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Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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DragoonKain
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So brutal
MichaelRR1989
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The Case Against China
DeepEnigma
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Cybrwzrd
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We Never Needed to Flatten the Curve
The purported rationale for the shutdowns that have crushed our economy and devastated the lives of tens of millions of Americans is the need to “flatten the curve.” We have all seen di…www.powerlineblog.com
That article is basically saying evacuating from a hurricane is a bad idea because the last one missed your home due to a last minute wobble (even though it wrecked the smaller city up the beach).
It is faulty logic.
For fucks sake, don't bitch that the worst case scenario didn't occur. The actions taken prevented the spread nationwide.
HellforLeather
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Remember wayyyy back when in this thread when someone said that there would be people bitching about the response because "they didnt even die"?
Well I at least thought we would be past COVID by the time we started seeing this but, here we are.
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12Goblins
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We Never Needed to Flatten the Curve
The purported rationale for the shutdowns that have crushed our economy and devastated the lives of tens of millions of Americans is the need to “flatten the curve.” We have all seen di…
I can read this article and conclude only that it's readers have a very poor understanding of what is going on
Alebrije
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Nice
Nice but you could get Corona few days after test so the result would be useless unless you kept the social distancing and isolation...
Good news anyway.
Nice but you could get Corona few days after test so the result would be useless unless you kept the social distancing and isolation...
Good news anyway.
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cryptoadam
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cryptoadam
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Sweden is fine.
Swedish coronavirus model under fire as deaths rise
Sweden's softer approach to containing the new coronavirus was already an outlier in Europe and is coming under even more scrutiny as death rates leap ahead of its Nordic neighbours. As of Wednesday, a total of 1,203 people had died from nearly 12,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 -- a far higher...news.yahoo.com
I am not going to support their lack of social distancing, but their CFR really isn't that far off when you look at Italy/UK/Spain and Netherlends and Belgium have a CFR just as high if not higher (and I guess they are considered nordic countries?)
Again not supporting their decision, but its not like they are some outlier way worse than other places. 10% CFR is starting to become very common.
Captain Zyrain
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It really is sad, and so, so predictable. A lot of us said this was a non-winnable situation since if things DON'T go bad, they overreacted, and if they DO go bad, they fucked up and underreacted. There is absolutely no way to win.
BUT.. having people NOT dying in droves seems like a win for me. The argument is, was hurting the economy worth it? I don't think that's something that can be answered now by anyone. If things NEVER get back to normal and we're in some sort of hellscape for the next 4-8 years due to this, then maybe no, it wasn't worth it. If things bounce back before the fall elections this year? Hell yeah, we made a great call. I'm guessing it'll be somewhere in-between, which will continue to muddy the water when thinking about the issue.
That being said, I still don't think "doing nothing" would have ever been an appropriate response.
I think time will tell, since the deaths are so laggy. If Sweden continues to have higher than normal death rates after the other countries have started to level off, we may be able to say "you fucked up".
China unleashes a pandemic crippling the planet and then...
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Jtibh
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Over here no schools will reopen for the year as in before september.
My point was with some dude being up ass that more and more places start opening up and too soon.
With that the virus will be reactivated that will result in a larger breakout.
I agree that this is the new norm but we should have a system in place so we dont fuck up again.
Jonsoncao
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How did coronavirus start and where did it come from? Was it really Wuhan’s animal market?
It’s likely Covid-19 originated in bats, scientists say. But did it then spread to pangolins and humans?
www.theguardian.com
Some circumstantial evidence...
Cybrwzrd
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The smart thing to do is keep a record of those who complain about things not having been as bad as they could have been, and the next time something similar happens we put the complainers in FEMA camps so they can be happy that they got their worst case scenario, and the rest of us can focus our energy on doing the right thing to keep the curve down. Win/win situation to me.
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Captain Zyrain
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I think through.. all of this.. and really, this whole decade.. I've become much more of a centrist. I really do try and see things from other perspectives, and don't think I'm right or even what I believe is infallible. I lean conservative 99 out of 100 times, but I've seen dumb shits on the right be wrong about just about everything too.
Was shutting things down a good idea? Yes. It clearly slowed the rate of new infections, in every country it's been used in (which is almost all, to some extent).
Do we need to get things up and running against as fast as safely possible? Absolutely.
I feel like everyone (on both sides) is playing politics with everything
cryptoadam
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PC time coming up.
Lets Go. Megatons baby.
Lets Go. Megatons baby.
cryptoadam
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Almost time for the daily press beating!
411MANIA | Donald Trump Names Vince McMahon, Dana White, Other Sports Heads to Advisory Board on Re-Opening Economy
Donald Trump is putting together an group to advise him on when to re-open the economy, and that group includes Vince McMahon and Dana White.
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Donald Trump is putting together an group to advise him on when to re-open the economy, and that group includes "the great" Vince McMahon and Dana White. CBS Sports reports that President Trump announced that he's putting together a group that includes (among people in other industries) McMahon, White and the heads of the NBA, Major League Baseball, NFL, PGA, LPGA, Major League Soccer and more.
Vinnie Mac gonna put Corona chan in a headlock and take it down for the count.
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The best part is that the #Resistance crowd is going to point to this as an example of interstate cooperation in the face of federal government failure just like they did when California sent ventilators to Michigan.
#CuomoForPresident #OrangeTurdManFail
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Captain Zyrain
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ILLEGALLY PROMOTING GMMMMMMMM!!!!
Joe T.
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cryptoadam
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How much stock does Trump own in GM!
Impeach the mother fucker.
Impeach the mother fucker.
DragoonKain
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This may be a dumb question, but is there any difference from Clorox and Lysol disinfecting wipes other than the name of the brand?
Meaning, do they both work the same?
Meaning, do they both work the same?
DeepEnigma
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They will both work fine. COVID is lipid based, and they will eat it right up. Vinegar will as well due to the acidity.
eot
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It's true that the deaths are higher than the other Nordic countries, but on the other hand they're lower than some other similar sized countries that are doing lockdowns. There are likely a ton of factors affecting the fatality rates that people are not accounting for. I know that in Sweden a lot of the deaths have been in poorer immigrant communities where people live in closer quarters, and are harder to reach with the social distancing recommendations. Norway, for example, doesn't have such areas to the same extent. Sweden is also counting all the deaths that occur in homes or nursing homes, not just hospitals. Maybe Norway did better initial contact tracing too.Sweden is fine.
Swedish coronavirus model under fire as deaths rise
Sweden's softer approach to containing the new coronavirus was already an outlier in Europe and is coming under even more scrutiny as death rates leap ahead of its Nordic neighbours. As of Wednesday, a total of 1,203 people had died from nearly 12,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 -- a far higher...
Anyway, there are some measures in place, just not as extreme as in say Spain and it's possible that deaths may have levelled out:
Number of COVID cases in ICU has been approximately flat for about a week as well.
For the record I haven't been supportive of Sweden's strategy, but I expected it to have backfired more.
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DeepEnigma
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wHy iZ yEr nAmE oN tHe cHeCkZ? DERP!
Because ART OF THE DEAL, that's why you clown ass waste of breath.
Why Pelosi use taxpayer dollars to make commemorative gold pens to sign her CCP funded coup? Same reason.
Because ART OF THE DEAL, that's why you clown ass waste of breath.
Why Pelosi use taxpayer dollars to make commemorative gold pens to sign her CCP funded coup? Same reason.
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Petey-o
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Obviously not. Just thought the contrast between those back to back posts was striking.
cryptoadam
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Holy Shit.
Wuhan lab story just got USA backing.
Wuhan lab story just got USA backing.
DeepEnigma
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First person I knew died today, feels wierd, was a hilarious former comedian, happy family guy, copied big brother in Sweden, and hosted alot of talk shows.
RIP, Adam Alsing.
Damn, Rest in Power.
Fushitsusha
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Captain Zyrain
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It's true that the deaths are higher than the other Nordic countries, but on the other hand they're lower than some other similar sized countries that are doing lockdowns. There are likely a ton of factors affecting the fatality rates that people are not accounting for. I know that in Sweden a lot of the deaths have been in poorer immigrant communities where people live in closer quarters, and are harder to reach with the social distancing recommendations. Norway, for example, doesn't have such areas to the same extent. Sweden is also counting all the deaths that occur in homes or nursing homes, not just hospitals. Maybe Norway did better initial contact tracing too.
Anyway, there are some measures in place, just not as extreme as in say Spain and it's possible that deaths may have levelled out:
Number of COVID cases in ICU has been approximately flat for about a week as well.
For the record I haven't been supportive of Sweden's strategy, but I expected it to have backfired more.
True, I wish we could have a parallel world to see how things would have been with lockdowns. Could it have been improved on, or would it end up the same? Inquiring minds want to know.
diffusionx
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It's funny, I also knew that the hysterical doom mongers would claim that this quarantine and handing unlimited power to governors would be the solution.
But I also remember that the models used to justify these policy choices predicted 6-10 times the number of cases, deaths, hospitalizations, etc., *with* social distancing and other measures in place. And remember, chances are COVID-19 was sweeping through NY and NJ at least throughout February.
So, yes, it was an overreaction, and I know this even before I take into account that we are headed towards a catastrophic economy with all that entails. I doubt George "Boomer" Dinwiddie, a "software development coach and consultant", will be facing the consequences of this, same with all the other blue checkmarks.
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Joe T.
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Easily the best part of today's briefing for me, credit to John Roberts for asking those two questions. Pompeo was asked about it a few mins ago on Fox News and while he didn't really move the ball forward he did keep pushing for more transparency and cooperation from China. "We're doing a full investigation."
Would be nice if this gave other countries around the world the courage to push for the same.
eot
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Tests / positive tests in NY - shows how the case numbers mostly depend on the level of testing
cryptoadam
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Be prepared for CNN and MSNBC articles about "right wing" conspiracy theories and conservative talking points.
nush
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Being able to shapeshift between Graham Norton and Newman must have been a great comedy act.
But seriously, RIP sorry for your loss.
diffusionx
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Tests / positive tests in NY - shows how the case numbers mostly depend on the level of testing
I've been saying it for a while, I think millions of people have had it in NY, NYC in particular I think this thing was here in February and went through the population, as things of this sort do.
It's a virus. It's a virus so goddamn weak half of people with it have no symptoms. Let's just move on with our lives already.
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Captain Zyrain
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Connecticut 197 deaths today? Yikes
Smiles and Cries
Smiles and Cries
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Deleted member 17706
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June 10th? Yeah... I really don't see people following that. Maybe I'll be surprised.
Jooxed
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I live in Virginia this is almost non news. Idiots still gathering and spreading and it will continue. This has not been enforced.
Smiles and Cries
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Connecticut 197 deaths today? Yikes
Connecticut sucks at this, the public here took this mess lightly
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