Sony Catches The Last of Us 2 Leakers (NO SPOILERS)

This is like a certain series of death threats that allegedly (= they never) happened in the past.
We get the names and the proof it's going to court: it's real. We don't get the names and it's all vague: they're lying.
 
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Alright, just so I have this straight in my head:

  1. TLoU 2 gets leaked months before release due to a supposed pay dispute between Sony, ND and its employees, due to crunch culture and abysmal working conditions, etc, reflecting poorly on Sony and the studio.
  2. Sony comes out a week after the leaks and states this person wasn't affiliated with the company or developer whatsoever, effectively absolving them of any responsibility and bad PR that the rationale for the leak presents.
And I'm supposed to take Sony's word on this as gospel? Considering that Sony is the source clarifying something that a bit too conveniently works against a narrative that doesn't paint them in the most flattering of lights as of late should be met with a mountain of salt. This reeks to me of Sony taking a lemon and turning it into lemonade. Who knows if it's true or not, but that Sony looks to benefit from it doesn't have me giving them the benefit of the doubt on this.
 
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PanzerAzel said:
Alright, just so I have this straight in my head:

  1. TLoU 2 gets leaked months before release due to a supposed pay dispute between Sony, ND and its employees, due to crunch culture and abysmal working conditions, etc, reflecting poorly on Sony and the studio.
  2. Sony comes out a week after the leaks and states this person wasn't affiliated with the company or developer whatsoever, effectively absolving them of any responsibility and bad PR that the rationale for the leak presents.
And I'm supposed to take Sony's word on this as gospel? Considering that Sony is the source clarifying something that a bit too conveniently works against a narrative that doesn't paint them in the most flattering of lights as of late should be met with a mountain of salt. This reeks to me of Sony taking a lemon and turning it into lemonade. Who knows if it's true or not, but that Sony looks to benefit from it doesn't have me giving them the benefit of the doubt on this.
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Who was the source for Number 1 in your post?
 
Does it really matter if it was directly from ND or a contractor? This really seems like Sony and Naughty Dog are trying to safe face and fight the working conditions allegations. They probably care more about those reports than the leaks to be honest.
 
This leak is unlike anything i've ever seen regarding video game leaks that i don't believe Sony at all. I'm more inclined to believe that the Leaker/s are or were part of Naughty Dog/Sony.
 
I hope that the responsable for the leaking gets the right punishment. Its not fair working on something for 5,6,7 years only for someone spoils all your work.
 
Ok I've been thinking about this, if it isn't a Naught Dog/Sony employee as they say, what does that say about your security?

If they can't keep full gameplay and spoilers under wraps, for an unreleased game, what is their security doing for your account and info?

This is not something I would admit as a company. We can't keep our shit safe, but trust us with yours, we will do better.

I promise.

I think the disturbed contractor would have been the better story to go with.
 
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If the material wasn't sourced in an illegal manner and no contractual agreement broken e.g. NDA, then what can Sony do? It isn't as if they will come out and use potential financial loss due to the reaction of the plot. That's a Streisand effect right there.

If the leaks were sourced criminally then authorities will be involved and the cat will come out of the bag.
 
Sony should pause for a second and think why many were quick to assume the pay and working conditions leak explanation was correct.

The reputation of ND is incredibly low right now as an employer. We know they struggle to recruit and quite a few have jumped ship.

If I was HH fixing ND would be a number 1 priority.
 
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Lol Sony is lying through their teeth. No fucking way footage like that and basically the entire plot was "hacked" you have to be working on the inside to have that kind of raw footage. Sony is in full damage control. If he really wasn't from the company they would given his identity
 
Is the title to this thread incorrect? No one has been caught as that'd require them being identified (which hasn't been done). Saying who it ISN'T doesn't "catch" someone.
 
Yoda said:
Is the title to this thread incorrect? No one has been caught as that'd require them being identified (which hasn't been done). Saying who it ISN'T doesn't "catch" someone.
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That entirely depends on what outcome is if this is criminal matter if so till formal chargers are brought you wont here the name. Even then if its someone below age 18 in many countries there name is only identified if a judge allows it.
 
Jayjayhd34 said:
That entirely depends on what outcome is if this is criminal matter if so till formal chargers are brought you wont here the name. Even then if its someone below age 18 in many countries there name is only identified if a judge allows it.
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Unless I'm missing it, no one is claiming criminal charges here? That'd require an entity w/the ability prosecute such things to tell us something like that is underway (not Sony/ND).
 
Yoda said:
Unless I'm missing it, no one is claiming criminal charges here? That'd require an entity w/the ability prosecute such things to tell us something like that is underway (not Sony/ND).
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All we know is this '' : Sony has confirmed to GamesIndustry.biz that it has identified the primary individuals responsible for the leaks earlier this weeks, ''

No one knows what offences they committed and if they where civil or criminal. These people could be living in country with no extradition laws etc so we might never here anything of it.
 
Jayjayhd34 said:
All we know is this '' : Sony has confirmed to GamesIndustry.biz that it has identified the primary individuals responsible for the leaks earlier this weeks, ''

No one knows what offences they committed and if they where civil or criminal. These people could be living in country with no extradition laws etc so we might never here anything of it.
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The point being no one has been proven to be caught, taking Sony's word for it when they offer no proof doesn't seem correct here, as it's an outcome which quells the PR problems they are current suffering.
 
Sounds like a bunch of assholes. I wonder what their reason for leaking was? They obviously wanted to hurt ND in some way.

I'm conflicted because on the one hand I feel sorry for ND getting hacked and on the other I am unhappy and disappointed with what TLOU2 ended up being and it went from my most anticipated game since RDR2 to.. maybe I'll wait for the multiplayer.
 
replicant- said:
Sony should pause for a second and think why many were quick to assume the pay and working conditions leak explanation was correct.

The reputation of ND is incredibly low right now as an employer. We know they struggle to recruit and quite a few have jumped ship.

If I was HH fixing ND would be a number 1 priority.
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watch for the PR photo soon of everybody looking happy
 
The "ND got hacked" line of thinking is complete bullshit and you'd have to be total retard to buy into it. Even if someone were to gain access to their development server (very unlikely) whoever had access to the files isn't going to be able to compile a build of the game.

Based on the variety of languages that appear in the leaked videos it's pretty clear that the leak happened somewhere in the localization process. Does ND use a third party for some of these localizations? I'm almost sure they do, and there's your answer. It also let's Sony/ND make the claim that it wasn't one of their employees since technically it wasn't.
 
you people really belive that sony and naughty dog are telling the truth.it was an employee sony is just trying to damage control
 
3liteDragon said:
Apparently, this guy's a QA tester with first-hand info directly from a source at Naughty Dog (LONG THREAD).
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So a "hacker" got access to ND servers, found the source code of tlou2, found a ps4 dev kit, compiled it without specific library of ND, used the debug menus, fixed certain checkpoints, spoiled the most important parts of the story, and he's not a dev?

Talented fucking hacker.
 
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Sony has confirmed to GamesIndustry.biz that it has identified the primary individuals responsible for the leaks earlier this weeks, saying they were not affiliated with Sony Interactive Entertainment or Naughty Dog, as was rumored.
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So, they only confirmed it to GamesIndustry.biz? Really? Is there a press release or any other info? Or did they only confirm this to GamesIndustry.biz?
 
Tamy said:
So, they only confirmed it to GamesIndustry.biz? Really? Is there a press release or any other info? Or did they only confirm this to GamesIndustry.biz?
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They only confirmed it to Gamesindustry.biz for some weird reason, then Duckmann in turn retweeted that news article immediately in a weird fashion like GamesIndustry had done an investigation on the matter and that was the end of it.
 
This feels like damage control and disinformation. That explanation about AWS keys and using a PS4 dev kit to download the entire development build, it sounds ridiculous and raises many more questions.
 
I seem to think that IT security had to be relaxed in a rush to get workers working remotely from home.

When you start thinking about how you share game code and assets across the internet instead of a corporate network there brings the possibilities of data breaches. It could've been internal or someone now having access external. Question seems to be whether the footage is captured from running code on a system or they are saved video files being used to share project data to workers instead of workers having to re-download full version for every iteration.

Covid has brought extreme security risks for businesses considering IT. I very well can consider it possible that data was accessed by external parties. But I did see someone stating that it looked like a very experienced player playing the game.
 
EHuntingon said:
This feels like damage control and disinformation. That explanation about AWS keys and using a PS4 dev kit to download the entire development build, it sounds ridiculous and raises many more questions.
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lot of stuff are going into the cloud and work with keys like that now.
 
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I've detailed this elsewhere but the fact is the leaked footage comes from well over 20 distinctly different builds of the game, with virtually no instances of multiple pieces of video being drawn from the same build.

Because of this I highly doubt anyone outside of ND had executable code, just video files. Furthermore I doubt it was an "inside job" because frankly someome on the inside would have obscured the build info to protect their identity, not to mention that the leaked material itself is incredibly scattershot.
 
Kagey K said:
Ok I've been thinking about this, if it isn't a Naught Dog/Sony employee as they say, what does that say about your security?

If they can't keep full gameplay and spoilers under wraps, for an unreleased game, what is their security doing for your account and info?

This is not something I would admit as a company. We can't keep our shit safe, but trust us with yours, we will do better.

I promise.

I think the disturbed contractor would have been the better story to go with.
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Remember that year Microsoft's whole E3 conference leaked

Things happen 🤷‍♂️
 
Bloody Knuckles said:
Problem is though it's due to hacking, also people can push for spoilers but then like neogaf people didn't have common sense and spoiled out for people who didn't want to know.
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I like a good story twist as much as the next guy, but irl twists are way more interesting. IMO, someone not participating in this is missing out. So what I am saying is, they are doing people a favour. :messenger_ogre:
 
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joe_zazen said:
I like a good story twist as much as the next guy, but irl twists are way more interesting. IMO, someone not participating in this is missing out. So what I am saying is, they are doing people a favour. :messenger_ogre:
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While I dislike I was spoiled it will give me more time to digest what i am watching in the moment and get a grip of what emotions I have due to knowing early however the lack of surprise sure does suck
 
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