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[DonJorginho]

So who does it better then? Very obvious quite a few people in this thread have an axe to grind against ND, which is pretty sad in itself, as well as a good reason to instantl;y disrefard their input as prejudiced and unworthy of consideration.

What are you on about? I love Naughty Dog? Calling out clichés doesn't mean I want them to crash and burn and despise them.

Just saying how they do clichés well or not terribly so would rather have that than the way they handled Joel's death.

 

[Saber]

I think my main problem with this plot is...Abby.

I got nothing on her. Her story is just...a story of vengeance. Theres nothing to me so far to ever feel interested. Thats why Joel's death strikes hard, because it sounds like he was killed by a random npc who is taken vengeance over a random npc father.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Dude, I'm just rolling my eyes and laughing my ass off.

I'm just pointing put the obvious SJW fantasies the game plot and design is filled with and enjoying the shitshow.




The problem is that for SJW, their cause is more important than anything else.




That's the problem, you can't have something believable when your agenda states that women are as strong as men.

Biology fun fact; they aren't, not even close. Men are stronger, faster, more aggressive and just biologically evolved for combat situations.

Nadine shouldn’t be capable to take on both Sam and Drake, but it's a delicious SJW fantasy.

In the Last Of Us world, women would be literal fuckholes keep by the more aggresive and strong males. That's believable and it's literally what happened through history when societies were more based on violence and the fittest of the strongest.

So yeah, you can't have realism and SJW fantasies at the same time. They are opposite poles.

This total utter bollocks.

fact is fighting subduing your enemy has little to do with strength anyway. This is why majority of boxers who never lost ko people who twice there size. If strength was what automatically made you capable wouldn't we have boxing full of bodybuilders?

I've seen little men and woman take out take out men who probably weigh 10x there mass. Some due sheer look or mental health however to just disregard it and say its not possible just shows ignorant you are.

Fighting comes down vairty of things being able lift more is right on bottom of the list when achieving your goal. I would say personally if reaction speed is shit your fucked in a fight no matter how big you are, and what gender you are.

 

[Shmunter]

Is there a safe videos list somewhere. Pure gameplay, no plot spoilers. Some multi?

 

[Werewolf Jones]

It's amazing how focused people are on Abbie being unrealisticly fucking HUGE that people forgot this game has zombies in it.

Btw here's the end game beat down:



Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Clear]

What are you on about? I love Naughty Dog? Calling out clichés doesn't mean I want them to crash and burn and despise them.

Just saying how they do clichés well or not terribly so would rather have that than the way they handled Joel's death.

Sorry that came across as more directly accusatory to your comment than I intended. Was really 2 separate points.

I do 100% stand behind my claim that there are a load of haters in this thread, just using any excuse to piss and moan about ND.

 

[DonJorginho]

Sorry that came across as more directly accusatory to your comment than I intended. Was really 2 separate points.

I do 100% stand behind my claim that there are a load of haters in this thread, just using any excuse to piss and moan about ND.

It's okay man, no offence taken.

Clichés aren't even inherently bad, Goodfellas is full of clichés but it's one of my favourite films of all time, if a team can handle them well then it elevates those moments higher.

I agree, some people had it out for ND since the start.

 

[SleepDoctor]

I initially thought based of the sales and seeming popularity of the first we would be looking at a potential 15-20 million seller when all is said and done. Now, im thinking it will be lucky to cross 10 million. When word gets out about WHAT and WHO this game is now about i can see it turning off ALOT of people. This is the last jedi on steroids.

I highly doubt sales will take much of a hit. Not even a fraction of fans are on these forum when you consider the 10 million(?) Tlou sold or let alone the 110 million Ps4 owners there is. Even then you still have those like minded "woke" fans who love this shit and the fanboys defending it who will support anything Sony puts out.

 

[Fake]

It's amazing how focused people are on Abbie being unrealisticly fucking HUGE that people forgot this game has zombies in it.

Btw here's the end game beat down:



Don't say I didn't warn you.

You mean 'focus' on a random char? Make totally sense. You don't introduce a new char at the blink.

 

[EviLore]

This total utter bollocks.

fact is fighting subduing your enemy has little to do with strength anyway. This is why majority of boxers who never lost ko people who twice there size. If strength was what automatically made you capable wouldn't we have boxing full of bodybuilders?

I've seen little men and woman take out take out men who probably weigh 10x there mass. Some due sheer look or mental health however to just disregard it and say its not possible just shows ignorant you are.

Fighting comes down vairty of things being able lift more is right on bottom of the list when achieving your goal. I would say personally if reaction speed is shit your fucked in a fight no matter how big you are, and what gender you are.

Boxing has weight classes and grappling is illegal under boxing rules. Size and strength absolutely do matter in a fight.

 

[Jon Neu]

fact is fighting subduing your enemy has little to do with strength anyway.

lol

Yeah, that's why every fighting sport has separate divisions by both gender and weight, right?

 

[xrnzaaas]

It's a decent plot. Reads like a Quentin Tarantino film.
I can see this turning off a lot people who were invested in Joel and Ellie though.

Yeah, spending half of the game controlling a character the players will absolutely hate at that point (especially if they were positive towards Joel) would definitely be something unique. But it's another thing how many would want to willingly go through that and enjoy playing the game that way.

Personally I don't mind playing games with darker and traumatic things happening to the main characters, but TLoU2 is shaping to be more like a simulator of feeling miserable 100% of the time.

 

[Fake]

I do 100% stand behind my claim that there are a load of haters in this thread, just using any excuse to piss and moan about ND.

Indeed, but before the crossfire you need to filter the haters from the people who actually not happy about the plot twist. They're easily to be spoted.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

In the inevitable PlayStation All Stars 2 she's gonna be the final boss that's impossible to beat.

 

[Humdinger]

I've lost interest in the game, not so much because of the SJW stuff, but because of the apparently complete focus on the worst traits of human beings -- hate, anger, revenge, violence, and interpersonal "drama." It just doesn't sound fun or interesting to me.

 

[Shin]

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[Dabaus]

I highly doubt sales will take much of a hit. Not even a fraction of fans are on these forum when you consider the 10 million(?) Tlou sold or let alone the 110 million Ps4 owners there is. Even then you still have those like minded "woke" fans who love this shit and the fanboys defending it who will support anything Sony puts out.

Yeah, their not on message boards but they watch youtube, they have friends who keep up with rumors. We're not even dealing with rumors though, were dealing with straight up gameplay videos. Even if they dont see that some youtube gamer will have. Im not saying everyone is going to hear about it but gamers are pretty savvy when it comes to paying attention to game news. I dont think this is the sequel that fans would have wanted. Gamers arent going to tell their normie friends to check this game out., thats my assumption.

 

[Jon Neu]

lol

Yeah, that's why every fighting sport has separate divisions by both gender and weight, right?

Also, I think we all are familiar with the stories of transgender athletes who are biologically males but compete with women.

And they utterly destroy the women. To the point of some of them claiming it's not fair to let them compete against them.

 

[LoV]

Wait, Abby is the daughter of a doctor that might or might not have been murdered in the first game?

 

[Hendrick's]

In the inevitable PlayStation All Stars 2 she's gonna be the final boss that's impossible to beat.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

Human emotions like hate and revenge. And Human interactions like murder, torture and abuse.

Seems like a breath of fresh air for sure, very original.

You're just watching the basic plot, you wont search for revenge if theres no love involved.

Looking at the first game and how they dealt with the story, I think this will be another huge success, and wouldnt surprise me if it won game of the decade again.

 

[PleaseWaitStation4]

Zappo

 

[EviLore]

In the inevitable PlayStation All Stars 2 she's gonna be the final boss that's impossible to beat.

Oh, so she’s actually body referenced to a CrossFit Games athlete. Not surprising.

 

[SleepDoctor]

This total utter bollocks.

fact is fighting subduing your enemy has little to do with strength anyway. This is why majority of boxers who never lost ko people who twice there size. If strength was what automatically made you capable wouldn't we have boxing full of bodybuilders?

I've seen little men and woman take out take out men who probably weigh 10x there mass. Some due sheer look or mental health however to just disregard it and say its not possible just shows ignorant you are.

Fighting comes down vairty of things being able lift more is right on bottom of the list when achieving your goal. I would say personally if reaction speed is shit your fucked in a fight no matter how big you are, and what gender you are.

Please lets stop with the professional fighting references if you have no idea what you're talking about. There are weight classes and separate divisions for men and women for good reason.

Size doesn't matter is bullshit. Yea you can have featherweight beat the shoes off some bodybuilder or big fat dude who's never trained a day in his life. But even then the bigger guy still has a good chance just off pure strength and size advantage.

 

[Birdo]

I quit the forum over a week ago, but I just HAD to come back for this

I'm not even a fan of the original and the leaked story even made me angry. This could go down as the worst sequel of all time

 

[Fake]

I quit the forum over a week ago, but I just HAD to come back for this

I'm wonder why...

 

[DForce]

That’s the point, none of them are realistic.



I think you would be dissappointed.

The female soccer usa team is the best in the world, yet they get their ass kicked by amateur 14 year old teenagers that are at the bottom in the male category. The differences are too big.

And we aren't talking about random men, we are talking about super commando men capable of singlehandedly destroy a large militia. Maybe is established that Nadine is the only person in the world of Uncharted to have received combat training

If Nadine was taking on random civilians, it maybe would be believable. If those civilians don't happen to be much more bigger than her. But she was overpowering people who is well established they were killing trained mercenaries and beating super strong men like crazy for years.

Yes, that IS the point.

Nothing has really changed. You had women and small girls beating up grown men, but now it's a problem?

Even if she is not physically capable of taking out grown men, the point still stands. This has been going on for years, but now it's automatically getting marked as SJW propaganda.

What's not believable in real life?

- Lara Croft and Nathan Drake taking out an army of men almost by himself with tanks and rocket launchers

- Women in fighting game tournaments with men (Dead or Alive, Tekken, Virtua fighter etc.)

There are many films where men are going toe-to-toe with women and it wasn't marked as SJW propaganda.


Look.



This is a man vs a woman. Clearly she has a weapon, but what she's doing is very unrealistic.

If this film was made today, should I say it's SJW propaganda? Now what if a feminist writer said she wanted a bad ass woman to fight the main protagonist in the final scene, would that change anything about this scene?

It won't.

Neil or the female writer probably wanted a strong woman in the game, but that doesn't change the story from being good.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Boxing has weight classes and grappling is illegal under boxing rules. Size and strength absolutely do matter in a fight.

It gives you advantage yes however I think most would agree that if you bench less than your opponent but you react and defend yourself quicker that gives more of advantage to the fact you can punch bit harder.

All I'm saying is simply to say strength size is all that matters is narrow-minded in my view. Why is that get bipolar and schizophrenics can fight dozen of police and mental workers when there skin and bone?

 

[Birdo]

I'm wonder why...

Nobody can avoid a good train wreck.

The fact that it's Naughty Dog is just......

 

[Fake]

Nobody can avoid a good train wreck.

Depends of the train brand. Thats why you leave the forum, right? BTW, why you leave the forum?

 

[mortal]

Dude the game came out 7 years ago. If they wanted to kill joel right it should have been in part 1. We have been waiting for sequel to joel and ellie's story only to have Joel be killed early on. give me a break.

Your logic is so odd. The fact that the first game was released 7 years ago is completely irrelevant lol.
This is a sequel to Ellie and Joel story, but this is also a sequel exploring different themes from the first game. Primarily themes about suffering the loss of loved ones and revenge.
To me, It's showing that these characters aren't static or impervious as games often depict main characters as.

I understand if you don't like the outcome though, I'm not saying you need to. Still you should at least try to consider it within the context of the TLOU's chaotic and violent world
instead of just being upset because "oh no, they killed my favorite character" The setting and tone in these games are meant to be more grounded in reality and brutal, so why wouldn't a character like Joel who has killed many people in his lifetime, not also be subject to that same brutality?

 

[SleepDoctor]

It gives you advantage yes however I think most would agree that if you bench less than your opponent but you react and defend yourself quicker that gives more of advantage to the fact you can punch bit harder.

All I'm saying is simply to say strength size is all that matters is narrow-minded in my view. Why is that get bipolar and schizophrenics can fight dozen of police and mental workers when there skin and bone?

Completely irrelevant comparing mentally impaired people who are obviously unnaturally strong. Just like crackheads.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

It gives you advantage yes however I think most would agree that if you bench less than your opponent but you react and defend yourself quicker that gives more of advantage to the fact you can punch bit harder.

All I'm saying is simply to say strength size is all that matters is narrow-minded in my view. Why is that get bipolar and schizophrenics can fight dozen of police and mental workers when there skin and bone?

Probably because you made that up.

 

[Fake]

It gives you advantage yes however I think most would agree that if you bench less than your opponent but you react and defend yourself quicker that gives more of advantage to the fact you can punch bit harder.

All I'm saying is simply to say strength size is all that matters is narrow-minded in my view. Why is that get bipolar and schizophrenics can fight dozen of police and mental workers when there skin and bone?

Now you're mixing things up. These differences exist.

 

[Birdo]

Thats why you leave the forum, right?

Got sick of all the console war crap (Especially coming from the same people over and over).

It's actually nice to take a break for a bit (I didn't even lurk). I would suggest it to anyone else who feels burned out sometimes.

(Also, I apologise to anyone who quoted me over the last week, but I'm not checking through hundreds of replies)

 

[SleepDoctor]

The saddest shit about all of this is we completely forgot this was about zombies. Its all about how woke can you go.

 

[Fake]

Got sick of all the console war crap (Especially coming from the same people over and over).

Ironic. You leave and back to the forum for the same reason.

 

[Jill Valentine]

Admittedly she doesn't have the man voice. There'll be a lot of talk of this when the game releases no doubt.

 

[Birdo]

Ironic. You leave and back to the forum for the same reason.

Huh? I haven't posted in any console war thread since coming back.

 

[Drewpee]

First I want to say adding LGBTQ into videogames is perfectly fine, it is not SJW BS for everyone to be represented in games as long as it does not feel forced.

I do not know enough about the game to say if it works or feels forced but this is the perfect way to make the SJW
Agenda work in gaming. Inject it heavy into Sony products because fan loyalty is off the charts and they will defend almost any decision made by Sony or their studios. The same would happen for Xbox I'm sure, but the fanbase is not as big and their loyalty is a little more flexible.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Roided up beyond belief.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

First I want to say adding LGBTQ into videogames is perfectly fine, it is not SJW BS for everyone to be represented in games as long as it does not feel forced.

I do not know enough about the game to say if it works or feels forced but this is the perfect way to make the SJW
Agenda work in gaming. Inject it heavy into Sony products because fan loyalty is off the charts and they will defend almost any decision made by Sony or their studios. The same would happen for Xbox I'm sure, but the fanbase is not as big and their loyalty is a little more flexible.

Off topic, but since you brought up Sony, but I find it hilarious they censor games with some kiddie/childish upskirting, yet have a series made from their own employees having adults and teenagers bashing each other's heads in, as well as teenagers making out.

 

[Kuranghi]

Why is that get bipolar and schizophrenics can fight dozen of police and mental workers when there skin and bone?

I think that would classed under the umbrella of "retard strength" - check out the first comment on this reddit thread - - my mum worked in mental health and even on the small number of visits I made to her workplace as a boy I was told you can't be alone with certain patients ever and you enter the high security ward via an airlock-style double door system and the doors weigh a ton.

If you ignore your body's protestations you can do literally anything, until you collapse and die from over-exertion, a great example is in The Expanse, Clarissa/Clair Mao's fight scenes are bascially her taking a drug that lets her ignore pain from her body. Sorry can't find a clip of it online.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I think my main problem with this plot is...Abby.

I got nothing on her. Her story is just...a story of vengeance. Theres nothing to me so far to ever feel interested. Thats why Joel's death strikes hard, because it sounds like he was killed by a random npc who is taken vengeance over a random npc father.

Its the unknown that makes the storytelling interesting for characters like Joel. Something creators seem to forget.

You are introduced to Joel as a Father before the "event" and then time jump. He is drastically changed in this time span, and you watch as slowly details of what he has been doing and what made him change are given throughout your journey. The mystery and wonder keep you intrigued.

Ellie you watch grow up. You slowly are introduced to her. You witness her slowly evolve and slowly spill who she is.

They are both complex and human, but you as the player also wonder how different they would be if they grew up or continued their life without the world going to shit.

It was really incredible story telling with the first game and prequel DLC

 

[Clear]

Indeed, but before the crossfire you need to filter the haters from the people who actually not happy about the plot twist. They're easily to be spoted.

If I feel "I got it wrong" I'll always apologize. In my view its weaker to avoid admitting mistakes than just owning it and moving on.

I make no claims of infallibility, just that I'm always going to speak my mind and call out those who I feel deserve to be called out. Honestly, acting any different makes no sense to me..

 

[EviLore]

It gives you advantage yes however I think most would agree that if you bench less than your opponent but you react and defend yourself quicker that gives more of advantage to the fact you can punch bit harder.

Almost all real world fights involve grappling, and aren’t squared off duels. Size and strength matter a great deal in grappling. Punching power isn’t determined much by bench press, either. It’s a full body movement with your legs and core playing major roles. If you don’t think mass is extremely important there, either, though, remember force=mass*acceleration.

All I'm saying is simply to say strength size is all that matters is narrow-minded in my view. Why is that get bipolar and schizophrenics can fight dozen of police and mental workers when there skin and bone?

The non-crazy people are restraining themselves as part of their professional responsibilities.

 

[Skyr]

Admit it guys. You would all love to suck on Abbys micro-penis sized clit.

 

[GlassAwful]

I haven't really read most of these spoilers.

Does anyone have any story free gameplay impressions or snippets showing combat or improved mechanics? Or is it all story stuff?

 

[Hendrick's]

I haven't really read most of these spoilers.

Does anyone have any story free gameplay impressions or snippets showing combat or improved mechanics? Or is it all story stuff?

The game is similar to the first as far as gameplay, but the combat is much more fluid and the pace is a lot quicker which is nice.

 

[Fake]

If I feel "I got it wrong" I'll always apologize. In my view its weaker to avoid admitting mistakes than just owning it and moving on.

I make no claims of infallibility, just that I'm always going to speak my mind and call out those who I feel deserve to be called out. Honestly, acting any different makes no sense to me..

Well, you don't need to apologize if don't shoot the wrong person. Just ignore people who don't want to take apart from the conversation. There always been a hate around ND popularity for TLOUS saga, so is particulary normal seeing those guys.