cryptoadam
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Deaths will lag from cases. As long as cases go down that means that in a week or 2 we will see deaths going down. People who caught this 2 or 3 weeks ago are dying from this now.
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Deaths will lag from cases. As long as cases go down that means that in a week or 2 we will see deaths going down. People who caught this 2 or 3 weeks ago are dying from this now.
holygeesus
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I actually wonder if it is what will force the government into more stringent lockdown protocols. They already floated the idea of banning outdoor exercise last week. I think France did something similar today?
rykomatsu
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Masks everywhere isn't reasonable - hoarders have already taken available stock and everything is going to front line folks (at least for now)
Temperature checkpoints, I think has a possibility of violating HIPAA compliance - a temperature check is a medical record
Contact tracing hasn't been demonstrated to be legally enforceable I don't think - there was a case in Houston that I posted about a while back in here
Only thing that remotely has a chance is forced quarantine (which in and of itself has ramifications stemming from the constitution - expect this to be challenged once services are starting to get back up and running)
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Deleted member 17706
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Models are only as good as their assumptions, and those assumptions are being disputed by people actually in the UK. Without knowing how the Seattle group formed their base assumptions, it's kind of hard to comment, honestly.
Taxexemption
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Using self checkout seems like a great way to spread the virus. ... They don't clean that between uses, or gas station handles/buttons. Or I guess you have gloves stockpiled and are the one guy I've seen walking around wal mart wearing them? Cause if you can't buy them or aren't using them have fun with the kung flu. This whole thing is a bad joke. You are getting the virus so stop worrying.
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Sakura
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It won't be perfect I'm sure, but they can hopefully do a good enough job to keep the spread of infections lower. I don't think anyone expects 0 cases a day, but 100 or something a day would be totally manageable if they could keep it stable.
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hariseldon
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The Guardian is not a serious newspaper and can be relied upon to spin bullshit.
Karma Jawa
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Because it doesn't meet their narrative.
'Enemy of the People' being a Daily Heil headline literally taken wholesale from Nazi propaganda. It's easier than having independent thought I guess.
Lots of people refusing to acknowledge that the British government messed it up, despite them clearly messing it up. The figures coming out now refer to 'hospital deaths' specifically. It's believed that it's already over 1k deaths a day in the UK when including deaths at homes and care homes.
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"It's believed."
Haha, no it's not. Only if it's actually recorded and stored somewhere. But to simply take a temperature and permit/deny access to certain locations is not a medical record. I'd laugh my ass off at the absurdity if anyone tried to cite HIPAA in such cases.
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Steve.1981
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Wait, what? It's believed to be over 1000 deaths a day in the UK?
Believed by who. Where do you get those numbers?
WhiskeyDiver
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So my Mother was taken to the ER from her Doctor's office yesterday with a low-grade fever, breathing trouble, and a cough. She has had it for a few days. They ran a battery of tests including coronavirus for obvious reasons.
I had bronchitis last week, but my fever broke after a few days along with the majority of my symptoms after a script of anti-viral medication and antibiotics just to be safe. I have felt find sans a light cough. Given that I have been around her recently and have given her a few hugs during that time, I went and got tested for coronavirus myself this morning just in case. As I am deemed an essential worker, I have been around people a lot.
I'm just hoping both tests are negative. My mother is on the cusp of 60, so shes in one of the higher risk and danger age brackets obviously. I'm 39, so while I'm not old, I'm not young either, and I smoke and have bronchial and asthma issues. I never felt myself or my family to be invincible or immune from the possibility of getting the virus, but with all the mask using, glove wearing, minimal outings to stores for food and supplies, significant reduction in cigarettes smoked, washing hands like I have a germ phobia, and hand sanitizer being used a lot, I didn't think I would be facing a house full of possibly infected family.
It's scary enough to see and know how serious and potentially deadly it is when reading about it online and watching news anchors relay news on TV channels. The possibility of me having it, and more importantly my immediate family contracting it...from me probably, makes it pretty much terrifying.
I had bronchitis last week, but my fever broke after a few days along with the majority of my symptoms after a script of anti-viral medication and antibiotics just to be safe. I have felt find sans a light cough. Given that I have been around her recently and have given her a few hugs during that time, I went and got tested for coronavirus myself this morning just in case. As I am deemed an essential worker, I have been around people a lot.
I'm just hoping both tests are negative. My mother is on the cusp of 60, so shes in one of the higher risk and danger age brackets obviously. I'm 39, so while I'm not old, I'm not young either, and I smoke and have bronchial and asthma issues. I never felt myself or my family to be invincible or immune from the possibility of getting the virus, but with all the mask using, glove wearing, minimal outings to stores for food and supplies, significant reduction in cigarettes smoked, washing hands like I have a germ phobia, and hand sanitizer being used a lot, I didn't think I would be facing a house full of possibly infected family.
It's scary enough to see and know how serious and potentially deadly it is when reading about it online and watching news anchors relay news on TV channels. The possibility of me having it, and more importantly my immediate family contracting it...from me probably, makes it pretty much terrifying.
rykomatsu
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Someone fails a temperature check, goes home and takes an anti-pyretic. How are you going to handle that?
Even the notion of taking an anti-pyretic breaks a temperature check.
Taxexemption
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What does temperature matter if you can spread asymptomatically? As far as I know most people have mild symptoms and spread before, and maybe even after those symptoms. This is all security theatre. It's a bad joke.
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Steve.1981
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Karma Jawa
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The Office of National Statistics said that figures at least up to 27th March were 70% lower than officially reported.
The Metro (run by Daily Mail Group, so even some of the more extreme Brits posting on here might acknowledge the source) are stating over 1k dead today.
HellforLeather
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Heres hoping for the best outcome for your family!
As far as you potentially spreading it to your family, you cant put that on yourself. There are many people who have caught it that took all the correct steps and followed all the guidelines so you have no way of knowing if you gave it to them or not.
Once people realize the temp checks are meaningless, then come the forced blood tests, microchips, and barcodes.
cryptoadam
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Is this true though? Will people be ok with "opening back up" if there is still <100 cases a day?
At least from some of what I have read there is a huge fear that the exponential growth will just come back even with 1 infected.
Just looking at US media and RETARDERA I cannot see how they would be comfortable with Trump opening back up with less than 100 cases a day.
I don't think thats a question that anyone has thought about. What number is low enough for us to stop quarantining the world?
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Are you referring to this?.
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics
Provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the latest weeks.
www.ons.gov.uk
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My Co-workers wife got it.
Was a good ride...looks like I'm fucked.
Was a good ride...looks like I'm fucked.
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Steve.1981
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Do you have a link? I'm on their site & can't find what you're referring to.
Edit: Yeah @Zefah I can find that quick enough.
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HellforLeather
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Well I think its partially because 100 new cases a day will never be a real number until there is mass herd immunity. You will never have just 100 new cases that dont spread anywhere.
iconmaster
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Along those lines, Fauci sees the curve flattening.
Dr. Anthony Fauci: There are 'good signs' in US battle against coronavirus, but we're far from 'claiming victory'
Drs. Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx say there are encouraging signs after weeks of mitigation, but stress the U.S. is far from a coronavirus victory.
www.usatoday.com
Karma Jawa
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It's also in the Telegraph, the Guardian, and the Daily Mail (who think it's as much as 80% higher but are by far the least reliable newspaper in Britain).
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What is your source? I don't care to go searching for interpretations in the media at this point.
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cryptoadam
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Which brings up the question what is the number? I guess no one really knows now.
BC a province in Canada has less than 30 cases now and their hospilizations are flat now. Could they be ok to go back to somewhat a normal life or does the entire province have to still be held hostage because a few people are still infected?
Clearly if we just lift everything those 30 people can explode to 1000's in short order. So it becomes a tough question to answer when can we go back to something somewhat normal (at least no lockdowns, going back to work).
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Steve.1981
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No sorry, I meant do you have a link to this info from the Office of National Statistics? When did they say figures were 70% lower than actual deaths?
I'm looking & I can't find this.
Karma Jawa
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Coronavirus linked to one in 20 deaths in England and Wales, ONS data shows
Figures also reveal number of fatalities related to virus by March 27 up to 70 per cent higher than announced at time
www.telegraph.co.uk
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Coronavirus linked to one in 20 deaths in England and Wales, ONS data shows
Figures also reveal number of fatalities related to virus by March 27 up to 70 per cent higher than announced at time
Wasn't hard to look into this.
March 27th update:
759 reported deaths (and it only looked at hospitalized deaths)
April 7th report on numbers up through March 27th:
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics
Provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the latest weeks.
www.ons.gov.uk
539 reported deaths (and it looked at the total, including those outside of hospital).
539 is 71% of 759, which means the initially reported deaths were higher than they actually turned out to be, not that the actual numbers were 70% higher than initially reported.
Am I missing something?
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HellforLeather
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I dont think its going to be a specific number at all. I think there are only 3 things that will lead back to normalcy:
-development of a therapy thats widely and easily accessible where you can sit out the virus at home and not need hospital care
-A vaccine is developed and becomes widely available
-viable herd immunity
People will go back to work because they have to but anything short of these things happening and I dont see how there can ever be any kind of return to what was normal life.
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Steve.1981
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Coronavirus linked to one in 20 deaths in England and Wales, ONS data shows
Figures also reveal number of fatalities related to virus by March 27 up to 70 per cent higher than announced at time
What the fuck is that article basing this on?! I can't read it because it's behind a paywall (or free trial).
I can't find this anywhere on the ONS website.
darkestdame
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I much prefer this over any outlets trying to cover their eyes and shield us from how serious this is or give false hope
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That's kind of the core of the issue, though. I imagine they would not have published an article if the Seattle group's model had showed fewer deaths than the Imperial College model.
They are so afraid of providing false hope, that they can publish only negative speculation, and doom and gloom. They are critical theorists and activists, after all.
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cryptoadam
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When I say normal I mean normal as in you can go to work and go in public. I don't mean going to sports games or things like that. Even having reduced capacity at restaurants and in malls would still be "normal" to me.
Basically a more reduced version of the lockdown.
I don't think things will ever be "normal" for a long while. But there must be a number that will allow a little bit of normalcy. Schools opening back up, non-essential jobs opening back up. If a country has 350 million people but 20 cases a day, should all those 350 million be held hostage because of that?
I don't know the answer. I know I am not going to a staidum or sports match for a long long time personally.
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Steve.1981
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Holy shit, is this it? If so, that's fucking irresponsible from any newspapers running that story.
DeepEnigma
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I won't accept the mark.
I'm working at a care home in B.C. and we're still seeing deaths and illnesses and new positives from both residents and staff. I personally haven't noticed any ease up, though of course this is anecdotal. To me, it feels like we're at the very, very beginning.
Again, just my opinion... completely non-scientific... but I doubt BC has even 5% herd immunity.
cryptoadam
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We gotta do what we gotta do. We are the epicenter of Canada.
Karma Jawa
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Yes, it's the difference between the figures released by the government, and the recorded daily deaths by the NHS and the ONS (section 2, Figure 1).
They state that this is due to delays in confirming fatalities by the government. It's nothing sinister, it's that they're always playing catch-up. So actual daily deaths are much higher than the daily reported deaths.
Captain Zyrain
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Fuck you, keeping mine!
I expect to see this more and more.
I expect to see this more and more.
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The evidence you're using to make this argument is showing the opposite, though?
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Steve.1981
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That's not what those links say.
I'm starting to wonder if you're being irresponsible now.
This is bullshit fake news. CA is sending surplus medical equipment to states who need it. Media WANTS a civil war now to oust Trump now that this virus isn't doing it.
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Washington state is also sending out unnecessary ventilators and probably other equipment to states that need it more.
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Collz69
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Family member is a nurse (UK), had a telephone consultation yesterday with a patient displaying all the symptoms including raging fever, she told him to self isolate, he said he can't because he's a taxi driver and has contracts to take kids to schools!
All the lockdowns in the world are useless while this shit is happening!
All the lockdowns in the world are useless while this shit is happening!
Yup CA sent out 500 ventilators. They don't need it because the numbers are way lower than the apocalyptic models were saying.
GHG
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Wait, are schools not shut in the UK?
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