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Do you think China getting back to work earlier and spreading it's "resourcefulness" into Europe like it's doing, will cause political tension in the near future?
 
Setzer said:
We're going to be #1 in a few days. We have 6 times the population Italy does. But # of deaths no where near Italy #'s.
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Population density is more important, when it comes to spreading a virus. Check Italy and Spain in comparison. You are going to get shit on in cities, but your infection growth is worrying either way.
 
There is a sector that can not stop even 1 day and is the farm industry, crops need daily watch and are extensive on workfore. So if workers do not go to pick the vegetables, fruits just for one day the ripening process acelerates and spoils all the crop and there is no point of return after this....

Little you can do without food ...
 
Alebrije said:
There is a sector that can not stop even 1 day and is the farm industry, crops need daily watch and are extensive on workfore. So if workers do not go to pick the vegetables, fruits just for one day the ripening process acelerates and spoils all the crop and there is no point of return after this....

Little you can do without food ...
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Sakura said:
Because 8 to 16 million people AREN'T infected right now. That is why we are at 18k deaths. That is what I am saying, that we are not at millions of infections.
You are comparing it to the numbers that get the flu. Millions of people each month. What you are misunderstanding, is that there are already millions of people with the flu all the time. It doesn't go from 0 flu infections in October, to millions in a month. It goes from millions, to millions more. We talk about the flu season, but the flu season is when infections PEAK, not when the flu starts spreading. Corona didn't start from millions of infections in January (or where ever else you want to track it from), which is why it doesn't make any sense to say it should be at 8 to 16 million infections now.
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But there are people who theorize that the number of infected is magnitudes higher than it is now. Everyone and their mother is pretty much saying that we aren't testing enough and that the real numbers is much higher. How much is anyones guess. But I would rather it be a factor of 10 to 100, than a factor of .5 or 2.

As far as the flu, clearly they don't test every person to know how many are infected. No one I know has even gone to the doctor from the flu. Heck I had a cold or 2 this year and didn't go to the doctor. So they must use some sort models to calculate the numbers of infected from the flu. I guess we don't have the data to do that type of modeling yet, but it would be interesting to plug in the numbers we have to see what the potential of infected could be presently.

Basically if we have more hidden infections thats better overall, especially because it means we have a lot more immune people and soon to be immune. Now that doesn't change whats happening on the ground today, it doesn't clear Italy's hospitals, or bring back dead Spaniards. No country is ready for 500+ dead a day. a few thousand in a week. Even if 100 million were infected 2000 dying a day sucks balls.

We are at the beginning of a pandemic right now its shit everywhere.
 
Alebrije said:
There is a sector that can not stop even 1 day and is the farm industry, crops need daily watch and are extensive on workfore. So if workers do not go to pick the vegetables, fruits just for one day the ripening process acelerates and spoils all the crop and there is no point of return after this....

Little you can do without food ...
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A lot of farming is tractors and machines these days, there are only a few things you really need people for. Check out tractor/farming simulator sometime.
 
Halo is Dead said:
Holy fuck the death toll is already at 18K :messenger_fearful:
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I'm not a flu bro, but...

Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project - PMC

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza.
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Sakura said:
Come on now, unless a cure comes out tomorrow, that ain't happening.
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Easter is way to early.

But you can go to China right now and buy McD's take out. It will be sealed and signed off with the persons temp who prepared it, but you can buy McD's. Oh and also be prepared to scan your QR code from your phone where ever you go.

Life will go on.

Just gotta quick smocking, eat healthy, wear a mask, wash your hands, be an Otaku, and then realize that if you are under 60 you got a 1% chance of dying from Corona and .5% chance of winding up in an ICU on a breathing machine.
 
Zefah said:
I'm not a flu bro, but...

Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project - PMC

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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And that's just flu , imagine this if you leave it unchecked , millions on top of that we have no vaccin, so next winter it comes back , again millions , 60 - million is the estimated the Spanish flu costed and that was in a time we were less connected... perspective.
 
1013 Infected in QC
439 in Montreal

3 weddings that I have heard about that all took place in the last 7-10 days, stupid idiots.

67 in hospital, 31 in ICU, 4 deaths.

12 202 negative cases.

6.6% in hospital, 3% in ICU.

But 46% that go to hospital wind up in ICU. Low chance you get sick enough to knock you on your ass but if it does almost 1 in 2 chance you wind up on a breathing machine.
 
sinnergy said:
And that's just flu , imagine this if you leave it unchecked , millions on top of that we have no vaccin, so next winter it comes back , again millions , 60 - million is the estimated the Spanish flu costed and that was in a time we were less connected... perspective.
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We don't shut down the entire planet for the flu and no one bats an eye when 30,000 people die.
 
Maybe I'm naive, but I'm gonna call Trump's bluff on opening things back up prematurely. I don't think he or any president would have the balls to do it. It's political suicide. I think he's just talking shit.
 
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Phunkydiabetic said:
The Trump administration got rid of the "executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic" and failed to replace the people. This along with cdc budget cuts effectively eliminated the pandemic response team.
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I'll let PolitiFact do the speaking for me, but most of the claims being used against Trump are false with only a hint of truth to them. They're being used out of context to land cheap blows against him at a time where everyone should be coming together to tackle this problem.

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Fact-checking President Trump’s response to coronavirus

Democrats have criticized President Donald Trump’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic as disorganized and short-sighted.
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We seem to be at a point where the pessimists and the haters are diverging from everyone else interested in knowing when we can get back to life as we know it, or at least something close to it. If this virus is much more contagious than the flu, and data definitely suggests it is, then it means it's nowhere near as deadly as once thought and the numbers will eventually show that as testing ramps up. The US has overtaken South Korea in testing so it won't be long before we get a more comprehensive picture of how this virus is affecting the general population.

Don't confuse that to mean it's "just the flu, bro", to use popular nomenclature. Facts are important, the more data we collect the better position we'll be in to understand whether or not our leaders are making the right calls, if we're downplaying/overplaying what's happening, etc.

There's a probability this will force us to live life more carefully for the next 12-18 months+ until a vaccine gets to the masses and I think we can all agree that shutting down the economy for that duration would be disastrous. We need to adapt and get back to work until that time.
 
DragoonKain said:
Maybe I'm naive, but I'm gonna call Trump's bluff on opening things back up prematurely. I don't think he or any president would have the balls to do it. It's political suicide. I think he's just talking shit.
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As always, he's talking about the things he wants to do/wants to see happen. It's not all that often that these things come to pass.
 
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People need to start inovating because life is going to be different after this. Unless a magic bullet shows up we will have to live with COVID. Its deadlier than the flu but thousands die from the flu. If you aren't healthy a flu can cause sever complications too. 5 Kids died last week from the Flu.

So again not being its just the flu bro here. But if we go about our lives with a Flu that can kill you even if you are a child, welp we gonna have to go on and live with COVID.

That day isn't today of course. But back to the inovating. Companies are going to have to find ways to get people working and buying in ways that make people feel comfortable. Does that mean more online and delivery? probably. Could mean temp checks every time you go to work. Maybe a work doesn't accept people who take public transportation. Maybe someone comes up with some crazy idea like a delivery uber where they go out and buy things for high risk people and they become a billionaire.

Life has changed. Someone posted a crazy video of China in here. Scan QR code phone. Star bucks employee dressed in nearly full hasmat suite. Sign off on food with temp check noted. Sit 2 tables apart when you go to dinner. Temp check on the bus. All these things will become part of our lives until we got a vaccine for this thing.
 
eot said:
This is the third global outbreak of a coronavirus that attacks the lower respiratory tract this millennium, and airborne or partially airborne viruses are the only ones contagious enough to require this kind of response. China actually was to some extent prepared for this, as was Taiwan and a few other Asian countries, because SARS was a very serious thing for them and they wanted to react better the next time something like that happened.
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No China were not ready for the scale of the outbreak and used the same measures that other nations are using now, they had they the biggest knee jerk reaction of them all.

eot said:
Preparing means you have plans in place, not making them up on the spot like governments are now. Sure, there could've been other viruses to threaten a pandemic, in fact there were (Ebola, Zika, H1N1 etc.), and there will be others in the future, but this type of outbreak (highly infectious respiratory distress virus) is one that many people have been warning us about for a decade and a half, with the message being it was a matter of when, not if. What could we have done to prepare? How about having plans in place for how to rapidly scale up diagnostics (the virus tests being used right now are based on generic methods), also including taking people's temperature and case / contact tracking and targeted information like SK is doing. Furthermore, there should've been plans in place for how to meet the needs of PPE, both for health care workers and the public. Plans for how to coordinate a nation wide response as well, for example deployment of temporary hospitals.
Saying we couldn't have prepared is like saying the military can't prepare because they don't know when and where they'd be fighting. You plan for different outcomes, and you certainly plan for one of, if not the most likely outcome. Instead we had months of zero checks at airports, unenforced self-isolation, complete lack of testing resources, and in general a response that was improvised on the spot.
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I dunno tests were made quite quickly it's the availability of the tests that is the problem, pointing heat guns at people doesn't work because it could produce a false negative and then that person starts having a fever a few days later. Here in the UK it does seem that the Government are following through on a plan slowly. Test, isolate and they were taken to a isolation spot with contact tracing in Feb when the first cases of Corona were spotted. The UK has prepared the NHS by clearing all wards of non nonessential care, brought all time sensitive operations forward to free up ICU equipment, trained staff on ICU care, brought up hospital capacity in the private sector and has acquired all the ventilators from the military as well as tons of other measures including building a temporary hospital in London. Seems very planned and measured to me but the guy advising our PM is a Epidemiologist.

The UK gov has slowly been bringing in measures to halt the spread of the virus and we are on a total lock down now except key workers. This has all been done inside of 6 weeks of the first case been spotted in the UK.

As for other Countries I don't know but I can't criticise the UK's response so far it has been very planned, measured and calm and has evolved with the number of cases in the UK.
 
Things can be turned around once:
A) They see whether the hospital system can handle the current demand
B) They've verified the efficacy of social distancing in a back-to-work environment
C) They're able to quickly test people and isolate them if needed

Given the response in the US and how woefully under prepared and downplayed this whole thing has been, I don't see this happening within anything less than a month. We are are still seeing rapid exponential growth, and there is a 2 week lag for infections. Any discussion of restarting the economy by Easter is just wishful thinking and cheerleading for the stockmarket.
 
cryptoadam said:
People need to start inovating because life is going to be different after this. Unless a magic bullet shows up we will have to live with COVID. Its deadlier than the flu but thousands die from the flu. If you aren't healthy a flu can cause sever complications too. 5 Kids died last week from the Flu.

So again not being its just the flu bro here. But if we go about our lives with a Flu that can kill you even if you are a child, welp we gonna have to go on and live with COVID.

That day isn't today of course. But back to the inovating. Companies are going to have to find ways to get people working and buying in ways that make people feel comfortable. Does that mean more online and delivery? probably. Could mean temp checks every time you go to work. Maybe a work doesn't accept people who take public transportation. Maybe someone comes up with some crazy idea like a delivery uber where they go out and buy things for high risk people and they become a billionaire.

Life has changed. Someone posted a crazy video of China in here. Scan QR code phone. Star bucks employee dressed in nearly full hasmat suite. Sign off on food with temp check noted. Sit 2 tables apart when you go to dinner. Temp check on the bus. All these things will become part of our lives until we got a vaccine for this thing.
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I think we'll definitely see more work from home as a standard instead of something most employers discourage. Teams/Slack gonna go b A N a N A S
 
Alebrije said:
There is a sector that can not stop even 1 day and is the farm industry, crops need daily watch and are extensive on workfore. So if workers do not go to pick the vegetables, fruits just for one day the ripening process acelerates and spoils all the crop and there is no point of return after this....

Little you can do without food ...
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I'll just say I haven't stopped milking cows. The crops are still going in come good weather.

The letter came around saying to not even be in the same room as the milk truck driver. The milk truck comes every second day. These fellow travel around to different farms. The paranoia is now telling me to sanitize the whole milk house after their visit.
 
I just had an idea of best business opportunity in current days.

Toilet paper with pressed in corona vaccine.

A trillion dollar business idea!
 
Hotspurr said:
Things can be turned around once:
A) They see whether the hospital system can handle the current demand
B) They've verified the efficacy of social distancing in a back-to-work environment
C) They're able to quickly test people and isolate them if needed

Given the response in the US and how woefully under prepared and downplayed this whole thing has been, I don't see this happening within anything less than a month. We are are still seeing rapid exponential growth, and there is a 2 week lag for infections. Any discussion of restarting the economy by Easter is just wishful thinking and cheerleading for the stockmarket.
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I do think "people" as a whole can normalize to anything given time and motivation.. people are tired of being cooped up already and it's been like a week. 2-3 more weeks? People will be begging to go out and do anything I bet, sickness be damned.

I mean, we were sounding the alarm in this very thread when we were seeing 60-70-80 dead per day in China.. now look, we're over 2,000 dead worldwide.. TODAY.. and it's mostly business as usual.
 
I got a letter from my work today assuring me we won't shut down under any circumstances because we are "essential". I'm personally glad for it. I'm grateful to have a job when so many others currently do not.
 
Hotspurr said:
Things can be turned around once:
A) They see whether the hospital system can handle the current demand
B) They've verified the efficacy of social distancing in a back-to-work environment
C) They're able to quickly test people and isolate them if needed

Given the response in the US and how woefully under prepared and downplayed this whole thing has been, I don't see this happening within anything less than a month. We are are still seeing rapid exponential growth, and there is a 2 week lag for infections. Any discussion of restarting the economy by Easter is just wishful thinking and cheerleading for the stockmarket.
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That actually makes the most sense. I think its just more of Trump bluster and bravado. Hey will get back to work stop tanking the stock market and people stop buying guns and toilet paper.

I really don't see Trump after Easter going to everyones house and forcing them back to flipping burgers at gun point. And if a state wants to remain under lockdown I don't see how he can stop them. Its possible he can stop federal funding, but that was going to dry up at some point. No matter how bad you think Trump bungled it, its un resonable to expect 1500 Trump buxxxs until March 2021 for the entire population of the US.

Lets keep in mind that it is possible for the US to get certain parts under control while others are on fire. Wyoming or South Dakota could be a lot safer than NY or Cali.

But 2 weeks is way to optimistic at this point.
 
Zefah said:
I'm not a flu bro, but...

Global mortality associated with seasonal influenza epidemics: New burden estimates and predictors from the GLaMOR Project - PMC

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Lets not go there .
I posted yesterday a video about how 21million phone accounts got deleted in the last 30 days in china.

Watch the video.
Even if 10 percent is true this virus already killed more than 1 million.

Iran alone has to have 10's of thousands of death.
Their copy and paste numbers are a joke and they should be disqualified from the race. Bad joke but its the sad reality.

And we are worldwide in week 5 or so and china is 4 months in.
Long way to go till december.
 
Jtibh said:
Iran alone has to have 10's of thousands of death.
Their copy and paste numbers are a joke and they should be disqualified from the race. Bad joke but its the sad reality.
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Who ever been copy and pasting over there has been a bit slack LOL. But ya Iran should be ignored as far as reporting goes because they probably only have a keyboard with 3 or 4 keys on it so the number always come out the same LOL.
 
Jtibh said:
Lets not go there .
I posted yesterday a video about how 21million phone accounts got deleted in the last 30 days in china.

Watch the video.
Even if 10 percent is true this virus already killed more than 1 million.

Iran alone has to have 10's of thousands of death.
Their copy and paste numbers are a joke and they should be disqualified from the race. Bad joke but its the sad reality.

And we are worldwide in week 5 or so and china is 4 months in.
Long way to go till december.
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I'm not buying the CCP's official numbers, but I think even they would have trouble covering up tens of millions of deaths.

Is it not more likely that those phones were just deactivated as a result of no one being able to work? Assuming that information is even true (no idea how to verify it), it doesn't necessarily mean that each phone (or even most of them) were actually used by human beings.

It's not like a person's mobile phone service account is deactivated automatically if they die. Or at least, that's not how it works in most of the world. I don't know about China.

Seems like a crazy conspiracy to me, and I'm in the camp that firmly suspects China is wildly underreporting and covering up the extent of the damage they sustained.
 
If a surveillance state uses your phone to track your every move, and you want to escape and get away from a run away pandemic what do you do?

Ditch your phone.
 
Zefah said:
I'm not buying the CCP's official numbers, but I think even they would have trouble covering up tens of millions of deaths.

Is it not more likely that those phones were just deactivated as a result of no one being able to work? Assuming that information is even true (no idea how to verify it), it doesn't necessarily mean that each phone (or even most of them) were actually used by human beings.

It's not like a person's mobile phone service account is deactivated automatically if they die. Or at least, that's not how it works in most of the world. I don't know about China.

Seems like a crazy conspiracy to me, and I'm in the camp that firmly suspects China is wildly underreporting and covering up the extent of the damage they sustained.
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cryptoadam said:
People need to start inovating because life is going to be different after this. Unless a magic bullet shows up we will have to live with COVID. Its deadlier than the flu but thousands die from the flu. If you aren't healthy a flu can cause sever complications too. 5 Kids died last week from the Flu.

So again not being its just the flu bro here. But if we go about our lives with a Flu that can kill you even if you are a child, welp we gonna have to go on and live with COVID.

That day isn't today of course. But back to the inovating. Companies are going to have to find ways to get people working and buying in ways that make people feel comfortable. Does that mean more online and delivery? probably. Could mean temp checks every time you go to work. Maybe a work doesn't accept people who take public transportation. Maybe someone comes up with some crazy idea like a delivery uber where they go out and buy things for high risk people and they become a billionaire.

Life has changed. Someone posted a crazy video of China in here. Scan QR code phone. Star bucks employee dressed in nearly full hasmat suite. Sign off on food with temp check noted. Sit 2 tables apart when you go to dinner. Temp check on the bus. All these things will become part of our lives until we got a vaccine for this thing.
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Fuck that man, that's not living. I'd rather die from the virus then live like that.
 
cryptoadam said:
If a surveillance state uses your phone to track your every move, and you want to escape and get away from a run away pandemic what do you do?

Ditch your phone.
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Thats highly likely.
At the same time your phone is your lifeline more so in china than anywhere else in the world
 
cryptoadam said:
That actually makes the most sense. I think its just more of Trump bluster and bravado. Hey will get back to work stop tanking the stock market and people stop buying guns and toilet paper.

I really don't see Trump after Easter going to everyones house and forcing them back to flipping burgers at gun point. And if a state wants to remain under lockdown I don't see how he can stop them. Its possible he can stop federal funding, but that was going to dry up at some point. No matter how bad you think Trump bungled it, its un resonable to expect 1500 Trump buxxxs until March 2021 for the entire population of the US.

Lets keep in mind that it is possible for the US to get certain parts under control while others are on fire. Wyoming or South Dakota could be a lot safer than NY or Cali.

But 2 weeks is way to optimistic at this point.
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My main problem is the messaging. Believe it or not, there are people who trust what the government tells them and who strongly support their presidents, enough that they will listen to what vague things they have to say and end up accidentally killing themselves. The messaging in a time of distress is very important because people will do crazy things. It's bad enough a large segment of the population never had the opportunity to get a proper education, now they are stressed and being fed incomplete and ambiguous information, and using that information to make poor decisions. Just the fact that Dr. Fauci, who actually looks to be a decent human being, has constantly had to fight with the orange oaf over messaging, to the point where in a recent interview he blatantly said that it's like helplessly dealing with an unruly child. I'll give our beloved orangutan points for closing the border with China earlier than most other nations, though.

The key to containing the virus is the right kind of messaging. If states are saying one thing, and the federal government is saying another, then you can be sure there are a lot of people who are in the middle or who think this whole virus thing is overblown and will go hang out with their buddies at spring break or still try to gather to have a party. Maybe they also won't bother with hand sanitizer, wiping down surfaces, washing their hands, etc...

Intuition doesn't help here. Past epidemics were different enough from this way that it could go either way. Some countries have temporarily dealt with the issue, but it doesn't mean you won't have a resurgence now, or perhaps the virus will come back even stronger in the fall. Messaging and controlling people behavior is key to all this. There won't be some silver bullet solution from experts or government, the solution will come from people taking this seriously and diligently observing any quarantine orders and health tips from experts.
 
Looks like things might soon kick off in Stockholm, Sweden. :messenger_loudly_crying:

The poor malnourished military has put up a field hospital in Stockholm (30 ICU), and a smaller one in Göteborg (20 ICU). Uppsala requested a field hospital as well but the military does not have the capacity from what it seems (in 1990 the military could deploy 35 field hospitals).
 
Phunkydiabetic said:
To be fair, Cuomo doing a shit job or not doesn't change the fact that Trump is doing a shit job. I wonder how well the U.S. would be handling this if Trump didn't eliminate the pandemic response team two years ago?
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What pandemic response team? You mean the NSC position that got consolidated with another position?

Stop falling for fake news.
 
Jtibh said:
Thats highly likely.
At the same time your phone is your lifeline more so in china than anywhere else in the world
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someone mentioned that many Chinese have burner phones, i.e. mulitple accounts.

And it being peoples life line is more reason to ditch it. Its the best way for the CCP to find you. So get rid of it. If people were fleeing Wuhan or other area's of China, if they don't want CCP to catch them and throw them into some quarantine or something ditch the phone so CCP can't track you down.

I don' think 21 million chinese died. I mean Italy is bad but 20 million italiens aren't going to die in the next 2 months. Did more people die than they say of course. Did the misclassify a bunch of deaths 100% for sure. If someone had COVID and high blood pressure I sure as hell bet the CCP would classify cause of death high blood pressure.
 
Jtibh said:
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Not gonna watch a 23 minute video to try to find out what you point you want to make. Please feel free to elaborate on what you mean and quote specific parts of that video and I'll check it out.
 
Did spain decline from yesterday?

Worldometers tracker is too complicated now with how they updated at all different times of the day. For now its showing decrease but I don't know if Spain is finished counting.
 
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