even close to the PS4 and Xbox one days

Yes, we all know most people will see half tf as a big deal but it's really not, even if I can already see the "but when PS4 was half tf more powerfull then... " argument. It will be fun.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

The obsession of these XBox fanboys to see PS5 weaker than XSX is pathetic. They get an awesome box in Series X yet they only seem to care if it is more "powerful" than PS5. What's more pathetic is that XBox reps fuel these toxic party poopers.

The same can be said about the other side, even. So it's not just Xbox fans. There are people here who believe the PS5 is 9tf. There are people here who think it's upper end 13 and over.

BOTH these types of people are clueless, and are basing this off of tales from their arse and not understanding the basic way things work.

 

[R600]

Hasn't it been stated that Flute is not PS5?

No, by who?

OPN matches to Oberon OPN from Github leak.

PCI ID 13F9 matches to Oberon PCI ID.

Bus width (256bit) matches Github leak.

BL5 socket means its semi custom SOC not for PC or laptop.

Flute, Oberon and Prospero (confirmed PS5 dvekit) are all characters from Shakespears plays.

If anyone has logical explanation what it is, I would love to hear it.

 

[On Demand]

GitHub again????? WTF.

 

[tflopsmatter]

so what you are saying is that sony never released the PS4... because of course they wouldn't, because it wasn't 7-10 times as powerful as the PS3...

the Xbox One also never released because of the same reason.

also who the hell defines this? and by what metric?

the CPU performance alone should be close to that "generational" leap you mention.
if you take both the GPU and CPU enhancements we are well above 10x as powerful even on a 9.2TF system

You are absolutely wrong. The PS4 had 7.66 times the GPU power of the PS3. The RSX of the PS3 had 240 Gflops and the PS4 GPU had 1.84TFlops. So the PS4 was a true generational leap. Yes, it was a little on the weak side but it was a generational leap.

I can't believe there are people on here so desperate that they are willing to LIE to push the idea that the PS5 will only have a 8TF GPU.

 

[01011001]

Ok, so where is the concrete evidence that makes your conclusion objective and not a subjective or emotionally derived one?

the github leak is getting more and more additional evidence... that's just how it is.
the only way the Github leak is not the PS5 chip is if it turns out sony uses it for something unknown to us.

as long as that unknown purpose is not found it is the best data we have by far.

so that's what I believe the most in at this moment.
very simple.

 

[tflopsmatter]

No, by who?

OPN matches to Oberon OPN from Github leak.

PCI ID 13F9 matches to Oberon PCI ID.

Bus width (256bit) matches Github leak.

BL5 socket means its semi custom SOC not for PC or laptop.

Flute, Oberon and Prospero (confirmed PS5 dvekit) are all characters from Shakespears plays.

If anyone has logical explanation what it is, I would love to hear it.

I don't know what it is, but it's not the PS5 GPU. Obviously, the GPU of the PS5 didn't leak. There is no way they would launch with a gimped GPU.

Does Sony simply want to lose this console generation and give all their business to Microsoft?

They know that if the PS5 launched with the above specs they would be wasting a massive amount of money. They might as well close up shop.

 

[M.Night Shyamalan]

The same can be said about the other side, even. So it's not just Xbox fans. There are people here who believe the PS5 is 9tf. There are people here who think it's upper end 13 and over.

BOTH these types of people are clueless, and are basing this off of tales from their arse and not understanding the basic way things work.

Tommy Fisher Gavin Stevens believes you to be delusional.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

man will you be disappointed soon

Posts in order related to github leak for PS5. Klee's posts are bolded ones

Yes but nothing stops Klee to give us ranged values based on the specs he have (Tflops between 10.8 and 11.4 or between 11.1 and 11.8 for example)...

It could be as simple as his developer friend asking him not to share certain specifics.

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

I'm extremely humble. Nobody is as humble as I am. I'm just surprised Sony even bothered to mention the PS5 at CES. It really isn't the platform these companies use to announce console related stuff. So now we wait a full month for the next State of Play stream that reveals the thing I guess?

www.resetera.com

It could be as simple as his developer friend asking him not to share certain specifics.

Yes, that's probably the deal.

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

I'm extremely humble. Nobody is as humble as I am. I'm just surprised Sony even bothered to mention the PS5 at CES. It really isn't the platform these companies use to announce console related stuff. So now we wait a full month for the next State of Play stream that reveals the thing I guess?

www.resetera.com

Yes, that's probably the deal.

Yeah

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

If we go by how Sony giving news so far we should get info by march . First wired interview in Apr second in Oct maybe PS meeting in Feb or March wired interview again ?

www.resetera.com

Yeah

What do you think about this oberon github leak ? Old sony plans or something else ?

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

If we go by how Sony giving news so far we should get info by march . First wired interview in Apr second in Oct maybe PS meeting in Feb or March wired interview again ?

www.resetera.com

What do you think about this oberon github leak ? Old sony plans or something else ?

No idea.

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

If we go by how Sony giving news so far we should get info by march . First wired interview in Apr second in Oct maybe PS meeting in Feb or March wired interview again ?

www.resetera.com

No idea.

Well, can you confirm that what you know of specs do not match the GitHub Oberon leak?

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

If we go by how Sony giving news so far we should get info by march . First wired interview in Apr second in Oct maybe PS meeting in Feb or March wired interview again ?

www.resetera.com

Well, can you confirm that what you know of specs do not match the GitHub Oberon leak?

No. They do not match.

PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT

good enough

www.resetera.com

 

[tflopsmatter]

the github leak is getting more and more additional evidence... that's just how it is.
the only way the Github leak is not the PS5 chip is if it turns out sony uses it for something unknown to us.

as long as that unknown purpose is not found it is the best data we have by far.

so that's what I believe the most in at this moment.
very simple.

There is zero evidence that the PS5 GPU is included in the Github leak, period.

 

[01011001]

You are absolutely wrong. The PS4 had 7.66 times the GPU power of the PS3. The RSX of the PS3 had 240 Gflops and the PS4 GPU had 1.84TFlops. So the PS4 was a true generational leap. Yes, it was a little on the weak side but it was a generational leap.

I can't believe there are people on here so desperate that they are willing to LIE to push the idea that the PS5 will only have a 8TF GPU.

so generational leaps are only measured in GPU performance?

why exactly? because if you add the CPU performance to that this generational leap is not 7x

in fact both the PS4's and the Xbox One's CPUs are either barely more powerful or even less powerful than their predecessors.

only caring about GPU performance is weird to say the least.
and that imaginary 7 to 10 times figure is also something that is ridiculous going forward because this will most likely not be possible in the future

 

[Panajev2001a]

I am selling it as hard data that was deleted from Internet as soon as it leaked (AMD even pulled Github data from Google drives). So its official, it matches and fits with one another like a glove. I am 100% you will believe next junior gaf member that says PS5 will be 18TF before you trust this, but for objective folks which like hard data, this is as good as it gets.

Haha , sure. Except I will not believe what is not hard data (official source in clear and direct terms, even then with a small pinch of salt) or not coming from people I know personally and trust ...

Objective folks... some objective people who are not happy about the console manufacturer of their choice giving it a good shot, they need to rage on theories proving their competition is failing and having a much much worse offering.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Tommy Fisher Gavin Stevens believes you to be delusional.

I never said delusional. I said these people are quite clearly moving goalposts and twisting things so that their box is in the lead. Both sides.

So say it how it is, and stop trying to stir up some bullshit fanboy war just for kicks. It's pathetic.

 

[darkinstinct]

And what suggests it isnt? Your ass, github "leak" whom anyone can make?

You are confusing Github with Pastebin.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The same can be said about the other side, even. So it's not just Xbox fans. There are people here who believe the PS5 is 9tf. There are people here who think it's upper end 13 and over.

BOTH these types of people are clueless, and are basing this off of tales from their arse and not understanding the basic way things work.

Sure, but people thinking PS5 is 13 TFLOPS are not building up theories trying to prove XSX is weaker than it is and trying to cast F.U.D. that way. Which was that poster's point.

 

[jonnyp]

Nothing suggests that PS5 is on RDNA2 or 7N+. Absolutely nothing.

Why wouldn't it be if Series X is?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

The same can be said about the other side, even. So it's not just Xbox fans. There are people here who believe the PS5 is 9tf. There are people here who think it's upper end 13 and over.

BOTH these types of people are clueless, and are basing this off of tales from their arse and not understanding the basic way things work.

Yeah, but you, Xbox fans harassed Reiner, Klee especially when they said PS5 is more powerful. Because of you, Xbox fans, since that day, Reiner didn't want to provide anymore leaks and Klee asked for ban not long time ago. Thumbs up for Xbox fans.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Can we at least agree that while we will not get a 8-9TF PS5, we are not getting a 13-14TF one either.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Sure, but people thinking PS5 is 13 TFLOPS are not building up theories trying to prove XSX is weaker than it is and trying to cast F.U.D. that way. Which was that poster's point.

The Xbox specs are out there some what, we have a measurement stick to use there. To say otherwise for them would be even more stupid. So they can't really say such things.

 

[tflopsmatter]

What defines a generational leap? Because to me it's a updated architecture and not solely power. That's why the Switch is a leap, even though it's not massively powerful. It can do stuff the PS4 and Xbox one can't, even.

First of all, it is NOT delusional to think the PS5 can be 13TF or even plausibly up to 15TF. All it would require is a larger case and better cooling. I will admit that fifteen TF is not very likely, though.

A generational leap is defined by the TFs being at least 7 to 10 times the quantity of the previous generation. You cannot include architecture because we get an improved architecture EVERY SINGLE TIME we have a new console generation. For example, there is NO WAY the architectual improvement from the PS4 to the PS5 will be more significant than going from the RSX in the PS3 to the GPU in the PS4 that actually had unified shaders. If you want to judge console generations, you HAVE to go by Tflops.

As long as the system isn't horribly designed with an insanely low amount of RAM or an insanely low amount of bandwidth, TFLOPS are what will make games more photorealistic.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Yeah, but you Xbox fans harassed Reiner, Klee especially when they said PS5 is more powerful. Because of you, Xbox fans, since that day, Reiner didn't want to provide anymore leaks and Klee asked for ban not long time ago. Thumbs up for Xbox fans.

Because of ME? Don't lump me in with the idiots thanks.

 

[tflopsmatter]

Can we at least agree that while we will not get a 8-9TF PS5, we are not getting a 13-14TF one either.

I think we will get at least a 12TF GPU and most likely at least a 12.88TF GPU so sony can say that the PS5 is a true generational leap.

There is no reason why Sony can't launch with a thirteen or even fourteen TF GPU.

 

[SgtCaffran]

The same can be said about the other side, even. So it's not just Xbox fans. There are people here who believe the PS5 is 9tf. There are people here who think it's upper end 13 and over.

There is a difference.

Sony fans wishing the PS5 is more than 12TF are rooting for their own team and are seeing things from a positive standpoint.

Xbox fans wishing the PS5 is below 10TF are rooting AGAINST the other team and are seeing things from a pessimistic viewpoint.

Until we have proof both sides might be right but fact is that the latter group is making this thread a whole lot more annoying to follow.

So I would like to urge everyone again: think positively and root for your own box instead of fighting the other box.

 

[darkinstinct]

Why wouldn't it be if Series X is?

You have to ask Sony that. The most likely explanation is that Sony went with hardware that is available in late 2019 and Microsoft went with hardware that is available in late 2020, but Sony suffered a delay (RDNA was delayed by around six months, while RDNA2 is actually looking to come faster than expected). That 9.2 TF console would in late 2019 have been a top of the line thing. For $399 it would've flown of the shelfs.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

An 11.5tf PS5 machine with a faster HDD, possible better memory and RT would bridge them gap in performance and be on par with a 12tf machine.

So yes, they could. Tf are part of the picture, not the whole picture.

The 11.5 GPU could be better than the 12TF.
Depending how how fast it clock and other aspect without talking about the other parts .
So even with the GPU alone TF don't tell the full picture .

 

[Lone Wolf]

I think we will get at least a 12TF GPU and most likely at least a 12.88TF GPU so sony can say that the PS5 is a true generational leap.

There is no reason why Sony can't launch with a thirteen or even fourteen TF GPU.

So $800?

 

[01011001]

A generational leap is defined by the TFs being at least 7 to 10 times the quantity of the previous generation. You cannot include architecture because we get an improved architecture EVERY SINGLE TIME we have a new console generation.

who the fuck defined this as THE ONLY metric to judge generational leaps?

also who's telling Nintendo???


also again, you only go by gpu performance, which is ridiculously weird.

the new CPUs in these systems are Zen2 based... do you know the massive performance difference between these CPU cores and the Jaguar cores in the PS4?
the performance difference is absolutely ridiculous, it could be the biggest jump in CPU performance ever from one generation to the next tbh.

 

[darkinstinct]

There is a difference.

Sony fans wishing the PS5 is more than 12TF are rooting for their own team and are seeing things from a positive standpoint.

Xbox fans wishing the PS5 is below 10TF are rooting AGAINST the other team and are seeing things from a pessimistic viewpoint.

Until we have proof both sides might be right but fact is that the latter group is making this thread a whole lot more annoying to follow.

So I would like to urge everyone again: think positively and root for your own box instead of fighting the other box.

That's BS and you know it. For the longest time 10 TF were seen as highly likely for both consoles. Only when XSX was rumored to be 12 TF did the messaging change and Team Blue started to talk about 12+ TF. They only do it because it means Xbox is lower. It's not a positive standpoint, it's exactly the same.

 

[darkinstinct]

So $800?

No, we all know how it goes, Sony makes the best hardware and will be $100 cheaper. Because they can buy parts at so small prices when they sell 150 million of them against 50 million. Xbox has no chance, it's going to be less powerful and more expensive, just like this gen.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Because of ME? Don't lump me in with the idiots thanks.

Uh, your previous post was related to Xbox community in general. You're part of Xbox community. I've responded what Xbox community did to them. It's not your problem if your community have idiots, but they are part of that community in general.

 

[tflopsmatter]

I am selling it as hard data that was deleted from Internet as soon as it leaked (AMD even pulled Github data from Google drives). So its official, it matches and fits with one another like a glove. I am 100% you will believe next junior gaf member that says PS5 will be 18TF before you trust this, but for objective folks which like hard data, this is as good as it gets.

I believe Github was real but it did not contain information about the GPU of the PS5. The simple answer is that the GPU of the PS5 hasn't leaked. No one would say the GPU of the PS5 will be 18TF. That's simply stupid to bring up. I'd say the maximum is probably 15TF with 13TF being more likely. Sony isn't going to go under 12 though or they will not even have twice the TFLOPS of the XBox One X and they will need to hit 12.8TF to have seven times the TFs of the PS4 or this system won't be a true generational leap.

 

[xool]

6 months ago 12TF talk was only for crazies.. Sensible money was on 9-10TF. Source: this thread

 

[hemo memo]

Here is a crazy theory.. maybe we have AMD employees here trying to discredit the github leak?

 

[01011001]

I believe Github was real but it did not contain information about the GPU of the PS5. The simple answer is that the GPU of the PS5 hasn't leaked.

explain the backwards compatibility modes that GPU had that matched PS4 and PS4 pro CU numbers and clock speeds

the only way to explain this is to make up a different product which you have to invent.

meanwhile we know a PS5 is coming and we know this chip could really be a pretty good fit for a new console

 

[Lone Wolf]

who the fuck defined this as THE ONLY metric to judge generational leaps?

also who's telling Nintendo???


also again, you only go by gpu performance, which is ridiculously weird.

the new CPUs in these systems are Zen2 based... do you know the massive performance difference between these CPU cores and the Jaguar cores in the PS4?
the performance difference is absolutely ridiculous, it could be the biggest jump in CPU performance ever from one generation to the next tbh.

Yeah people are discounting all the new tech around the GPUs. Not to mention the RDNA improvements. A 6TF GPU in the next systems would still be a huge leap due to RDNA and everything else(GDDR6, SSD, Zen 2)

 

[R600]

You have to ask Sony that. The most likely explanation is that Sony went with hardware that is available in late 2019 and Microsoft went with hardware that is available in late 2020, but Sony suffered a delay (RDNA was delayed by around six months, while RDNA2 is actually looking to come faster than expected). That 9.2 TF console would in late 2019 have been a top of the line thing. For $399 it would've flown of the shelfs.

Its funny, because people are waving of 9.2TF Navi with RT and VRS, but I am reading posts on Resetera and Reddit during first Oberon leak (August) and people were hyped for these specs. Probably because 9.2TF Navi is a match for Radeon 7 and many would have taken Vega 56 back last year (GPU that gets dominated by 7.9TF 5700, I mean even Vega 64 gets spanked).

In any case, the disappointment is solely duo to XSX 12TF. If Xbox had 8-9TF, they wouldnt care one bit.

 

[LED Guy?]

man will you be disappointed soon

Bookmarked

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

You are absolutely wrong. The PS4 had 7.66 times the GPU power of the PS3. The RSX of the PS3 had 240 Gflops and the PS4 GPU had 1.84TFlops. So the PS4 was a true generational leap. Yes, it was a little on the weak side but it was a generational leap.

I can't believe there are people on here so desperate that they are willing to LIE to push the idea that the PS5 will only have a 8TF GPU.

Maybe not 8 tf, but 11 ish are more than enough, 8% more power won't change anything, at this point storage speed and CPU power are essential and PS4 wasn't a gen leap in those regards, how do you see it? The GPU isn't the only thing, design of games is the core of a generational leap at least as much as graphics.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Uh, your previous post was related to Xbox community in general. You're part of Xbox community. I've responded what Xbox community did to them.

Correction: I'm part of "the community". Xbox, PS5, switch and pc. I game on all and couldn't give a rats arse which is best when it comes down to it.

But this is all getting utterly mental in here. Common sense has gone long out the window for a lot of people, on all sides. Insults are being thrown around willy nilly for anything people don't agree on.

Im sorry if what you read from me isn't what you all want to hear. That doesn't make me wrong, just so you know. It also doesn't make me a fan boy. I've been one of the strongest campaigners to keep things level on both, which some people also see as Astro turfing, whatever the fuck that is.

So from what I can see, you've got people upset all over the shop and not a lot of actual hard FACTS from anybody other than Ms, and even those can be interpreted in several ways.

Just calm your tits people, this shits getting embarrassing.

 

[xool]

Here is a crazy theory.. maybe we have AMD employees here trying to discredit the github leak?

By pretending to be rapid fanboys in deep state of denial? yeah that works /s /jk

 

[IkarugaDE]

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[darkinstinct]

Bookmarked

I have so many of your posts bookmarked, I don't even know anymore which will be the one that I will show you.

 

[LED Guy?]

I have so many of your posts bookmarked, I don't even know anymore which will be the one that I will show you.

Good then

 

[darkinstinct]

I have a question for everyone who has dealt well with the XSX and smart delivery.
Am I correct that it allows you to play selected games on all available MS platforms alongside the XSX? If so, I do not really understand this move, because in my view, despite a possible performance advantage, this advantage could be equalized in the bottom line.

It's just the same thing they have done with One X, where you only download the One X assets if you have a One X. It basically means that in the future you will have one version of the game in the store and depending on if you play on One S, One X or Series X you download the assets that are required. Probably bundled with "fast start", so that you can start the game before you have downloaded it, same thing as on PS4 and Xbox One. Smart delivery really is just a marketing term to describe existing technologies, like Tesla's Autopilot.

 

[lynux3]

Hasn't it been stated that Flute is not PS5?

No one knows what Flute, Ariel or Oberon is, but those familiar with the timelines for these samples say the OPN suggests an imminent release of whatever product it belongs to. So if any of those APUs are PS5 that would mean Sony has been sitting on these qualification samples for over a year which doesn't make any sense. To me it sounds like Sony really was going to release PlayStation 5 in 2019, delayed it and moved onto whatever was next. I guess we'll be finding out sooner or later.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

6 months ago 12TF talk was only for crazies.. Sensible money was on 9-10TF. Source: this thread

Because 12tf is approaching the maximum threshold of what was realistically possible for the price and the hardware, without some cut backs and/or changes in how things are done, that's why. That hasn't changed just because the SX is at 12, it just means that they are hitting those limits of what is possible in this scenario, with decent heat output and yields, while hopefully maintaining an attractive price point (something we still don't know).

 

[Panajev2001a]

That's BS and you know it. For the longest time 10 TF were seen as highly likely for both consoles. Only when XSX was rumored to be 12 TF did the messaging change and Team Blue started to talk about 12+ TF. They only do it because it means Xbox is lower. It's not a positive standpoint, it's exactly the same.

No it is not, despite you trying to pretend it is the same. It would still paint a bad picture on that side because they would both be gloating and trying to spread F.U.D. on the competition.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Correction: I'm part of "the community". Xbox, PS5, switch and pc. I game on all and couldn't give a rats arse which is best when it comes down to it.

But this is all getting utterly mental in here. Common sense has gone long out the window for a lot of people, on all sides. Insults are being thrown around willy nilly for anything people don't agree on.

Im sorry if what you read from me isn't what you all want to hear. That doesn't make me wrong, just so you know. It also doesn't make me a fan boy. I've been one of the strongest campaigners to keep things level on both, which some people also see as Astro turfing, whatever the fuck that is.

So from what I can see, you've got people upset all over the shop and not a lot of actual hard FACTS from anybody other than Ms, and even those can be interpreted in several ways.

Just calm your tits people, this shits getting embarrassing.

It's embarrassing to harass someone, really. Don't talk to us about common sense.

Ok I'm just going to come out and say it.. I actually thought the mental gymnastics would take a little bit longer, but people in here are already straight up looking at the script for Saw and calling it a romance novel.

Good lord people. It's there in black and white (and green). All it means is your powerful PS5 will have a competitor that is powerful. It's ok. You will still get all the stuff you love, the world will still keep turning.

This is the best possible outcome for ALL of us and some of you are in here like you've just been told the world is ending next week but it's already run out of booze.

Party on, bitches x

Erm, I have never made it anything but crystal clear that I favour Xbox over PlayStation. But I Still post without bias and talk facts.

In sorry if my post offended you, but then, that says more about you, does it not? Who was you expecting to be upset right about now? Xbox or playstation fans?

So yes. YOUR PlayStation, because YOU, like several others in here, are currently in meltdown mode. I'm sorry you feel this way. Who exactly do you think would be upset right now? Xbox fans? Fans of both? No. So yes; you playstation fans.

My pre-orders haven't changed, my currently owned systems haven't changed. If anything, this just cements that even more.

Im so sorry today has been hard for you

Really, don't.