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[Jbomb19]

Translation: "I will not back the claims I keep making".
There's still time for you to summarize the study, in your own words, so to answer the three questions I've asked you.



Again, I'm not your dude.



That would depend on how you define it, wouldn't it?
How would I know if it exists if you yourself can't even define it?
I can't read minds and you can't be bothered to define it. So how do you expect me to believe it exists?



Ah, you're an amateur psychologist in your spare hours. You know those online degrees aren't legit, right?

All of this to avoid defining terms. All of this to avoid definitions like the plague. Would it burn your hands to answer those three basic questions?



There's a strange heterogony in that enumeration, like your opinion and a peer-reviewed paper were on equal footing. But you can summarize the article(s) to answer three very simple questions. I'm not asking for lengthy studies. Brief answers will do. One sentence, tops. Let's give this one last try (and you can and should take this to the appropriate thread

1. What is oppression in today's world?
2. Who is doing the oppressing in today's world?
3. Who is being oppressed in today's world?

Third time's a charm.



You used the term multiple times.
Surrey, you can paraphrase, can use your own words?
Or is it the case you don't want to be pinned down to a definition you wouldn't be able to support? Surely, you had something, anything, in mind when you typed, no?



Give me your understanding of the studies, your understanding o f the term "Oppression" and its application to today's world by answering those three basic questions.



The dread three simple questions inflict. You spent all 6 paragraphs, when you could have just answered. You could have, yet you didn't.

That's the takeaway.
You could. Yet you didn't.

Remember: You Will Be Called Out.

Too many words bad. Video games good.

also please tell me you clicked on my second link lol

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I was saying that the people who wish this game were to fail without blatantly saying so were basically System Wars children who are able to mask their bias just enough to dodge bans (for now).

And I don't think it has to do with politics, it's all "my shiny plastic box is better than your shiny plastic box" bullshit.

I think that element exists, it's weird Gears 5 wasn't controversial for having you play as a female lead, for instance, or how all the marketing focused on her as well. The big XBOX exclusive on the horizon, Hellblade 2 is also female-fronted. A lot of people at least claim to be attached to Joel and Ellie, though, and are mad about

Spoiler

their treatment. Which kinda confuses me because they're not action heroes, they were stars of a drama. Not only that the original TLOU began with a sequence specifically designed to make you realize no one was safe.

Another part of it was fueled by a false 4chan summary of the game that to this day some people still believe. But console wars are increasingly political, just like with politics "my guy doing it is okay, your guy doing it is bad" with all the lame justifications for why such hypocrisy is okay so you could be right. Personally I consider myself detached enough from console wars it doesn't play a true factor. In fact I don't currently own a console, I'm a PC gamer who is considering getting a PS5 at launch (for the games not coming to PC). And I'm still waiting for Switch to get Metroid Prime 4 to bother with it.

 

[B-universe]

I love it when people have read the leaks and now feel qualified to review the game before they have even played it

Naughty Dog has a solid track record of success (to put it mildly).

Yes, if they were here singing Psalms to Naughty Dog that objection wouldn't be raised, would it? It's only a problem when one's being critical. If one praises the Dear Director, then no problemo.

It's hysterical, the notion that after several trailers, extensive previews, bullet point story structure and one hour and a half of leaked footage which includes pivotal moments, gamers are being told they can't possibly make their minds. Developers release 30-minute gameplay demos and gamers are indeed expected to reach an informed decision as to whether they'll buy the game or not.

30-minutes of official promo material are apparently enough to reach an informed decision, but 90 minutes of leaked material with key story beats just won't cut it.

Makes proper sense.

For the record, I loved TLoU2 trailers. Think the game looks beautiful and that there's still a chance the story will make sense.

 

[Hostile_18]

Yes, if they were here singing Psalms to Naughty Dog that objection wouldn't be raised, would it? It's only a problem when one's being critical. If one praises the Dear Director, then no problemo.

It's hysterical, the notion that after several trailers, extensive previews, bullet point story structure and one hour and a half of leaked footage which includes pivotal moments, gamers are being told they can't possibly make their minds. Developers release 30-minute gameplay demos and gamers are indeed expected to reach an informed decision as to whether they'll buy the game or not.

30-minutes of official promo material are apparently enough to reach an informed decision, but 90 minutes of leaked material with key story beats just won't cut it.

Makes proper sense.

For the record, I loved TLoU2 trailers. Think the game looks beautiful and that there's still a chance the story will make sense.

Yes, because the takes we've seen from the leaks are all well thought out rational critiques

There is nothing wrong with having concerns but to reach a damning verdict before the game is even out is ridiculous.

 

[B-universe]

Yes, because the takes we've seen from the leaks are all well thought out rational critiques

There is nothing wrong with having concerns but to reach a damning verdict before the game is even out is ridiculous.

Let me repeat: Two trailers, countless journalistic previews, detailed t story structure and 90 minutes of leaked footage aren't enough to form an informed decision?

When was the last time a AAA developer gave you 90 minutes of footage with pivotal story beats for you to ruminate?

That's right, never.

Reaching a verdict doesn't seem to be what's bothering you.
Reaching a damning verdict, well, that does.

 

[Hostile_18]

Let me repeat: Two trailers, countless journalistic previews, detailed t story structure and 90 minutes of leaked footage aren't enough to form an informed decision?

When was the last time a AAA developer gave you 90 minutes of footage with pivotal story beats for you to ruminate?

That's right, never.

Reaching a verdict doesn't seem to be what's bothering you.
Reaching a damning verdict, well, that does.

90 minutes out of context in a 15+ hour story game? Can you judge a movie by seeing a random few chapters or its officially released trailers?

Like I say you can pick up enthusiasm or concern from the above but you can't reach an informed, objective opinion about the finished product IMO.

 

[Hostile_18]

Snip

Ffs stop hinting at things that happen or you'll find yourself banned. Thanks for spoiling that if its true...

 

[Hostile_18]

Snip

Hope that's worth nuking your account for. I'm out of this thread. Not having any more spoilt.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Spoiler trash

Totally untrue hopefully this, ll be end of you on this forum

 

[Arachnid]

90 minutes out of context in a 15+ hour story game? Can you judge a movie by seeing a random few chapters or its officially released trailers?

There have been plenty of times where the trailer gave away the entire movie. That's actually a huge pet peeve of mine, and it always ruins the movie for me (whether the movie is good or bad).

Also, how much of that 15+ hrs is story related cutscenes and how much is the gameplay loop we've already seen? All the cutscenes in the first game totaled 93 minutes.

EDIT: To the people above, be careful about your wording. You don't want to spoil for others.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Spoiler trash

Not people wanting to avoid spoilers.... boy you lacked oxygen at birth didnt you

 

[siekro1983]

Not people wanting to avoid spoilers.... boy you lacked oxygen at birth didnt you

its very minor detail that doesn't change or spoil anything about the story or ruin it for anyone except whiny little bitches like you.

 

[The Scrivener]

Isn't it a spoiler to reveal that it's #1 in the pre-order charts?

 

[Hostile_18]

Snip

Your an absolute dickhead, only a matter of time till your banned now.

Thanks for ruining my most anticipated game... thankfully only marginally.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Spoiler trash

ill say it again cause clearly you lack evidence, show me evidence she is a trans?
does stupid run in your family or are you the first?

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Your an absolute dickhead, only a matter of time till your banned now.

Thanks for ruining my most anticipated game... thankfully only marginally.

Hey theres lots more you dont know about and just so you know he is false because ive seen the leaks. Keep that head up im just as excited as you. TLOU was my fav game last gen.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Your an absolute dickhead, only a matter of time till your banned now.

Thanks for ruining my most anticipated game... thankfully only marginally.

It's not true he's just trolling trying make people look at leaks....

 

[Hostile_18]

There have been plenty of times where the trailer gave away the entire movie. That's actually a huge pet peeve of mine, and it always ruins the movie for me (whether the movie is good or bad).

Also, how much of that 15+ hrs is story related cutscenes and how much is the gameplay loop we've already seen? All the cutscenes in the first game totaled 93 minutes.

EDIT: To the people above, be careful about your wording. You don't want to spoil for others.

Yeah I hear you, that's why I don't watch movie trailers for something I have a very good idea I'll like. The type of gamer/tv show viewer I am you can pick so much apart from even the tiniest scene. That's why making a trailer is so hard. On one side you want to show the best work on the other you don't want to give too much away either. But then if you dont want to give too much away (which is admirable) you may not be giving someone a accurate image of what type of movie/game their buying into.

Its definitely an interesting topic.

 

[Azurro]

UMM last of us 2 will get over 100 reviews, just look at youtube tons of videos of how naughty dog destroyed the series. there are a ton of things fans won't like about part 2. it's porn violence, sjw...

I mean, I'm sure a lot of people will complain, they are already but when it comes to mainstream sites or sites big enough to count in metacritic, I think just the fact that you play as ... certain type of character can only boost its rating. It's the virtuous thing to do, afterall.

The reviews where people dock points from it will stay on YouTube and the user ratings section, but just like Star Wars, I only expect the effect of the SJW agenda and design to be felt fully in the third installment, it will have a limited effect on this one.

 

[Hostile_18]

It's not true he's just trolling trying make people look at leaks....

Thanks Jayjayhd34 Bloody Knuckles

You have to be so careful these days. I'm so excited but the game is so far out, it's a landmine

 

[siekro1983]

I mean, I'm sure a lot of people will complain, they are already but when it comes to mainstream sites or sites big enough to count in metacritic, I think just the fact that you play as ... diversity... character can only boost its rating. It's the virtuous thing to do, afterall.

The reviews where people dock points from it will stay on YouTube and the user ratings section, but just like Star Wars, I only expect the effect of the SJW agenda and design to be felt fully in the third installment, it will have a limited effect on this one.

we'll see, story sounds like shit the whole game does.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

Thanks Jayjayhd34 Bloody Knuckles

You have to be so careful these days. I'm so excited but the game is so far out, it's a landmine

Just be careful he's likely nuke account with actual spoiler.

 

[Hostile_18]

Just be careful he's likely nuke account with actual spoiler.

Yeah not going to read anymore replies from him. So if I dont respond to him that's why, not that I've got nothing to say lol.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Yeah not going to read anymore replies from him. So if I dont respond to him that's why, not that I've got nothing to say lol.

Just go on his profile and hit the ignore button. Problem solved bud

 

[Hobbygaming]

we'll see, story sounds like shit the whole game does.

It looks great and it has a great chance of becoming GOTY 2020

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Let me repeat: Two trailers, countless journalistic previews, detailed t story structure and 90 minutes of leaked footage aren't enough to form an informed decision?

When was the last time a AAA developer gave you 90 minutes of footage with pivotal story beats for you to ruminate?

That's right, never.

Reaching a verdict doesn't seem to be what's bothering you.
Reaching a damning verdict, well, that does.

You don't have the detailed story structure, the one we've seen has elements that have been debunked by newer leaked footage.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Hes been banned

 

[Rayderism]

I imagine there are a whole lot of people pre-ordering the game who know nothing of all the leaks/forced agendas and are just getting it based on the name alone. Then there are the people pre-ordering it just to see how "woke" it really is.

At any rate, I KNEW the game would still sell regardless of how they ruined the characters/story.

Personally, I plan to wait for a steep discount on it before I bother with it, if I ever do.

 

[Mod of War]

Hes been banned

Great film.

 

[NahaNago]

The game was always going to sell millions. Now the question will be how much this game will affect? the next naughty dog release/ will it destroy hype for future Sony exclusives? I'm not buying the game more from the fact that I don't like uncharted or the last of us.

 

[Arachnid]

Yeah I hear you, that's why I don't watch movie trailers for something I have a very good idea I'll like. The type of gamer/tv show viewer I am you can pick so much apart from even the tiniest scene. That's why making a trailer is so hard. On one side you want to show the best work on the other you don't want to give too much away either. But then if you dont want to give too much away (which is admirable) you may not be giving someone a accurate image of what type of movie/game their buying into.

Its definitely an interesting topic.

The good news is, regardless of story, the gameplay will probably be pretty fun and tense. Absolute worst case scenario, we don't enjoy the story (I don't know yet since I've done a pretty good job of avoiding spoilers, though peoples reactions have me pretty nervous; I also doubt every aspect of the story is bad, there has to be some positives here). So what? Dragons Dogma has a story that bores me to tears. MGSVs story was flat out bad. Both are still awesome to play from a gameplay perspective. I'm sure this game has evolved the gameplay plenty from the first game, so that should be fun.

It kind of sucks the multiplayer won't be there from day 1 though. The first games multi was pretty fun

It looks great and it has a great chance of becoming GOTY 2020

Going up against Cyberpunk 2077?

Not a chance.

 

[sendit]

My brigade againts this game is solely based on, that I hate wokeness. I have always believed, that it's going to be great seller. I just don't supported, I rather replay og game. Because I have a lot of memories bound to that game. To that time period which it came out and that sort of thing.

Agreed. Judging by all the recent triple A releases, they all have an element of wokeness. I plan to quit video games and stick to playing Yahtzee.

 

[Hostile_18]

The good news is, regardless of story, the gameplay will probably be pretty fun and tense. Absolute worst case scenario, we don't enjoy the story (I don't know yet since I've done a pretty good job of avoiding spoilers, though peoples reactions have me pretty nervous; I also doubt every aspect of the story is bad, there has to be some positives here). So what? Dragons Dogma has a story that bores me to tears. MGSVs story was flat out bad. Both are still awesome to play from a gameplay perspective. I'm sure this game has evolved the gameplay plenty from the first game, so that should be fun.

It kind of sucks the multiplayer won't be there from day 1 though. The first games multi was pretty fun

I'm still optimistic I'll love the story. I havent seen the spoilers at all but while it does sound like it contains triggers for a certain type of gamer I'm super happy with how I've found every other Naughty Dog game and that gives me more confidence than doubt.

Worst case scenario the story is a little too "forced inclusivity"... meh it's not the end of the world. I highly doubt they would suggest every single white male is terrible for example... or any one group is 100% something or other. Naughty Dog dont do Black and white. Remember all the things Joel the hero did before he found his purpose in life in the first game (highway robbery amongst other things). If this game is about revenge and how far is too much (from the psn store/back of box) it dosnt sound like its going to paint Ellie as a paragon of virtue either.

50 shades of grey you could say.

 

[Hobbygaming]

The good news is, regardless of story, the gameplay will probably be pretty fun and tense. Absolute worst case scenario, we don't enjoy the story (I don't know yet since I've done a pretty good job of avoiding spoilers, though peoples reactions have me pretty nervous; I also doubt every aspect of the story is bad, there has to be some positives here). So what? Dragons Dogma has a story that bores me to tears. MGSVs story was flat out bad. Both are still awesome to play from a gameplay perspective. I'm sure this game has evolved the gameplay plenty from the first game, so that should be fun.

It kind of sucks the multiplayer won't be there from day 1 though. The first games multi was pretty fun

Going up against Cyberpunk 2077?

Not a chance.

I'm buying both games but TLOU 2 will win

 

[TGO]

Most things that go woke usually go full woke on the marketing. That's when it affects the sales, because people aren't interested in identity politics for entertainment.
Perfect example is some of the recent woke movies that bombed, like Terminator Woke Fate. They went full woke on the Marketing and no one was interested in that trash.

TLOU2 didn't go full woke on the marketing, so most people have no idea that it's full of agenda driven story telling. A lot of people are in for a massive disappointment.

What is the marketing?
Trailers are marketing right?

 

[rofif]

I certainly did not felt much hope and now it's 0. But this might be me only me

 

[Faithless83]

The preorders calculation is likely retriggered due to the new date (mine was on hold prior to the release announcement).
So I believe it was counting as new (I've canceled mine after the spoilers).

I hate leaks, but the outrage was so big that I've ended up checking it, and I'm glad I did.

 

[Lionel Richie]

I certainly did not felt much hope and now it's 0. But this might be me only me

I'm there too, I just don't care about it unless it offers significant gameplay changes. I doubt that though.

 

[sendit]

The good news is, regardless of story, the gameplay will probably be pretty fun and tense. Absolute worst case scenario, we don't enjoy the story (I don't know yet since I've done a pretty good job of avoiding spoilers, though peoples reactions have me pretty nervous; I also doubt every aspect of the story is bad, there has to be some positives here). So what? Dragons Dogma has a story that bores me to tears. MGSVs story was flat out bad. Both are still awesome to play from a gameplay perspective. I'm sure this game has evolved the gameplay plenty from the first game, so that should be fun.

It kind of sucks the multiplayer won't be there from day 1 though. The first games multi was pretty fun

Going up against Cyberpunk 2077?

Not a chance.

Definitely has a chance. Both Cyberpunk 2077 and TLOU2 are being developed by studios with a great track record. More so with Naught Dog. However, I have no doubt CDProject will deliver with CP2077.

 

[EverydayBeast]

It's not a fluke

 

[THEAP99]

I re-preordered today after my original pre-order was canceled to the delay back in April. I can't miss out on one of the upcoming best games this generation.

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

I'm there too, I just don't care about it unless it offers significant gameplay changes. I doubt that though.

They added for depth to the stealth, you prone and they added a dodge mechanic for hand to hand combat. Pretty good upgrade from the first if you ask me.

 

[Lionel Richie]

They added for depth to the stealth, you prone and they added a dodge mechanic for hand to hand combat. Pretty good upgrade from the first if you ask me.

A dodge mechanic? How does it fit with the automatized melee combat the first game had?

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

A dodge mechanic? How does it fit with the automatized melee combat the first game had?

Prob retweakd it alot and adjusted for said dodge


Watch at 6:30, then again at 9:50to see the combat esp with the dodge. This is old footage so no spoilers

 

[Lionel Richie]

Prob retweakd it alot and adjusted for said dodge

Watch at 6:30, then again at 9:50to see the combat esp with the dodge. This is old footage so no spoilers

Thanks friend. That looks cool and I hadn't noticed that, I appreciate the effort into improving the melee combat.

 

[Hobbygaming]

They added for depth to the stealth, you prone and they added a dodge mechanic for hand to hand combat. Pretty good upgrade from the first if you ask me.

Yup, there's dogs that chase you and sniff you out so stealth is more difficult/complex and there's an injury system too

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

Yup, there's dogs that chase you and sniff you out so stealth is more difficult/complex and there's an injury system too

Shit i forgot about the last one, hows it work again? Dont remember reading much on it

 

[Hobbygaming]

Shit i forgot about the last one, hows it work again? Dont remember reading much on it

So if you get hit by an arrow and it goes through your shoulder and you aren't able to remove it during encounters then your aim will be off

 

[Bloody Knuckles]

So if you get hit by an arrow and it goes through your shoulder and you aren't able to remove it during encounters then your aim will be off

Anything with bullets or melee damage or have they just referred to arrows?

 

[Werewolf Jones]

If I got a $1 for every time someone uses The Last Jedi as a comparison for upsets with what the fans wanted I'd be able to buy this site off Tyler I swear to god.