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[infinitys_7th]

You are confusing Chlorox or household bleach ( sodium hypochlorite - NaClO) with chlorine dioxide (ClO2) which when administered orally in small doses with water (on a drop by drop basis) is an effective killer of anaerobic bacteria, fungi, parasites and viruses through the process of selective oxidation and denaturing.

The key here is selective oxidation.

ClO2 is a respiratory irritant at very low concentrations - high concentrations will burn your skin and eyes. It is a disinfectant because it is a powerful indiscriminate oxidizer, meaning it will damage everything it contacts including healthy tissue. In water it breaks down organic material almost immediately.

 

[Romulus]

Im


Im saying they do these studies every week and they come up with different results everytime.

The study I posted (and ive seen others) concludes the virus can withstand up to 100'c, this of course depends on the humidity and other factors, but waiting for the sun to kill the virus is delusional and wishful thinking, it isnt going to fix anything because the 2nd wave will be much much harder.

We could already look if this is true or not, but unfortunately the warmer countries right now are the ones that barely test like Brazil, Mexico or Equador, if they did their work we would already know if heat could kill the virus or not.

Is Brazil and Mexico attempting social distancing or face masks? I can tell you for a fact Mexico isn't doing either to the extent the US. Of course their going to have high numbers but then again we don't even know them.

I watched the entire conference yesterday, Trump never said once that the summer would wipe out the virus, he said it could help.. I dont like the guy either but you're literally making an argument against something that didn't even happen.

 

[Djau]

Social distancing is all that can be done until we get the vaccine. There is no wonder cure.

 

[Romulus]

What are you talking about? The quarantine fanatics need to come to grips with with the fact that this thing IS going to go around. It is going around now. It cannot be stopped because it is a virus. The only way to stop a virus like the way the quarantine fanatics think is by literally trapping people in their homes, and waiting until they starve to death or shoot them if they try to escape. That is the only way. It's what some communities did during the Black Plague. You let people out and you run the risk of spreading it. That's just a fact. I've been saying this for a long time. If the standard is "nobody can ever get coronavirus" then we are going about it all wrong.

But that's not the standard. The lockdown was designed to slow down the virus, not stop it. The lockdown was meant to slow it down because we all thought our healthcare systems were going to collapse if we didn't slow it down, and would barely hang on even if we did. That's why Cuomo was talking about how many ventilators and hospital beds we needed, and why the government brought a battleship or whatever into New York. Note they said all that DURING THE LOCKDOWN, so it's not that "the lockdown saved us" like fanatics are saying.

Well it turns out none of that shit happened. We didn't need those ventilators, we didn't need the beds, and the battleship was empty most of the time. Turns out our system was more resilient than thought and this virus just isn't as deadly or dangerous as people thought it was. That's just how it is. In fact, it turns out millions of people had this thing when we were all living our regular lives. We can handle COVID-19 without getting ourselves into a bunker and destroying the economy and putting tens of millions of people out of work, just like we can handle many other illnesses and bugs. We don't need to do this.

Your point is our system can handle the virus without lockdown, but we've been in lockdown. What evidence is there without it?

 

[infinitys_7th]

Some more information on liquid breathing (particularly with perfluorocarbons):

Liquid Ventilation - PMC

Mammals have lungs to breathe air and they have no gills to breath liquids. When the surface tension at the air-liquid interface of the lung increases, as in acute lung injury, scientists started to think about filling the lung with fluid instead of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

In acute lung injury, liquid ventilation with PFC may improve the clinical picture by different mechanisms.

1. Improvement in oxygenation in acute lung injury.
In acute lung injury, collapse is mainly in the dependent regions of the lungs.17 Because PFCs are dense, they will gravitate to the dependent parts of the lungs.17,18 and this will re-open collapsed regions of lung, acting as liquid Positive End Expiratory Pressure (PEEP). Ventilation/perfusion relationships may also improve.19 Low-bias flow oscillation (LBFO) with partial liquid ventilation (PLV) is a practicable mode of ventilation in a model of acute lung injury and is associated with significant preservation of perflubron in comparison with high-frequency oscillatory ventilation-PLV. The lower evaporative losses during LBFO-PLV were associated with improved inflammatory cellular pattern.20

This could be beneficial to people whose lung tissue has been damaged by the autoimmune reaction COVID-19 causes.

2. Improvement in lung compliance

PLV is thought to improve lung compliance by eliminating the air-liquid interface. The exact pattern of distribution of PFCs in the alveoli during PLV is not yet known. Unlike surfactant, PFC has a constant surface tension. Giving more PFC will therefore not reduce the surface tension any more but it will progressively open up atelectatic alveoli by a PEEP-like effect and improve oxygenation.21 Some authors suggest using PFCs by vapor or aerosol and they can give same effect on lung compliance with less side effects.22-24

If you eliminate the phase change (from air to liquid in tissue) in the lungs, you could potentially be able to directly dose lung tissue with antivirals or other medication. This would be much faster than either the oral route or intravenous route.

Other people have the same idea as well:

The Current Status of Liquid Ventilation

Liquid ventilation can be used to deliver biologically active agents directly to the lungs and may reduce chronic lung disease.

www.rtmagazine.com

LV can be used to deliver biologically active agents directly to the lungs and may reduce chronic lung disease.

3. Anti-inflammatory effect

Studies on animals suggest that the use of PFC in liquid ventilation may reduce pulmonary inflammation and injury. Perflubron has been shown to decrease cytokine production (tumor necrosis factor [TNF] alpha, interleukin [IL] 1, IL 6, IL 8) and chemotaxis of activated human alveolar or circulating macrophages.11

This could be a masssive benefit too in preventing the honeycomb scar tissue from forming.

4. Alveolar and endobronchial lavage

There is also a lavage effect during liquid breathing that mobilises alveolar and bronchiolar exudates and debris to the trachea, where they can be removed by suctioning.14

Another benefit - liquid breathing can gently remove the material that builds up during the COVID-19 viral pneumonia.

Of course, I'm sure the equipment for doing the liquid breathing and the PFCs are not available in sufficient amounts for widespread treatment, but this is damn interesting. It hits every single part of needed treatment for the Kung Flu.

 

[ManaByte]

California stay-at-home faces its biggest test: A heat wave driving people to the beach

To fend off coronavirus, Los Angeles County has kept beaches closed. Most abide, but some stir-crazy surfers, Manhattan Beach locals and others are ready to get back to the ocean.

news.yahoo.com

 

[ManaByte]

 

[A.Romero]

Is Brazil and Mexico attempting social distancing or face masks? I can tell you for a fact Mexico isn't doing either to the extent the US. Of course their going to have high numbers but then again we don't even know them.

I watched the entire conference yesterday, Trump never said once that the summer would wipe out the virus, he said it could help.. I dont like the guy either but you're literally making an argument against something that didn't even happen.

Mexico has been pushing social distance for a few weeks now. Face masks were suggested but will become mandatory in the following days (even if you are in your car, which sounds stupid to me).

I live in the third largest city in Mexico which happens to be a few hours away from Texas. It seems that it hasn't hit us so hard so far but our country is not doing extensive testing.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

 

[Gp1]

Is Brazil and Mexico attempting social distancing or face masks?

Brazil is a federative republic with states not autonomous as in US, but in this case each State has the final word.

I believe the vast majority of the states are enforcing social distance (with closed business), every state is recommending social distance and mask usage, and some declared mandatory masks outside.

But we are not on lockdown per se.

ps: Brazil is testing way more than Mexico (test per M), but not as much as some of the smaler countries / more developed contries. But when you know a % death average you can infer the total number of cases even with case underreporting.

 

[Romulus]

Mexico has been pushing social distance for a few weeks now. Face masks were suggested but will become mandatory in the following days (even if you are in your car, which sounds stupid to me).

I live in the third largest city in Mexico which happens to be a few hours away from Texas. It seems that it hasn't hit us so hard so far but our country is not doing extensive testing.

Cities in Mexico are much different though. You know as well as I do people are making fun of this if anything. I live in McAllen and my brother lives in Reynosa. It's mostly a joke across the border up until very recently, which means alot probably have it. As you said though, testing sucks so we have no idea.

 

[A.Romero]

Cities in Mexico are much different though. You know as well as I do people are making fun of this if anything. I live in McAllen and my brother lives in Reynosa. It's mostly a joke across the border up until very recently, which means alot probably have it. As you said though, testing sucks so we have no idea.

I think there are several factors.

I live in Monterrey, the company I work for has been working 90% remotely since the third week of March. Before the Federal government started pushing for it. Right now they are delivering flyers noting that face masks are mandatory and in case of non compliance there could be fines and even imprisonment. Super markets are not allowing people to come in in groups and are controlling the amount of people that can be within the store premises at once. Movie theaters are closed since the last week of March I think...

I don't know... I think some States are handling it well. At least better than other countries in LATAM. However, as with any other countries, we know not everyone takes it seriously or is willing to comply. There was a 69% spike of cases announced yesterday. It's probably related to people ignoring warnings and going out for vacation a couple of weeks ago for Easter.

As with many other countries, we will know the true extent of the pandemic once overall death tolls are published and we can compare with previous years.

 

[Jonsoncao]

If he is using whatever retarded shit he was saying in that video to "solidate" more support from his base, what does that say about his base?!

IMHO all voices matter. It is partially why an electoral system was set up in the first place to prevent the "tyranny of the majority", Trump base is a niche market and as a result, their voices have been ignored for a long long time.

Among my scientists colleagues, many still hold the view that the Trump supporters are "deplorable", a president has to be scientific well-versed to be a good president, and they often quote Asimov:

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

which I concurred with back in 2016 but not anymore.

There must be aides and analysts in his campaign to analyze statistically what Trump said would boost his support (e.g., Cambridge analytica). Back in 2016 after "grab them by pussy", I thought Trump was done. However, the truth is, his base loves it, because it made Trump a more down-to-earth and an amiable character. For example, Trump labeled SARS-Cov-2 as "China virus" stirred a lot condemnations from my colleagues and did not sound presidential, yet I now see it as a strategically calculated move to solidate his base, as he is cruising toward the 2020 win.

The only downside about "disinfectant" accident is that I hope people would not be dumb enough to inject Lysol to themselves.

 

[Djau]

IMHO all voices matter. It is partially why an electoral system was set up in the first place to prevent the "tyranny of the majority", Trump base is a niche market and as a result, their voices have been ignored for a long long time.

Among my scientists colleagues, many still hold the view that the Trump supporters are "deplorable", a president has to be scientific well-versed to be a good president, and they often quote Asimov:

which I concurred with back in 2016 but not anymore.

There must be aides and analysts in his campaign to analyze statistically what Trump said would boost his support (e.g., Cambridge analytica). Back in 2016 after "grab them by pussy", I thought Trump was done. However, the truth is, his base loves it, because it made Trump a more down-to-earth and an amiable character. For example, Trump labeled SARS-Cov-2 as "China virus" stirred a lot condemnations from my colleagues and did not sound presidential, yet I now see it as a strategically calculated move to solidate his base, as he is cruising toward the 2020 win.

The only downside about "disinfectant" accident is that I hope people would not be dumb enough to inject Lysol to themselves.

It's not about being well-versed or not. Not everyone needs to know everything about anything. But don't push treatments that don't work or come from pseudoscience.

 

[JordanN]

The virus is reactivating in Chinese patients.

COVID-19 China: Recovered patients continue to test positive for virus, months after contraction

So far, there have been no confirmations of newly positive patients infecting others, according to Chinese health officials

nationalpost.com

This is what I've been saying for a while now. How do we know anyone is truly cured at this point, if they just test positive over and over?

 

[Night.Ninja]

Does anyone on here know any one who has tested positive or who has died from corona

 

[rykomatsu]

The virus is reactivating in Chinese patients.

COVID-19 China: Recovered patients continue to test positive for virus, months after contraction

So far, there have been no confirmations of newly positive patients infecting others, according to Chinese health officials

nationalpost.com

 

[Jooxed]

Does anyone on here know any one who has tested positive or who has died from corona

Yes, It is in 3 of our buildings now. I work in healthcare.

 

[JordanN]

Does anyone on here know any one who has tested positive or who has died from corona

I'm currently isolated because 2 people in my house have it (after contracting it from a nursing home).

 

[infinitys_7th]

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Does anyone on here know any one who has tested positive or who has died from corona

Negative. In So. Cal here.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

After spending some time in politics it's about par for the course.

"Spending some time in politics" he says as if he just occasionally peeks his head in.

You registered for this forum to post in Politics and that's where you spend the majority of your time. So fucking disingenuous.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

How horribly condescending to think that we are so fucking stupid that we need these oh so enlightened people to tell us not to eat bleach. And people STILL wonder how Trump got elected?

Were you around for the 2016 election (well, any election, but especially the last one)? The left is horribly condescending. True believers tend think everyone who does not agree with them are fucking morons who are brainwashed to vote against their own interests. It's peak hubris.

 

[JordanN]

The USA is now on track for 1 million cases. The first of any country.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Tell me where I am wrong instead of just reflexively derping about just the flu.

We don't need to talk about coming out of lockdown, we need to come out of lockdown. This lockdown isn't accomplishing shit. It's a waste of time, and destroying peoples' abilities to earn a living and feed their families.

Edit: this is what I mean. They sailed this big fucking boat into NYC thinking it would be a warzone. They brought it here *during the lockdown*. This thing just sat there, it wasn't needed. Big waste of money and hysteria over nothing. Many such cases!

USNS Comfort to leave New York City after spending three weeks mostly empty of patients

Gov. Andrew Cuomo discussed the USNS Comfort with President Donald Trump Tuesday. They agreed the ship can be sent elsewhere.

www.usatoday.com

I'm not going to blame anyone for the ship thing, personally. The projections from the models that leaders were looking at at the time made it look like they were going to be overwhelmed. Hindsight is 20/20. Waste of money, perhaps, but certainly better safe than sorry in this case.

 

[Schattenjäger]

i really think the silent majority is getting fed up with the leftist media's quest to twist Trump's words to make him look bad after every briefing. There will be a reckoning come November.

 

[holygeesus]

Does anyone on here know any one who has tested positive or who has died from corona

Yes. One case in my workplace so far, but we are in a sparsely populated town (UK) and only 87 employees in the building.

I'm not going to blame anyone for the ship thing, personally. The projections from the models that leaders were looking at at the time made it look like they were going to be overwhelmed. Hindsight is 20/20. Waste of money, perhaps, but certainly better safe than sorry in this case.

It always amuses me when people call for the end of lockdown, by complaining that emergency provisions weren't needed. That is because the lockdown is working and is necessary. 3000 people dying a day in America, but hey it sounds like a good time for everyone to get back to work.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Does anyone on here know any one who has tested positive or who has died from corona

Tested positive? Yes. Died? Not directly, but I have family/friends who have seen elderly family members die.

 

[Collz69]

Just visited our local shop, social distancing measures in place, the guy in front of me puts his bank card into the machine to pay, then puts his fingers into his mouth (I'm sure he didn't realise he was doing it) then entered his PIN number on the keypad!
It's no wonder the UK is doing so badly!

 

[Moogle11]

Tested positive? Yes. Died? Not directly, but I have family/friends who have seen elderly family members die.

Same here.

Mostly because the bulk of older family my wife and I have are very isolated in rural areas with few cases. But we have one friend and a couple acquaintances in the metro area where we live who've tested postive. Only mild symptoms (fever, cough) so far as they're younger and healthy.

 

[ManaByte]

If this happens expect violent resistance (at least in the US):

Op-Ed: Get ready for a new form of bias: discrimination based on coronavirus immunity

Once antibody tests for the coronavirus are broadly available, will we allow society to be divided into two groups — the immune and non-immune?

www.latimes.com

 

[The Scrivener]

How horribly condescending to think that we are so fucking stupid that we need these oh so enlightened people to tell us not to eat bleach. And people STILL wonder how Trump got elected?

I was reading my kid's comic The Beano the other day, and I was surprised at how much it mirrored our modern society and politics. The world is daft as fuck in exactly the way you described.

Also, I'm happy how much conspiracy talk is making its way into the mainstream. There hasn't been this much conspiracy talk on any other single page in this thread, I'm sure. This is bigger than 9/11, man.

 

[gamerMan]

This thread has really attracted the TDS sufferers and 50 cent gang. Gaf needs stronger borders.

According to a well known doctor and my uncle that went to MIT, we finally have found the cure to TDS: UV light and bleach. Research shows that the UV light ignites the bleach. It's like unleashing a "chemical bomb" inside the body that kills any living organism inside the body.

 

[diffusionx]

I'm not going to blame anyone for the ship thing, personally. The projections from the models that leaders were looking at at the time made it look like they were going to be overwhelmed. Hindsight is 20/20. Waste of money, perhaps, but certainly better safe than sorry in this case.

Sure, the point is that the hysteria and fear that accompanied the ship has not left. Nobody has re-evaluated based on new information. The ship was unnecessary, why is that.

Your point is our system can handle the virus without lockdown, but we've been in lockdown. What evidence is there without it?

February. There is no doubt COVID was here then.

Just visited our local shop, social distancing measures in place, the guy in front of me puts his bank card into the machine to pay, then puts his fingers into his mouth (I'm sure he didn't realise he was doing it) then entered his PIN number on the keypad!
It's no wonder the UK is doing so badly!

This is the sort of stuff as to why the lockdown as we are practicing it is such a joke, especially with this new social media driven standard of zero new cases are allowed. It is a new form of security theater.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Sure, the point is that the hysteria and fear that accompanied the ship has not left. Nobody has re-evaluated based on new information. The ship was unnecessary, why is that.\

February. There is no doubt COVID was here then.

This is the sort of stuff as to why the lockdown as we are practicing it is such a joke, especially with this new social media driven standard of zero new cases are allowed. It is a new form of security theater.

Well, I believe the argument is that the lockdowns prevented exponential growth, so we are just seeing the result of maybe a month or two's worth of unmitigated community spread, but if we didn't lock down, that would have continued to grow exponentially and the third and fourth months would have seen massive numbers of new cases.

With that said, Sweden's more measured... measures don't seem to be bringing about an exponential growth curve. I know it's not fair to compare a country like Sweden to the US, perhaps, but they're the only data point we have unfortunately.

 

[cryptoadam]

If this happens expect violent resistance (at least in the US):

Op-Ed: Get ready for a new form of bias: discrimination based on coronavirus immunity

Once antibody tests for the coronavirus are broadly available, will we allow society to be divided into two groups — the immune and non-immune?

www.latimes.com

Can I recycle my grandfathers yellow arm band? And will they start tattoing numbers on our wrist too?

 

[Jooxed]

I didn't see if this was posted but yay

Italy's Daily Coronavirus Recoveries Surpass New Cases for the First Time

Hospitalized patients and those in intensive care have both been decreasing since early April, according to Italian authorities.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Nymphae]

Has the nicotine thing been talked about yet? This would make me laugh lol

Smokers 'four times less likely' to contract Covid-19, prompting nicotine patch trials on patients

Researchers in France will test nicotine patches on health workers and patients but reiterated smoking could also cause more severe illness

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[cryptoadam]

Well, I believe the argument is that the lockdowns prevented exponential growth, so we are just seeing the result of maybe a month or two's worth of unmitigated community spread, but if we didn't lock down, that would have continued to grow exponentially and the third and fourth months would have seen massive numbers of new cases.

With that said, Sweden's more measured... measures don't seem to be bringing about an exponential growth curve. I know it's not fair to compare a country like Sweden to the US, perhaps, but they're the only data point we have unfortunately.

I think the question should be could we have accomplished the same results if we instead locked up the old, beefed up old age homes, and put into place mask wearing and social distancing. Banning large gathering and sporting events would also make sense. But its very possible we would of achieved the same results or even better (protecting old age homes and those over 75) with what I outlined above.

But in the end during the fog of war its hard to blame anyone. You get hit with 2 million deaths and you will take action. There will be tons of studies and looking back at this to highlight the mistakes every country made along the way. We live and learn and hopefully will be better prepared next time China releases a deadly virus on us, which should be in a bout 15 years or so. See you in 2035.

 

[cryptoadam]

Has the nicotine thing been talked about yet? This would make me laugh lol

Smokers 'four times less likely' to contract Covid-19, prompting nicotine patch trials on patients

Researchers in France will test nicotine patches on health workers and patients but reiterated smoking could also cause more severe illness

www.telegraph.co.uk

It has. Next they will study the effects of chronic masturbation.

Another theory they have is that big penis means you are more likely to die. Thats why Asian countries have such low death rates. American Penis so large, Japanese penis so small.

 

[Jooxed]

It has. Next they will study the effects of chronic masturbation.

Another theory they have is that big penis means you are more likely to die. Thats why Asian countries have such low death rates. American Penis so large, Japanese penis so small.

Fuck yeah, my wife told my i'm hung like a Japanese guy much to her dismay.

 

[ManaByte]

It has. Next they will study the effects of chronic masturbation.

Good thing we have a tits thread here then.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

The USA is now on track for 1 million cases. The first of any country.

Some interesting comparisons for the USA.

When all was said and done, the 2009 Swine Flu had something like 60 million cases (Range is 43M-89M) but only 12,469 deaths.

Right now our deaths are 4x as many as the entire Swine Flu pandemic, but our cases are much less. Now if the 10x-40x number ends up being true (of asymptomatic cases). We'd be looking at 10M-40M cases.

This will be interesting once we have all the data and can see the macro view. Definitely looking like it's worse than anything we've seen recently, but thankfully not something that should be world ending. Hopefully things get back to normal sooner rather than later.

 

[Moogle11]

My general take on it is you have to take the better safe than sorry approach when dealing with a novel virus pandemic. Money can be printed, economies can be rebuilt, you can't bring preventable deaths back to life.

That said, of course things can't stay shut down for ever--or even that much longer. There has to be some balancing of preventable lives lost vs. lasting economic harm for sure. And honestly, the re-opening plan outlined by the White House is pretty ok by me. Require 14 days of decline before starting phase 1, meet other guidelines before phase 2 and so on.

What's stupid is things like what we're seeing in GA that even Trump has lashed out against where close contact businesses like salons, barber shops, massage places, tattoo places are reopened today and dine-in restaurants on Monday. From what I read, GA is like 45/50 states in tests per capita, is likely not at their peak yet (difficult to tell with limited testing and the daily numbers jumping around a lot from what I saw) and they jumped to opening things that are in phase 2 of the federal reopening plan.

That's going to put a lot of less fortunate people (especially those with risk factors, or living with family in high risk groups) in a tough position of having to return to work if ordered it get fired and be ineligible for unemployment benefits. At least those that work for crappy businesses that don't care about their employees. At the least we need some provisions for high risk people (and those living with/caring for high risk people) to stay on unemployment or disability or something until it's safe to return to working in close contact with customers in those type of jobs.

The other thing that is going to be tough is having sporting events with fans or live concerts. Especially in fall/winter when a rebound is likely per epidemiologists. It's scary to think what an outbreak could look like if there are contagious people at events with 20-100k+ people packed into cramped stand in stadiums, arenas and concert venues given what we saw from some super spreader events like those funerals wherever in south Georgia or that small conference (in Boston I think?). Probably going to be looking at either delayed seasons, games with no fans, or games with limited fans and enforced social distancing.

We have tickets to several games, concerts, plays etc. that have been postponed, already rescheduled, or still set to happen thus far on their original date. I really don't think we'll feel comfortable going until there's a vaccine--or we've gotten it and recovered AND it's been confirmed that it builds lasting immunity. Sucks as if the events happen it will probably be impossible to sell the tickets for what we paid as I imagine as lot of folks will be in the same boat of deciding to stay home and trying to ditch tickets.

But it just is what it is. My wife is full time work from home, and I have the ability/option to work from home through at least January. So I don't have much personal anxiety or stress over it as we're fine financially (even my retirement account is starting to bounce back after dropping 50k) and can just keep self isolating and limiting exposure as we have. Just feel bad for at risk people who won't be able to as things reopen and they have to go back to work and wish we had a deeper and stronger social safety net here for those people.

 

[Raven117]

How else then?

A balance between regulation/law (admittedly) and the free market. Look no further than China and Russia before they adopted capitalist principles.

 

[synchronicity]

Were you around for the 2016 election (well, any election, but especially the last one)? The left is horribly condescending. True believers tend think everyone who does not agree with them are fucking morons who are brainwashed to vote against their own interests. It's peak hubris.

All radicals are condescending. That's why they are radical. It's not the exclusive domain of any political party or ideology.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

All radicals are condescending. That's why they are radical. It's not the exclusive domain of any political party or ideology.

True. Accusations of brainwashing go both ways. I think it just stands out from the left right now, since they currently represent the dominant culture in America.

 

[synchronicity]

True. Accusations of brainwashing go both ways. I think it just stands out from the left right now, since they currently represent the dominant culture in America.

Most of what stands out in an offensive manner comes from your own bias towards a particular viewpoint imho.

Not a criticism of you personally. Just an observation. It's true for me as well.

 

[lukilladog]

Does anyone on here know any one who has tested positive or who has died from corona

I remember two users who tested positive on this thread, the italian one was in quarantine last time I saw him and the other one said he got well after 2 and a half weeks, but still was getting tired from normal physical activity. There might be more, I have not read the whole thread. Myself had two of the primary symptoms (headache, and fever) and one of the secondary (muscle pain)... which is enough to be considered a suspect, but I got well after 3 days. I´d have taken a test but the local official procedure was to self quarantine under certain age and health conditions, so no test for me.

 

[Moogle11]

Most of what stands out in an offensive manner comes from your own bias towards a particular viewpoint imho.

Not a criticism of you personally. Just an observation. It's true for me as well.

Absolutely true. I took me a long time to realize the "SJWs" were just as bad as the tea party types and even further right groups. I always found them annoying, they just didn't offend me as I agree with most of their general views outside the very extreme ones. I just can't stand how they go about it with the dog piling, cancel culture nonsense etc. Where as with the same types on the right I'm both annoyed by many of their actions and find many of their views offensive.

Thus I left Era and similar and largely just stay the fuck away from most political/social issue things online as I have no use for the extremists on either side and those are the loudest and most frequent voices/posters these days. Probably because they've driven regular people, like myself, to just stop giving much of a shit and to just focus on living our lives and letting other people worry about the world's problems.