DForce
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You were going on a rant months ago about how this is an agenda driven game, but now you want us to believe that you think the game would be perfect if you play as Ellie and Joel in this game?
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You were going on a rant months ago about how this is an agenda driven game, but now you want us to believe that you think the game would be perfect if you play as Ellie and Joel in this game?
DeeDogg_
Banned
Theyll probably announce The PS5 tomorrow as a distractionIf I'm Sony I'm releasing this as soon as I can.
The longer they wait. The more fans will see the leaks and grow pissed off.
They need to avoid backlash and get this out digitally as soon as possible surely?
But I suppose from their business perspective they wanna give the game a proper build up.
So ironic that a company seemingly delays a game so fans can enjoy it together, only for the game to leak entirely to fans before a release window is announced
Dacon
Banned
You were going on a rant months ago about how this is an agenda driven game, but now you want us to believe that you think the game would be perfect if you play as Ellie and Joel in this game?
They're not allowed to change their mind about things?
siekro1983
Banned
You were going on a rant months ago about how this is an agenda driven game, but now you want us to believe that you think the game would be perfect if you play as Ellie and Joel in this game?
i was always hoping they would make joel playabe, instead they take a shit on us, with 2 playable dykes, and kill joel off like he's not even important character, even ellie being playable the whole game would be easier to swallow, the second character is rumored to be a transgender, fuck this i'm not supporting this crap.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Just wait until the mole releases a longplay video of beating the game from start to finish.If I'm Sony I'm releasing this as soon as I can.
The longer they wait. The more fans will see the leaks and grow pissed off.
They need to avoid backlash and get this out digitally as soon as possible surely?
But I suppose from their business perspective they wanna give the game a proper build up.
So ironic that a company seemingly delays a game so fans can enjoy it together, only for the game to leak entirely to fans before a release window is announced
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The dad was a doctor. Would be great if Abby reveals she's mad not just because her dad died, but because he couldn't help her finish her transition.
Iced Arcade
Member
Kill Joel and Elli
That shit can't be true.
That shit can't be true.
DeeDogg_
Banned
I miss Bruce Straley
I don't fucking get it either man. She doesn't even over power him physically or anything.
Joel likely gets restrained and violently beaten by a gang of people that work with Abby and she deals the killing blow.
Meanwhile on Resetera you have some people that are crying foul about Naughty Dog killing gay characters. Like it can't be both, people...
How are people actually shocked that Joel of all people gets killed off. You can see that one coming a mile away. Have people never watched a movie ever?
As Joel you spend all of TLOU killing a fuck ton of people, so how would you not expect that karma to ever come back to Joel at some point?
Ellie getting killed is actually pretty shocking in an interesting way, but I have no idea how it all plays out.
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Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
I can't see the problem at all. Having gay person in game TV show movie does not mean their pushing some agenda, all it is representation of how society is changing becoming more acceptable.
Relationships have been thing in entertainment since the invention books movies theatre, and not ones in my entire 20 years on Internet have ever heard person say fuck that heterosexual relationship ruined that movie game TV show it was just out place yet as soon games TV shows movies started introducing lgbt all I here is there pushing it down are throats, when in reality there not at all. There expressing there right to tell a story the way they choose to.
Cato
Banned
Abbey (deadname Abraham) is mad because Ellie does not accept her as a true lesbian or romantic partner because she has a girldick.
Knightime_X
Member
Someone spoil this game please.
Don't feel like paying $60
Don't feel like paying $60
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Ellie's sexuality was established in the first game. Do you expect her not to have any sort of relationship years later?
The first Last of Us was about Joel's relationship with Ellie. That's the main focus of the story. It started with Joel's daughter dying, and in turn, Joel replaces Sarah in his life with Ellie, a daughter like figure.
Her being lesbian doesn't seem like a crucial part of the story. If Dina was skilled because she was a Lesbian and anti-gay christian cult were the main bad guys, then yeah, I would consider that really pushing an agenda.
I consider shows like Batwoman agenda pushing. Her sexuality is not an issue, but they want to drive that point home by announcing that Batwoman is gay (not the Kate Kane) and how men are bad. People are quick to jump on anything and call it SJW propaganda just like SJW love to whine that there's not enough diversity in a video game or movie.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Hey you never know. Maybe Ellie and Abby once met (at the slow dance), Ellie shot her down, and down the line Abby wants revenge cracking skulls.
siekro1983
Banned
its not about killing joel. it's he's treated like he's a not a important character, and killed off early to be replaced by another dyke or transgender female.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It was in Feb. I don't see people going on a long rant and arguing with people and somehow change weeks later.
Heart_Attack
Member
Is Abby Trans or not? I expect Druckman to mention that she is, even if the game doesn't just to get more media attention.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'm not sure where this rumour is coming from. Either I missed a leak, or people are basing it solely on her beefy appearance beating up Joel.
Exactly. If there are no high stakes then what's the fucking point?
Dacon
Banned
I literally don't give a shit about Ellie being gay outside of her girlfriend looking like La Goblina(my girl can do better). Then again all of the characters in this game have some kind of weird ugliness going on with all their character models, including Ellie, Joel, and the asian bro Dina was fucking.
My issue is this seems to be yet another case of questionable choices made for the sake of "subverting expectations" and throwing fast balls at the audience. I expected Joel to die, but in some stupid revenge plot with the daughter of the surgeon from the first game, fucking what?
How would this bitch even find Joel years later, or even know what he looks like now. Theres no internet, and no abundance of people in population centers to farm information from so how the FUCK would she find him? She doesn't even have a photo of this nigga and I'm supposed to believe she remembers Joel's face perfectly enough to find him like a decade later?
It just reeks of idiocy to me.
My issue is this seems to be yet another case of questionable choices made for the sake of "subverting expectations" and throwing fast balls at the audience. I expected Joel to die, but in some stupid revenge plot with the daughter of the surgeon from the first game, fucking what?
How would this bitch even find Joel years later, or even know what he looks like now. Theres no internet, and no abundance of people in population centers to farm information from so how the FUCK would she find him? She doesn't even have a photo of this nigga and I'm supposed to believe she remembers Joel's face perfectly enough to find him like a decade later?
It just reeks of idiocy to me.
Dacon
Banned
This is video games not fucking religion, people's opinions change pretty easily on shit that is of no consequence.
"Dyke" "transgendered female" seriously?
Nothing that we've seen depicts him as being " not an important character."
He clearly is. Ellie clearly is heavily impacted by his death, so much so he risks her life to seek revenge. How is that an insignificant character?
Sounds it is about Joel getting killed.
You do realize that meme is a pejorative posters on 4chan use to refer to non white or mixed raced people.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I always think there needs to be a balance. People desperately wanted Poison in Street Fighter games for years, and no one cried SJW propaganda. Diversity is fine, but don't go out there and change character's race or sexuality just because you want to add more gay, black, trans or Asian characters.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
His opinion about SJW didn't change because he complained about it then and he's complaining about it now.
009EspadaSageJay
Member
I read through the whole thing the story sounds incredibly half made without spoiling other games the ending flip at the end of this game has been done in various Japanese's games and even some western games like Prototype 2,RDR1 ect. The abby plot point is increadily dumb didnt joel kill everyone at the end of the game and your moving through that entire section pretty fast. How did abby 1. catch joel and figure out who he was in this pitch dark building and 2 how did she even track him done years latter. RDR1 at the end did something like that but that world was still alive and most people stayed in the Texas/mexico area so it wouldnt be to hard to find someone. TLOU is based in the 20th century with no technology you could probally get lost in New York and never leave with how drastic the landscape and surround areas have changed.
siekro1983
Banned
Being killed early in the game, and being used as revenge is a important role, LMAO. thats like the least important role in most movies.
Dacon
Banned
Yes, I do. Don't worry it's ok I'm black I can't be racist.
I don't care what he's talking about, looks like some dumb shit. I just hate it when people act like people can't change their opinions about this inconsequential shit.
^ this 100%
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009EspadaSageJay
Member
The fact the joel got done in by a golf club is sad NGL you can kill your main character thats fine animes do it all the time but either A do it in style or B give them a death that is actually symbolic like in MGS. At this point they might of well said joel died from going down his stairs in his house if hes going to get killed off by a golf club.
siekro1983
Banned
well i finally accepted it and was looking forward to the game, and but for me personally this is just too much, my excitement is dead now.
turtlepowa
Banned
Do you have a link where i can read the whole story?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I never said people can't change, but you're making an excuse for his actions.
This was in Feb.siekro1983 said:
He's complaining about the same stuff so his opinion has not changed.
xrnzaaas
Member
I feel like some of us will watch the cutscene montage on youtube after the game's release instead of supporting this project financially.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
If you accepted it, you wouldn't complain about characters being trans.
You would just focus on Joel and Ellie, but no.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Neither of these supposed leak recaps says Ellie dies.
Heres a claim from someone else who saw it too. It's a little similar:
"It begins with Abby hiding behind a piece of cover as Ellie circles a corner and looks for her on the other end of that counter. Using stealth you're supposed to grab Ellie. They fight ruthlessly, Ellie uses her switchblade often in the sequence and also bites her arm to get out of the chokehold Abby has her in. In this fight they end up collapsing through the floor to the lower level of the vuilding. Abby is also able to squeeze through things and take that to her advantage. But what happens first, right after they fall through the floor, is Ellie pulling out her shotgun. The prompt to dodge appears and as Abby you do just that. Gameplay wise it's very much reminiscent of fighting David. There's one part where the player rushes head on at Ellie and Ellie blasts Abby's gut with a shotgun and then as she's about to shoot her head off it cuts in that iconic old death screen style, then there's a tip that says "don't attack Ellie head on". After that was when I skimmed a bit but I noticed a prompt on the corner just after Abby threw that bottle, which Ellie dodges, then a bit after Abby and Ellie fight again, Abby nearly chokes her out but Ellie gains the upper hand. Fight continues but the player messes up again and dies."
Heres a claim from someone else who saw it too. It's a little similar:
"It begins with Abby hiding behind a piece of cover as Ellie circles a corner and looks for her on the other end of that counter. Using stealth you're supposed to grab Ellie. They fight ruthlessly, Ellie uses her switchblade often in the sequence and also bites her arm to get out of the chokehold Abby has her in. In this fight they end up collapsing through the floor to the lower level of the vuilding. Abby is also able to squeeze through things and take that to her advantage. But what happens first, right after they fall through the floor, is Ellie pulling out her shotgun. The prompt to dodge appears and as Abby you do just that. Gameplay wise it's very much reminiscent of fighting David. There's one part where the player rushes head on at Ellie and Ellie blasts Abby's gut with a shotgun and then as she's about to shoot her head off it cuts in that iconic old death screen style, then there's a tip that says "don't attack Ellie head on". After that was when I skimmed a bit but I noticed a prompt on the corner just after Abby threw that bottle, which Ellie dodges, then a bit after Abby and Ellie fight again, Abby nearly chokes her out but Ellie gains the upper hand. Fight continues but the player messes up again and dies."
siekro1983
Banned
did we know buff trans abby was playable half the game, and joel will be killed early in the game so of course my opinion has changed, i was still planing on getting the game.
Dacon
Banned
No I didn't. I said people's opinions can change, that's literally all I said. I even acknowledge that I did not read his posts because they look stupid. I took issue with your statement that 2 months isn't enough time to change how you feel about something as irrelevant as a fucking videogame.
Fuck off with that bullshit.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I said he is complaining about the same stuff today, which means he did not change his opinion. It should have been obvious, but it wasn't to you.
I'm done.
turtlepowa
Banned
Videolinks from the image work.
Unknown16
Neo Member
She does, I think. Original leaker said she does, plus I've seen some damning images.
Stilton Disco
Member
Just caught up up on the leak, and bleeding hell does this sound like a bunch of sub soap opera level bad writing.
It seems they made the typical identitarian mistake of starting with what the characters superficial identities are, what their perceived real life 'oppression' is, then worked a story around that. It always makes for weird plots and unrealistic characgers and situations.
Combined with the torture porn gameplay and cut scenes we've seen so far, I really don't think this game is going to be for me.
It seems they made the typical identitarian mistake of starting with what the characters superficial identities are, what their perceived real life 'oppression' is, then worked a story around that. It always makes for weird plots and unrealistic characgers and situations.
Combined with the torture porn gameplay and cut scenes we've seen so far, I really don't think this game is going to be for me.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
There's a post on resetera with screenshots of the scene. Looks like she lives after the fight.
Unknown16
Neo Member
It fades out. This is the end of the video:
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009EspadaSageJay
Member
1st page of this thread has everything and I mean everything
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Yeah, but the same poster said this.
Still not very clear because apparently Dina comes in for the save when Abby tries to snap Ellie's neck.
If this picture is an indicator of in anything.
This should would look like that they're both dead. They could just be unconscious. Maybe that's why the leaker though Ellie died.. Not really sure anymore.
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