All The Last of Us 2 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.

mortal

Banned
I always think there needs to be a balance. People desperately wanted Poison in Street Fighter games for years, and no one cried SJW propaganda. Diversity is fine, but don't go out there and change character's race or sexuality just because you want to add more gay, black, trans or Asian characters.
I agree.

That's the thing though. At some point there are people who will cry foul at ANY instance of this as reaction just from being on edge about it in other media.
At what point would it be unreasonable to assume it's SJW agenda just because the main character in a game is gay?
At what point is being upset or mocking a romance between gay characters in an original written storyline, more about a person's personal hangups than political pandering?
Especially when those characters are written with a fair amount of depth and flaws, and aren't just virtuous Mary Sues.

There can be nuance here, I certainly can understand being skeptical, but the issue is that some people will immediately draw lines and declare something be this way or that way, even when it might not be.

Being killed early in the game, and being used as revenge is a important role, LMAO. thats like the least important role in most movies.
So it is about Joel being killed, got it. Don't know why you were bullshiting with all those another reasons.
This is a continuation of the storyline from the first game, Joel being killed earlier in this game doesn't make his death any less significant, so I'm not understanding your logic.
His death would be significant because of how he and Ellie's relationship were built up over the course of the first game.
The player growing familiar with these characters would also be impacted by this revelation. If you aren't actually invested in a character in the story then it wouldn't really matter to you if they die earlier or later.
 
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Unknown16

Neo Member
Yeah, but the same poster said this.

Still not very clear because apparently Dina comes in for the save when Abby tries to snap Ellie's neck.

This should would look like that they're both dead. They could just be unconscious. Maybe that's why the leaker though Ellie died.. Not really sure anymore.
One of them's been headbanging the floor a few too many times and the other's looking like they're choking on their own blood. Is a videogame after all, but still.
 

Cato

Banned
I'm not sure where this rumour is coming from. Either I missed a leak, or people are basing it solely on her beefy appearance beating up Joel.

Well, Abbey (even has an obviously made up fake special name) is either trans and beats up and kills an openly lesbian girl or she is a cis white, but ugly, girl that beats up and kills the lesbian.

You pick. You think ND will make a game where you play as the white cis girl beating up and killing the openly lesbian girl?
Oh dear. The shitstorms would be of biblical proportions.
 
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Gravemind

Member
Final fight spoilers:

It doesnt look like Ellie dies in the leaked video of the fight. She gets her face punched in, Dina gets her face smashed into the floor. Abby's about to slit Dina's throat but the Asian kid tells her to stop and she does. Then Abby walks away. Ellie is still alive as the video cuts out.
 
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Goliathy

Banned
WTF!!!

this girl is pregnant

And in the end this man or whatever it is says:

"Keep out of my sight!.

btw the leak is in GERMAN, the twitter live-stream
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Alright sure, but why else would the original leaker state that she dies? We're hypothesizing about small snippets when everything else the OP has said has been proven to be true. Unless he was of course lying about "Abby" being MtF too.


People can look at that footage and think she's dead. But if that's the end of the fight and she's breathing, then I'm sure that's giving us a sign that she's alive.
 

Unknown16

Neo Member
People can look at that footage and think she's dead. But if that's the end of the fight and she's breathing, then I'm sure that's giving us a sign that she's alive.
You're missing the point entirely. The original leaker played the game, otherwise he wouldn't be the original leaker and the game wouldn't be leaked.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're missing the point entirely. The original leaker played the game, otherwise he wouldn't be the original leaker and the game wouldn't be leaked.
I've only seen two leaks that gives a summary of what happens.

One is from 4chan and the other is from an old Reddit post. I'm not missing the point, I'm just saying there's conflicting evidence as to why he may think Ellie died. You also have a person saying Ellie doesn't die, but we don't know where he got his videos from (at least I don't know where he got it from).

If the leak says Ellie dies during that fight, well, video evidence doesn't really back that up. I could be wrong, but still.
 
I agree.

That's the thing though. At some point there are people who will cry foul at ANY instance of this as reaction just from being on edge about it in other media.
At what point would it be unreasonable to assume it's SJW agenda just because the main character in a game is gay?
At what point is being upset or mocking a romance between gay characters in an original written storyline, more about a person's personal hangups than political pandering?
Especially when those characters are written with a fair amount of depth and flaws, and aren't just virtuous Mary Sues.

There can be nuance here, I certainly can understand being skeptical, but the issue is that some people will immediately draw lines and declare something be this way or that way, even when it might not be.


So it is about Joel being killed, got it. Don't know why you were bullshiting with all those another reasons.
This is a continuation of the storyline from the first game, Joel being killed earlier in this game doesn't make his death any less significant, so I'm not understanding your logic.
His death would be significant because of how he and Ellie's relationship were built up over the course of the first game.
The player growing familiar with these characters would also be impacted by this revelation. If you aren't actually invested in a character in the story then it wouldn't really matter to you if they die earlier or later.


Dude the game came out 7 years ago. If they wanted to kill joel right it should have been in part 1. We have been waiting for sequel to joel and ellie's story only to have Joel be killed early on. give me a break.
 

Goliathy

Banned
Last of us was about ellie and joel now its sjw and revenge. Imagine if breaking bad killed Walter white early in the second season this is what naughty trash is doing.

They wanted to kill off Jesse at the end of the first season:

“The original plan was to kill him off, but I have to say, the writers’ strike, in a sense, didn’t save him because I knew by episode 2 — we all did, all of us, our wonderful directors and our wonderful producers — everybody knew this talent, how good you are, and a pleasure to work with,” Vince Gilligan said to Aaron Paul during a cast panel in 2011. “And it became pretty clear early on that that would be a huge, colossal mistake to kill off Jesse. But the idea was … I didn’t know how important Jesse was [going to be].”
 

Dibils2k

Member
First thing, this is a fucked up thing that the leaker is doing

secondly, i had no intention of playing this game (gameplay was so boring in TLOU) but want to watch a playthrough... is there a full playthrough of this somewhere now? lol

also why am i seeing so many spoiler tags in a spoiler thread...
 
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bcolak

Banned
Game looks amazing <3 Can't wait to play it <3
They should just release it now before everything about the game leaks out......
 
They wanted to kill off Jesse at the end of the first season:


They made the right decision. You dont kill off something that made the show special to begin with. Naughty dog basically killed of Walter white and replaced him with gale because he's gay.
 
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cormack12

Gold Member
I read every page up to this point and I think it's still not clear?

1. Scene with Joel dead/suspected dead
2. Reference to Joel being dead in cutscene but no frame of reference, for time or context for absolute certainty
3. Ellie/Abby fight
4. Dina is also there and gets embroiled
5. Both look dead
6. Ellie still breathing on floor though
7. No idea if these are mortal wounds

That a bout the size of it?
 

ruvikx

Banned
I always find it funny when people want to make a "strong female character" and they just make her as manly as possible.

It's weird because if my memory is correct, even Anita Sarkeesian herself once said something about the failure of storytellers who make their "strong women" a female variant of a man with male traits. Someone would need to siphon through all her videos, but I believe she said that years ago. So I'm not even sure Anita would approve with Druckmann on this one (i.e. Druckmann who once claimed he was inspired by Anita).

Something also needs to be said about the super buff, super muscular, super fit pro weightlifting body type we see on Abby in particular: in a post apocalyptic world, people's diet & health goes to hell. So any pretense at "realism" with characters who look like Rambo is itself questionable. Just because people need to fight to survive it doesn't mean they'll look like Stallone circa 1980's. In fact when we look at real life war-torn environments (for example Yugoslavia in the 1990's etc. ), most people (even soldiers) look seriously ill & unhealthy.
 

plushyp

Member
Is there a better quality video (one that isn't a recording of a recording) of the fight between Ellie and Abby?
 
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cormack12

Gold Member
In my VEINS!!!!!!

Those scenes looks fucking great, except the second noe about the couple in Jackson, all the references felt forced to the surgeon and immunity. The others though are pure fire
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It even looks as though DIna could be dead in that last one - maybe that's what kicks off the revenge porn?
 

GymWolf

Gold Member
the only good thing about these spoilers is that i can beat the shit out of annoying ellie with the new chara 😆
 

Real

Member
GG naughty dog, way to subvert everyone's expectations by making a game that nobody wants. I see why it was delayed indefinitely now. Next time please try to just barely meet my expectations instead.
 

Nickolaidas

Banned
New videos





What if this is an anti-SJW message? You know, like, "Get woke, get your face pounded into the floor, have your face smashed in and your throat cut?" :messenger_winking_tongue:

At any rate, this game is a technical marvel. I can't believe they're doing this on a 1.8TF machine.

Seeing the spoilers made me want to buy this - not on day one, though. I'll wait for a price drop.
 

GymWolf

Gold Member
Yea cant wait to play as a trans. I can imagine it now she will have the strength of the hulk so naughty dog can show a strong a trans can be.
well i never cared about ND stories and character so if the trans chara fight more like joel (so more bruteforce style than sleek assassin) i'm all for it.
i'm literally playing this game only for the gameplay (and the technical aspect of course) so they can do all they want with the story, i'm just gonna enjoy the trainwreck and laugh a lot.
 

drezz

Member
Wanted to buy this game when it was announced, then they let go of the multiplayer I was so very fond of. Most fun MP I've played on PS3 and PS4.
And now these leaks just makes me not want to play this or invest money into it.
I'd guess I'll watch some playthroughs of it, just to get my itch?
 
Being killed early in the game, and being used as revenge is a important role, LMAO. thats like the least important role in most movies.
Guess Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon were not important characters in A Song of Ice and Fire, then.

This is a childishly simplistic view of characters. Especially when Joel was the main playable character in the previous game.
 
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turtlepowa

Banned
well i never cared about ND stories and character so if the trans chara fight more like joel (so more bruteforce style than sleek assassin) i'm all for it.
i'm literally playing this game only for the gameplay (and the technical aspect of course) so they can do all they want with the story, i'm just gonna enjoy the trainwreck and laugh a lot.
You played TLOU for the gameplay? I played it for the story and "finished" it on Youtube after 3 hours because of that "gameplay".
 

martino

Member
I'm more curious now honestly.
That seems balzy even more in this case (AAA of what is for most game of previous generation).
I like to play imperfect and underrepresented characters
For example i wish we could play older characters more often
 

GymWolf

Gold Member
You played TLOU for the gameplay? I played it for the story and "finished" it on Youtube after 3 hours because of that "gameplay".
i originally played for both but when the game ended, i enjoyed the gameplay far more than the story.
i like slow more methodical\realistic tps game and some meaty gunplay and tlou has both.
the stealth was trash tho.

the story was a giant cliche and i didn't care to much, even more when you already know the supposedly "shocking" finale after the first 15-20 minutes from the beginning of the game.
 
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