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[Hostile_18]

I love it when people have read the leaks and now feel qualified to review the game before they have even played it

Naughty Dog has a solid track record of success (to put it mildly).

 

[Hobbygaming]

I never thought a video game would have so many feathers ruffled . Some of y'all need help bruh. It's a video game

The panic this game is causing is quite amusing. This thread will be interesting after the review thread and TLOU gets a 90-95 and goes on to sell 15 million units +

 

[Paracelsus]

Unrelated, since you claim there's no "kliq".

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Speaking of which, you could be a politician, or a lawyer, if you're not one already.
For one thing, predictions were quite higher, well over 700m close to 750m in the U.S.A., 1.7 worldwide. The bleakest predictions claimed 680ish in the USA and 1.5ww.
Also, you love your multipliers but while you mention a 2.8 multiplier during Christmas against no competition whatsoever, you omit the drop.

TLJ started close to TFA, -20m, then there's the record-breaking second week drop, 69 vs TFA's 40 percent against Jumanji, which you make sound like a big deal except it wasn't. TLJ being bad made it into a big deal.

'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Delivers Second Largest Opening Ever

www.boxofficemojo.com

Using these numbers as a starting point, a domestic performance anywhere from $750-830 million feels a safe bet and it will be interesting to see where it ends up, especially considering some of these early responses from moviegoers. Of course, Last Jedi's performance doesn't end at the domestic box office.

TLJ was dead within four weeks, during holiday season which is the most long-legged. It was dead long before Black Panther.

What actually happened is that TLJ had a huge front-loaded opening because of Luke, word got out quick it was a funeral for SW, people still needed a movie to watch and that helped Jumanji, that's it.
Then, Disney hoped Asia would make up for it, except either word got also to China, or they didn't like TFA as much as the west did, or possibly both.

And yes, it was definitely a Battlefield and Ghostbusters situation, aka people put in charge of a big franchise thinking they could do and say whatever they wanted forever and ever.
When you say "this is The Last Jedi of Series" it is not meant as a compliment.

 

[Endless Fluff]

This shouldn't surprise anyone. It's a Sony 1st party IP and it's a long awaited sequel on top of that, of course it's going to dominate charts for a while. Death Stranding was topping charts as well.

 

[Bonfires Down]

I haven't looked at the threads here but I guess it's the usual suspects getting upset over sjw lesbians or whatever. I don't give a fuck about that drama and it's safe to say that neither does the general public.

 

[T_LVPL]

I dont think anyone says it will flop. It will sell, but the people that buy it might not enjoy it.

There is a difference there that you just seem to be unable to see.

I see the game being hailed by the majority as one of the best games of all time upon its release. We'll see who's right this time next month won't we.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

I love it when people have read the leaks and now feel qualified to review the game before they have even played it

Naughty Dog has a solid track record of success (to put it mildly).

They have one plot point and feel they have the entire story. Imagine for TLJ all the knew was Luke threw away the sabre, but never learned context as to the why etc

 

[M1chl]

My brigade againts this game is solely based on, that I hate wokeness. I have always believed, that it's going to be great seller. I just don't supported, I rather replay og game. Because I have a lot of memories bound to that game. To that time period which it came out and that sort of thing.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Unrelated, since you claim there's no "kliq".

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Speaking of which, you could be a politician, or a lawyer, if you're not one already.
For one thing, predictions were quite higher, well over 700m close to 750m in the U.S.A., 1.7 worldwide. The bleakest predictions claimed 680ish in the USA and 1.5ww.
Also, you love your multipliers but while you mention a 2.8 multiplier during Christmas against no competition whatsoever, you omit the drop.

TLJ started close to TFA, -20m, then there's the record-breaking second week drop, 69 vs TFA's 40 percent against Jumanji, which you make sound like a big deal except it wasn't. TLJ being bad made it into a big deal.

'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Delivers Second Largest Opening Ever

www.boxofficemojo.com

TLJ was dead within four weeks, during holiday season which is the most long-legged. It was dead long before Black Panther.

What actually happened is that TLJ had a huge front-loaded opening because of Luke, word got out quick it was a funeral for SW, people still needed a movie to watch and that helped Jumanji, that's it.
Then, Disney hoped Asia would make up for it, except either word got also to China, or they didn't like TFA as much as the west did, or possibly both.

And yes, it was definitely a Battlefield and Ghostbusters situation, aka people put in charge of a big franchise thinking they could do and say whatever they wanted forever and ever.
When you say "this is The Last Jedi of Series" it is not meant as a compliment.

The funeral for star wars happened with episodes 1/2/3. And people took what happened to Luke way to seriously, its not like they never explained it. They told us why Luke was broken etc and it was actually a pretty good plot point as to why he cut himself off to thr force. Problem
Is just because your a fan and have a favourite character doesnt mean they are untouchable to certain things such as death, emotions, vulnerability etc

 

[odd_hatch]

I love it when people have read the leaks and now feel qualified to review the game before they have even played it

Naughty Dog has a solid track record of success (to put it mildly).

It doesn't take a special qualification to understand a story. This is game of thrones season 4 bad. This is a "Did you like the first game? F** you!" kind of crap.

But I guess bad publicity is still publicity.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

i cri evrytiem

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Unrelated, since you claim there's no "kliq".

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Speaking of which, you could be a politician, or a lawyer, if you're not one already.
For one thing, predictions were quite higher, well over 700m close to 750m in the U.S.A., 1.7 worldwide. The bleakest predictions claimed 680ish in the USA and 1.5ww.
Also, you love your multipliers but while you mention a 2.8 multiplier during Christmas against no competition whatsoever, you omit the drop.

TLJ started close to TFA, -20m, then there's the record-breaking second week drop, 69 vs TFA's 40 percent against Jumanji, which you make sound like a big deal except it wasn't. TLJ being bad made it into a big deal.

'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Delivers Second Largest Opening Ever

www.boxofficemojo.com

TLJ was dead within four weeks, during holiday season which is the most long-legged. It was dead long before Black Panther.

What actually happened is that TLJ had a huge front-loaded opening because of Luke, word got out quick it was a funeral for SW, people still needed a movie to watch and that helped Jumanji, that's it.
Then, Disney hoped Asia would make up for it, except either word got also to China, or they didn't like TFA as much as the west did, or possibly both.

And yes, it was definitely a Battlefield and Ghostbusters situation, aka people put in charge of a big franchise thinking they could do and say whatever they wanted forever and ever.
When you say "this is The Last Jedi of Series" it is not meant as a compliment.

No competition? I listed its competition, weird you're choosing to ignore that. There were two other breakout hits that Christmas that were incredibly profitable. One of them grossed close to 1 billion worldwide, in what way is that not competition? Especially considering the audience overlap.

TFA wasn't against Jumanji, TLJ is. TFA was against Daddy's Home which has far less audience overlap than Jumanji had, it also grossed nowhere near what Jumanjin did. Besides weekends where films like Black Panther came out TLJ had lower than 50% drops all the way into April. I wouldn't call that "dead". Overall TFA did better but not better than A New Hope did than Empire, or Phantom Menace did than Attack of the Clones... the middle entry of Star Wars trilogies always does worst except the sequel trilogy, this is the first time a trilogy ender did the worst. That's word of mouth. The Chinese have never been big Star Wars fans, The Force Awakens is one of the only billion dollar movies to have nearly half its grosses in America, The only other film in the top 10 worldwide grossers with even 40% domestic is Avengers.

You think TLJ ended up how it did because of the people in charge and not Rian Johnson's artistic vision? Johnson has said in multiple interviews he wouldn't change a thing about the film, was he lying? And again, the disparity between TLJ and BFV/Ghostbusters is TLJ is actually popular, well received and successful. It's only similarity is people upset with it, but that's true of many things. Polarizing media has always existed, TLJ is just one of the few examples where those against it want you to believe they're the majority.

 

[Hostile_18]

It doesn't take a special qualification to understand a story. This is game of thrones season 4 bad. This is a "Did you like the first game? F** you!" kind of crap.

But I guess bad publicity is still publicity.

People try to give Naughty Dog games a retrospectively bad opinion for the last few years now yet they also launch with amazing review scores and amazing sales.

People unfortunately have agendas and its "cool" to hate on something popular. Look how good CDPR are and they still got bad press late last year.

I want to know nothing about the leaks but even theoretically if the whole story was laid out and in your opinion it sounded poor without context and actually playing it you cant objectively say it's a bad game or a SJW forced agenda game etc.

I go by the past games and have absolutely no problem with their stories. Until they fuck up I'll give Naughty Dog the benefit of the doubt, at the very least they have earned that.

Approach with caution if you've got concerns but dont write off a new game by one of the best developers in the world because of one story leak.

 

[Paracelsus]

No competition? I listed its competition, weird you're choosing to ignore that. There were two other breakout hits that Christmas that were incredibly profitable. One of them grossed close to 1 billion worldwide, in what way is that not competition? Especially considering the audience overlap.

Spoiler

I actually addressed it. TLJ being garbage helped Jumanji. SW should be bulletproof, TFA played it safe and was rewarded, TLJ insulted the audience and got punished.

Besides weekends where films like Black Panther came out TLJ had lower than 50% drops all the way into April. I wouldn't call that "dead".

It was dead long before Black Panther. Stop defending Disney unless you got stocks in the goddamn company.

Overall TFA did better but not better than A New Hope did than Empire, or Phantom Menace did than Attack of the Clones..

They didn't have the same massive opening as the first entry and the same drop as TLJ. 69% drop = it was garbage and people heard of it. It's been two years, come on.

The Force Awakens is one of the only billion dollar movies to have nearly half its grosses in America, The only other film in the top 10 worldwide grossers with even 40% domestic is Avengers.

Then Asia heard TLJ was bad, there is really no other explanation. Kennedy sucks, she was always the biggest problem.

And again, the disparity between TLJ and BFV/Ghostbusters is TLJ is actually popular,

Infamous. "It's the TLJ" of something = they destroyed it in a way that cannot be fixed, ever.

well received and successful.

The media? That's actually where the whole "reviews are meaningless because they love when a series is destroyed" thing got started. That's literally what people are referring to when mentioning TLOU2.
As for sales, most were in the opening where people didn't know, again the same thing people refer to when mentioning TLJ. You scam people when they don't know, then the damage is permanent.

It's only similarity is people upset with it, but that's true of many things. Polarizing media has always existed, TLJ is just one of the few examples where those against it want you to believe they're the majority.

It's a bad movie that did the unthinkable: it hurt a billion dollar 40 years old bulletproof product in the era of corporate asskissing consumerism, a franchise that survived the prequels couldn't survive TLJ.

tl;dr you won't retcon TLJ as a misunderstood masterpiece, it's a piece of crap that ruined SW. This isn't even about TLOU2 anymore, it's getting really ridiculous.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Spoiler

I actually addressed it. TLJ being garbage helped Jumanji. SW should be bulletproof, TFA played it safe and was rewarded, TLJ insulted the audience and got punished.



It was dead long before Black Panther. Stop defending Disney unless you got stocks in the goddamn company.



They didn't have the same massive opening as the first entry and the same drop as TLJ. 69% drop = it was garbage and people heard of it. It's been two years, come on.



Then Asia heard TLJ was bad, there is really no other explanation. Kennedy sucks, she was always the biggest problem.



Infamous. "It's the TLJ" of something = they destroyed it in a way that cannot be fixed, ever.



The media? That's actually where the whole "reviews are meaningless because they love when a series is destroyed" thing got started. That's literally what people are referring to when mentioning TLOU2.
As for sales, most were in the opening where people didn't know, again the same thing people refer to when mentioning TLJ. You scam people when they don't know, then the damage is permanent.



It's a bad movie that did the unthinkable: it hurt a billion dollar 40 years old bulletproof product in the era of corporate asskissing consumerism, a franchise that survived the prequels couldn't survive TLJ.

tl;dr you won't retcon TLJ as a misunderstood masterpiece, it's a piece of crap that ruined SW. This isn't even about TLOU2 anymore, it's getting really ridiculous.

Or Jumanji was going to be successful either way and bled TLJ's audience, certainly took more from TLJ than Daddy's Home did TFA. I like the idea that playing it safe is apparently the right move in your view? Tell me did Empire Strikes Back play it safe? If I had stocks wouldn't they have already paid off on this? Also the longer term the graph the more it lies, notice the trend wasn't downward either, it was still rising just more slightly in comparison, if you zeroe'd in on the weeks past the OW you'd get a different curve, statistics are often used to mislead like this. Again, if percentage difference between entries is so important than you'd need to agree that empire Strikes Back was considered garbage.

How is there no other explanation? What if the Chinese just didn't like TFA and therefore weren't hyped for the next entry? It's not like TFA lit the Chinese box office on fire. 124 million is a far cry from something like the prior year's Transformers: Age of Exctinction which made 301 million, are we going to pretend Chinese box office is a determination of quality and recognize Age of Extinction as a masterpiece or admit that Chinese box office doesn't mean much?

I've actually never heard "it's the TLJ of x" until TLOU II.

When they don't know what? You mean opening weekend crowds gave it high cinemascores and critics gave it high reviews because they didn't know they were supposed to hate it?

The franchise hasn't survived TLJ? It's probably going to survive even ROS, new entries are still in the works and the Disney+ stuff has been doing very well.

It's not a retcon, the fact is the drop from TFA to TLJ is representative of divisiveness but not of a majority having a problem with it. In fact it has a less steep drop between entries than A New Hope to Empire, how do you reconcile that fact?

 

[plushyp]

I never thought a video game would have so many feathers ruffled . Some of y'all need help bruh. It's a video game

 

[OliverKahn]

lol

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

It doesn't take a special qualification to understand a story. This is game of thrones season 4 bad. This is a "Did you like the first game? F** you!" kind of crap.

But I guess bad publicity is still publicity.

Game of thrones you had an entire season for context to why its bad, now your just cherry picking moments that leaked to declare its bad with no actual plot, story or context.

thats like me saying Citizen Kane was ass because it was leaked that Rosebud washis sleigh. However looking deeper into the movie by actually watching it and getting the story gives us the context and major monents we need to find the inner workings of great story telling of a man whose love for his mother he never lost and it made him remember a simpler time which was his childhood before the responsibility came.

 

[Jbomb19]

I see you already have the goalposts set for either way.

Nice forward thinking on your part.

Literally just took what people have posted in this thread already about reviews, but go off, I guess.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

The only thing that bothered me about that deep dive trailer a while back wasn't the kiss but when Ellie said "I'm just a girl" why would she say that? there wasn't any sarcastic tone to her voice so if it was meant as a joke it sure didn't come across like one. With everything she has been through and done the last thing she's going to say is "I'm just a girl, nobody is scared of me" now maybe there is more to that scene and it'll make more sense later but it pissed me off when I originally saw the trailer.

triggered. lol. Im just a girl, not a threat. It's a double-entendre. You got one half of it. She's nothing to be jealous about, because she doesnt have a chance, cause shes lesbian. Ellie is assuming Dina is straight. They should be terrified because she can get bitches, and because shes a murderous psychopath like Joel.

My brigade againts this game is solely based on, that I hate wokeness. I have always believed, that it's going to be great seller. I just don't supported, I rather replay og game. Because I have a lot of memories bound to that game. To that time period which it came out and that sort of thing.

At least someone is honest to themselves. The worst one ive heard "Joe's **** is so disrespectful, why cant he have a hero's ****?". That shit is corny. Do they know how many people wanna kill Joel? David's Camp probably want him in their next soup.

Its funny how these people dont know how many gay characters there are in The Last of Us. #WOKE The whole story is about how Ellie saved Joel. She isnt a damsel in distress. #WOKE. Bill had a bad break up with his partner, he has gay porno mags. #WOKE Marlene didnt have the heart to kill Joel twice, hes a murderous psychopath #GOLF

 

[Hissing Sid]

 

[Explosive Zombie]

lol

Not sure I get the joke, they're hourly results and that's a decent deal on a headset.

 

[odd_hatch]

Game of thrones you had an entire season for context to why its bad, now your just cherry picking moments that leaked to declare its bad with no actual plot, story or context.

thats like me saying Citizen Kane was ass because it was leaked that Rosebud washis sleigh. However looking deeper into the movie by actually watching it and getting the story gives us the context and major monents we need to find the inner workings of great story telling of a man whose love for his mother he never lost and it made him remember a simpler time which was his childhood before the responsibility came.

Imagine you got the news that your family was murdered, but then they add "don't be sad, you gotta know the context".

There's no context that will make that conclusion sound good.

 

[Vindicator]

Can't wait to get my cheap used copy some time after release.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Imagine you got the news that your family was murdered, but then they add "don't be sad, you gotta know the context".

There's no context that will make that conclusion sound good.

You might be taking the events in a video game too personally, then.

 

[and 3 others]

So...why did Sony refund my preorder last week then!?

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Imagine you got the news that your family was murdered, but then they add "don't be sad, you gotta know the context".

There's no context that will make that conclusion sound good.

Did you just compare family members to fictional characters....? What kind of comparison is that? Thats not accurate at all.
A better comparison would have been your on a jury and the prosecuter tells you someone is a murdered but you have yet to hear the defence on if its actually true or not. Aka context within the story and events.
Within the game though context provides closure? Maybe something bad happened to this character and they seek revenge. That would be actual good story telling. That the results of the first game leak into and have a ripple effect into the next one. Thats having a cohesive narrative and not throwing something out of left field, like "well Ellie was captured again, joel has to save her again"

 

[Jbomb19]

Conversely, low scores will have you decrying how critics caved in to the Alt-right, right? High-scores will mean critics stood up bravely and courageously for Representation.

This petty game of yours can be played by anyone else and more competently so.

This, of course, from you, who cannot define Oppression, can't explain what it is in today's world, to whom it is happening and who is enacting it out, but nevertheless won't tire of talking about it.

Yes, talk is cheap.
Yours is from Dollar Tee, right?

honey, its not up to me to teach you about oppression and who the marginalize groups are in our society. But I'm excited you wanna learn and expandyour viewpoint! Maybe start here? It's a really interesting study.

I'm sure there will be well thought out good reviews, well thought out bad reviews, as well as good/bad reviews that are biased. But lots of people on this forum have already stated that this game will have a high MC simply because critics are supposedly scared of SJW boogeymen. I never made any such claims of the contrary and I don't intent do.

and how dare you insult the good name of the dollar tree, you snobby elitist!!!

 

[Oddvintagechap]

But when some bulletproof series that always sold well gets woke stuff added to it and does like usual, it's totally because of the woke stuff, right?
Why did Battlefield V underperform?
You're like the people blaming ROS instead of TLJ, because ROS "tried to undo" what TLJ did. It wasn't TLJ fault for existing.
When something gets too woke to the point it's impossible to not notice, it tends to underperform.

Battlefield didnt under perform bc of wokeness btw. It was lacking in content. Battle Royale was the rage. It took a whole BR hangover for BFV to launch Firestorm. To say the game failed because some poptarts were upset they included women as a customization choice is hilarious. <3

 

[drganon]

Not all that surprised. The real fun will be when all those people who haven't heard/seen the spoilers get to see it for themselves and start complaining. That will be a salt mine to behold.

 

[siekro1983]

Guys, it's another prophet of the future that in no way will admit he's wrong if he turns out wrong.

No prophet here but I take it people wanted a continuation of Joel and ellie. Not a lesbians love story and the ma'am of us 2. Sorry I'm sure most people dont wanna play as a character that's a freak show.

 

[Jbomb19]

Really? This is a bit disingenuous, given its...diverse...cast of characters and its production values, then of course it's going to receive 9s and 10s across the board. It is most likely going to be a good game, but the wokeness will certainly skew the scores higher than they probably should be, given what type of people will be reviewing it.

lol you literally just proved my point. You already claim the scores will be higher because of "wokeness." you see how you already set up a narrative?

also some of you using the word "woke" in this thread:

 

[njean777]

I am not the biggest TLOU fan, I enjoyed the first one but felt at the end that I was done with the game and that's where the story ends for me. I never played the DLC or anything after. I read the leaks and don't really care for where the story is headed, but more power to anybody that is excited for the game. I wouldn't want to shit on their parade cuz if you enjoy something you should be more than welcome to enjoy it.

 

[DavJay]

ND is loving the free publicity and controversies. Or at least initially...

 

[siekro1983]

Really? This is a bit disingenuous, given its...diverse...cast of characters and its production values, then of course it's going to receive 9s and 10s across the board. It is most likely going to be a good game, but the wokeness will certainly skew the scores higher than they probably should be, given what type of people will be reviewing it.

You might have a few reviewers give this a very low score because of the woke or the very disappointing story. I dont see this scoring as high as part 1.

 

[Javthusiast]

Mainstream isn't aware of any controversies surrounding games. The story elements will possibly create a shitstorm after game is out. If handled well, maybe not at all.

 

[Dee_Dee]

Game was gonna be one of the top selling exclusives regardless of the leaks. WOM...we will see how that goes. Will say this is one of the strangest chain of events for a huge game I've ever seen.
-Release date gets announced
-immediately gets delayed a week later
-gets "indefinitely" delayed
-leaks galore
-day after the leaks, the "indefinite delay" ended up only being like 3 weeks

Fascinating

 

[xrnzaaas]

So...why did Sony refund my preorder last week then!?

It looks to me like Sony wanted to push it further, but because of the leaks it's taking Tsushima's place as the big June release.

 

[B-universe]

honey,

I'm not your honey.
You have me confused with someone standing on the corner of Sunset Boulevard, surely.

its not up to me to teach you about oppression and who the marginalize groups are in our society.

Of course it's not up to you to teach.
To teach you must first know.
And to know it must first exist.

But I'm excited you wanna learn and expandyour viewpoint! Maybe start here? It's a really interesting study.

The linked doc on healthcare doesn't even begin to address the very basic questions you've been naturally asked after the folkloric claims you made. Define oppression. Tell who is doing the oppressing and who is being appressed. Those are very straightforward questions.

Is it too optimistic to expect you to go out of your way and drop the too-cool-for-school attitude and post a cogent paragraph? Surely, out of the many you post, you could spare one line to expand upon and substantiate your claims, no? In your own words and in the appropriate thread?
Deal?

and how dare you insult the good name of the dollar tree, you snobby elitist!!!

Yeah, you're right about that.
I clearly overshot when I associated Dollar Tree with the quality of your posts.
Apologies. to Dollar Tree.

 

[Azurro]

You might have a few reviewers give this a very low score because of the woke or the very disappointing story. I dont see this scoring as high as part 1.

That is a possibility, but I can't find any reputable site that doesn't skew very left, so I think that effect would not be very pronounced.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Theres almost zero competition for tlou 2 for the next 2 month

You already see that May game list posted by Ibiza and it looks crap

June are also the same

Theres no other big game to compete with tlou 2 in June so not surprising to see it topped the chart

Really? My wallet seems hurt. Ghost of tushima on ps4, and on switch trials of mana, xcom2, bioshock col, borderlands col, xenoblade chronicles remastered, and deadly premonition 2.... All pre-ordered by me (double dipping for that sweet portable goodness don't care if they are ports).

That's a lot of mulah for a whole lot of games. Could care less about tlou2 and haven't since Druckmann started spreading woketardness, firing Patron uncharted Saint Amy Henning and being a big Anita fan and sjw, years before any of these leaks came out.

I'll wait for user reviews and if it confirms the bs, I'll stay away. My backlog is 1000± strong, can afford to miss this. Although it sucks as I was major fan of the first back on ps3. I did the same thing with star wars. Was a huge fan of OG and sequels saw tfa but skipped everything else due to blatant ideology and propaganda.

 

[Orpheum]

The collective meltdowns across the internet due to this game are truly a sight to behold. So excited for this! And ghost of tsushima just a month later...holy shit yes.

 

[Jbomb19]

I'm not your honey.
You have me confused with someone standing on the corner of Sunset Boulevard, surely.



Of course it's not up to you to teach.
To teach you must first know.
And to know it must first exist.



The linked doc on healthcare doesn't even begin to address the very basic questions you've been naturally asked after the folkloric claims you made. Define oppression. Tell who is doing the oppressing and who is being appressed. Those are very straightforward questions.

Is it too optimistic to expect you to go out of your way and drop the too-cool-for-school attitude and post a cogent paragraph? Surely, out of the many you post, you could spare one line to expand upon and substantiate your claims, no? In your own words and in the appropriate thread?
Deal?



Yeah, you're right about that.
I clearly overshot when I associated Dollar Tree with the quality of your posts.
Apologies. to Dollar Tree.

that's a lot of words for "No, I didn't read the study."

Listen, my dude. I think it's weird you're asking me to define oppression when you clearly don't think it exists in the first place. Which is an insane mindset, but you were taught that long ago by someone that clearly was an influentqlrole model to you and that's an ingrained bias no one will be able to change. Not a informative article, not a peer-reviewed study and certainly not some random chick like me on a video game forum.

I could copy and paste "oppression" from Websters Dictionary but i thought that would be insulting to your intelligence. Swing and a miss on my part. Instead, i thought showing you a study from professionals in that field would be more beneficial to your education. But you didn't even read it. Cmon man. Do better. Love yourself.

but if you really want me to dumb it down for you, HERE.

and if you need more information on all of this, I think THIS is a pretty good resource.

okay, love you!

 

[Jbomb19]

The collective meltdowns across the internet due to this game are truly a sight to behold. So excited for this! And ghost of tsushima just a month later...holy shit yes.

we are gonna be so spoiled this summer

 

[Hobbygaming]

The collective meltdowns across the internet due to this game are truly a sight to behold. So excited for this! And ghost of tsushima just a month later...holy shit yes.

These 2 games are going to be 2 of the best games this year

 

[MasterDerico]

Ah yes, the loud minority mouth breathers such as youtubers etc following the rightist anti sjw agenda

Mods please link this thread to the White House please......

Ok, but don't hold a flag at my face or made me swallow politic agenda on my entertainment.

Are u happy with this?

Mods, link this thread to hairy armpits.

 

[B-universe]

that's a lot of words for "No, I didn't read the study."

Translation: "I will not back the claims I keep making".
There's still time for you to summarize the study, in your own words, so to answer the three questions I've asked you.

Listen, my dude.

Again, I'm not your dude.

I think it's weird you're asking me to define oppression when you clearly don't think it exists in the first place.

That would depend on how you define it, wouldn't it?
How would I know if it exists if you yourself can't even define it?
I can't read minds and you can't be bothered to define it. So how do you expect me to believe it exists?

Which is an insane mindset, but you were taught that long ago by someone that clearly was an influentqlrole model to you and that's an ingrained bias no one will be able to change.

Ah, you're an amateur psychologist in your spare hours. You know those online degrees aren't legit, right?

All of this to avoid defining terms. All of this to avoid definitions like the plague. Would it burn your hands to answer those three basic questions?

Not a informative article, not a peer-reviewed study and certainly not some random chick like me on a video game forum.

There's a strange heterogony in that enumeration, like your opinion and a peer-reviewed paper were on equal footing. But you can summarize the article(s) to answer three very simple questions. I'm not asking for lengthy studies. Brief answers will do. One sentence, tops. Let's give this one last try (and you can and should take this to the appropriate thread

1. What is oppression in today's world?
2. Who is doing the oppressing in today's world?
3. Who is being oppressed in today's world?

Third time's a charm.

I could copy and paste "oppression" from Websters Dictionary but i thought that would be insulting to your intelligence.

You used the term multiple times.
Surrey, you can paraphrase, can use your own words?
Or is it the case you don't want to be pinned down to a definition you wouldn't be able to support? Surely, you had something, anything, in mind when you typed, no?

Swing and a miss on my part. Instead, i thought showing you a study from professionals in that field

Give me your understanding of the studies, your understanding o f the term "Oppression" and its application to today's world by answering those three basic questions.

would be more beneficial to your education. But you didn't even read it. Cmon man. Do better. Love yourself.

but if you really want me to dumb it down for you, HERE.

and if you need more information on all of this, I think THIS is a pretty good resource.

okay, love you!

The dread three simple questions inflict. You spent all 6 paragraphs, when you could have just answered. You could have, yet you didn't.

That's the takeaway.
You could. Yet you didn't.

Remember: You Will Be Called Out.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Ok, but don't hold a flag at my face or made me swallow politic agenda on my entertainment.

Are u happy with this?

Mods, link this thread to hairy armpits.

All games have politics in them your noticing it because its something you dont agree with personally and you know thats fine, but dont be oblivious to the fact that game past and present didnt have some sort of agenda generally. Like metal gear was very anti pmc, anti gun etc

 

[Explosive Zombie]

No prophet here but I take it people wanted a continuation of Joel and ellie. Not a lesbians love story and the ma'am of us 2. Sorry I'm sure most people dont wanna play as a character that's a freak show.

Ah yes, classic entitlement and close-mindedness, the best critics always come into a piece of media with these attitudes.

 

[Golgo 13]

Yeah, on the yearly chart it will be behind games that actually released. Lots of gamers don't actually pre-order things, it's why games have huge opening weekends. It will be interesting to look at the 2020 yearly chart post-launch.



Probably because TLJ fans also hated ROS. You guys might want to paint it like TLJ ruined the franchise but it had at least as many fans as haters, it was polarizing, not despised and made enough money both in theaters and video to secure the idea people generally liked it. Why do we blame poor performance of a follow up on the film from before anyways? Are we really taking everything away from word of mouth for that film and its marketing? ROS is the only Sequel trilogy entry without a 3x multiplier in America, for instance, that's word of mouth. Why did TLJ still do 3x it's OW if word of mouth was as bad as you guys make out? You can say it did worse than TFA but that film didn't quite hit a 4x multiplier so wasn't this huge leap above it, it also arguably had far less competition considering the break-out success of Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, the incredible legs of The Greatest Showman and then the juggernaut of Black Panther killing its tail end in a way TFA didn't need to deal with. There are so many factors at play and the question will always linger if the noisy internet minority was just that... a minority. To me it's an easily answered question, I would have expected the film to have tanked on video had the internet mob been correct but it's #28 on the all-time blu charts. It can't be compared to the female Ghostbusters or Battlefield V in good faith.



From me? Or are you agreeing with me? That said I wasn't referring to system wars type of coping, I didn't get the idea people wishing this franchise to fail were console warriors so much as people upset about how allegedly "woke" the game will be (with no self awareness that Druckman's personal politics filled both TLOU and Uncharted 4 as well, incredibly well received and high selling games).

I was saying that the people who wish this game were to fail without blatantly saying so were basically System Wars children who are able to mask their bias just enough to dodge bans (for now).

And I don't think it has to do with politics, it's all "my shiny plastic box is better than your shiny plastic box" bullshit.