LostDonkey
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As long as the games are priority I couldn't give a fuck where they sell them.
Phil Spencer: Economic uncertainty means new xbox may not be priority. Strategy doesn't depend on this years sales.
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ChildoAC
Neo Member
Really well put and substantiated.
While the absence of information on hardware (Sony) and software (MS - flagship Halo series) has been frustrating from a consumer perspective, I don't think anything about Phil's statement seems 'strategic'.
It reads to me as if he's saying 'brace yourself, high prices are coming and we know sales will suffer'.
With Xbox-ing day potentially pushed to August, the launch strategy just doesn't seem as cohesive as it could be, despite how forthcoming they've been with information.
I consider Xbox GamePass the single best deal in gaming, but Phil's statement is worrying to me.
mrBarrelNut
Member
What BS? Read the article, please.
Xbox Series X: Microsoft tailors launch plans for the pandemic
Xbox chief Phil Spencer explains how coronavirus has affected the console's release strategy.
www.bbc.com
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Getting someone to spend $500 on a single day is much more difficult than 3 people spending $15 a month 12 times over a course of 7 years.
Shmunter
Member
I have, what’s your point?What BS? Read the article, please.
Xbox Series X: Microsoft tailors launch plans for the pandemic
Xbox chief Phil Spencer explains how coronavirus has affected the console's release strategy.
A head of a division is asked how a 100 million people world wide losing their jobs might affect how they launching a new product. If you don't think that has an impact well you win warrior of the month with Tim what's his name.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
"spin it?"
"Exactly"
Shmunter
Member
I’m not commenting on any impact, I’m calling out the lack of commitment to the next gen. But this is nothing new, MS has been diluting the generational step well before COVID & angry mobs.
Your comment is overly defensive, why is that?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Has the most powerful next gen system.
Says they lack commitment.
Can't make this stuff up.
Shmunter
Member
Make what up? The article is linked in the op. Read.
It’s plain. If MS were any more reluctant to release another console vs their services ambitions they’d be pee shy.
And people wonder where all the rhetoric on competing with google and amazon comes from. The most begrudging console release in history.
Because people are willfully ignoring what he was asked for context. The whole thread is wilfully pilling on dishonestly taking something out of context. There is a lot to shit on Microsoft for no need to be dishonest about it. This could of been a good conversation about launching these consoles in tough economic times. Instead it is piling on the Phil don't care about selling systems because he might think someone who lost thier job might choose food or rent over a new toy. That is ok because they will get a job and have money for that new toy soon enough. It is a marathon not a sprint they are in this for the long haul.
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Eliciel
Member
Doesn't this implicitly turns XSEX, as a console, to absolute irrelevancy to purchase for a lot of people on this forum? How many of us do not own a PC at the same time and why should they then not launch everything on PC via XBOX Live+Gamepass+Gold on Day 1. Maybe they even change it to: Whoever own Gold + Gamespass = 14,99€ per month simply gets ALL games day 1...? WHo knows what will await us, but it must be great for gamers! 
Shmunter
Member
No bro, it is in the context of the overall MS messaging over time that people can properly put what is said in the article into perspective.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
There is no where in that article that signifies they are reluctant. At all. But hey, keep trying.
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Shmunter
Member
I’m afraid you are just exposing your naivety, or bias. Who knows, who cares.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Im afraid you clearly have an agenda manufactured in your head. Clearly you care as you decided to dream up things that don't exist and try to pass it off like its fact.
Arkam
Member
Thats what leads to crap platforms like Origin, Windows Store, whatever that Ubi crap, etc Platforms matter big time. It specifies the user experience when playing said games. So I agree games are very important, but I also think platforms are too.
cornonthecrobb
Banned
after the bloody financial hole ive found myself in after a couple of legal battles
and being laid off for the course of this pandemic.
i cannot justify spending money on either next gen thing.
and im usually the first to buy them
and being laid off for the course of this pandemic.
i cannot justify spending money on either next gen thing.
and im usually the first to buy them
I suspect Phil is just preparing the path for a streaming service alongside the Series X. Sure, we can count unit sales, but MS may be more centred on subscriptions across numerous devices, PC, consoles, phones etc.
PropellerEar
Member
If the rumors are true they have a base console with ⅓ power of next gen console.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Thy are so stupid thyve been demolishing them in revenue, sales, and profit in gaming. Smfh. And have been around through many recessions and still sold millions of consoles.
Your comment was edgy, corny, definitely fanboyish and frivolous.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
They have both. Doesn't change the have the most powerful next gen system. If they didn't care as many like to claim, why even do X. Just do S.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
I'll never understand why people think MS's priority has to be to win the generation in sales. Unlike Sony they dont rely on the xbox division to keep them solent, so I'd imagine they are happy as long as the division remains profitable. Personally I like their shift to a subscription based service. It allows me to try games I wouldn't have previously, plus it gives my boys tons of options at no additional expense to me.
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Good thing your comment doesn't come over as fanboyish...
Phil Spencer just answered the questions that due to Covid-19, people will have financial problems or not the leeway to buy $499 consoles. So this year's sales figures doesn't have a big influence on their strategy, because only looking at the numbers and not the context doesn't make sense.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Wait...
You're telling me Microsoft cares about money and not fanboy wars on the internet.
Fucking bullshit.
NickFire
Member
MS is free to make any priorities it wants. But selling the most consoles will always be near the top of the list. Maybe not after they realize its hopeless like this gen. But going into a gen of course they want that. More units sold = more profit.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Actually, more games sold = more profit. I like the fact that they are adjusting their strategy, which ends up to my benefit.
The Pleasure
Gold Member
Got a dollar. Five years of gamepass plz. Phil spencer gots the hook up!Yeah sure you're totally cool with that... As long as it's your Lord and Saviour Sony.
Aight man, keep on fightinghopefully you'll convince a few people or Sony will notice your zeal and reward you or something, I'm out.
sainraja
Member
Given everything they have done lately that wouldn't surprise me. If they kept the Xbox platform around and differentiated it with other features while also putting their content on other platforms, well, that would be insane.
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NickFire
Member
More units sold = more games sold.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Have you looked at the market recently? It is up 3-4k points over the last 30 days. It is just barely negative for the year, barely, it was positive briefly yesterday.
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
It was a joke dude.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Thats nice...
Who said they didn't?
They are still on many platforms to make as much money as they can. My god, I even state in clear English "Plus on PC or even XB" as in PLUS their own set up.....as in, also, including etc. Having their own platform with launchers or subscriptions didn't stop them from being multiplatform.
Never said anything like that... as to why I even stated on top of PC and XB install base, no different then EA with Origin or Ubisoft with their Uplay stuff. Them having that didn't suddenly mean they released games on nothing else. If they love those subscription numbers so much, going completely 3rd party sounds inevitable at this point by this publisher as their own messaging is seeking to put games on ALL DEVICES.
"That is our goal: to bring high-quality games to every device possible on the planet.”
E3 2018: Microsoft's gaming chiefs on the future of Xbox
The company is investing in studios in attempt to win over next generation of gamers
www.theguardian.com
So them even continuing XB or not is a if, but them going 3rd party most certainly is not.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Keep your day job.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I don't think they would release games on the PS5 unless they can tie it to some sort of EA Access like service for their own titles. But if Sony were to give the go ahead on that, I would fully expect to see Forza, Gears, Halo, the stuff from Obsidian and inXile, etc., land on the PS5. I think they would do it in a second.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Thats nice...
Who said they didn't?
They are still on many platforms to make as much money as they can. My god, I even state in clear English "Plus on PC or even XB" as in PLUS their own set up.....as in, also, including etc. Having their own platform with launchers or subscriptions didn't stop them from being multiplatform.
Never said anything like that... as to why I even stated on top of PC and XB install base, no different then EA with Origin or Ubisoft with their Uplay stuff. Them having that didn't suddenly mean they released games on nothing else. If they love those subscription numbers so much, going completely 3rd party sounds inevitable at this point by this publisher as their own messaging is seeking to put games on ALL DEVICES.
"That is our goal: to bring high-quality games to every device possible on the planet.”
E3 2018: Microsoft's gaming chiefs on the future of Xbox
The company is investing in studios in attempt to win over next generation of gamers
So them even continuing XB or not is a if, but them going 3rd party most certainly is not.
I don't even know what you are on about anymore. Maybe you are confusing me with a different conversation? I never said they shouldn't go third party. What I said was it doesn't make sense to put Game Pass in eco systems they can't control and are closed off.
You very clearly said they should question to make their own hardware.
My response was simply not making hardware doesn't make sense because people buy their hardware. Its not in the 160 million by any means but theres not a lot of reason to stop making hardware when they no longer are taking huge losses out of the gate as previously in the industry. They sold 50 million devices of what the market considers a meh product.
This strategy aligns with the Surface strategy which works well for them. Its proven to work there. Without surface and the hardware it wouldn't be nearly as profitable.
What doesn't make sense is putting Game Pass on every device that they can't control the rules on.Putting in on PS4 they take a huge cut, same as switch. But other markets like android it makes sense and they already are prepping for it. Putting their software on markets like Steam and taking the hit makes more sense than trying to put a library of content that you don't own onto a service like Steam.
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Rean no Kiseki
Banned
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
smh
" I even stated on top of PC and XB install base "
So I see no reason to even argue about that when I'm even stating here including that install base if they choose to go that route. So we don't know what MS will do with XB past this gen, but what I stated very clearly speculates what it would be like if they had that included.. Even if MS got rid of XB, that 50 million install base (if thats even the final number tbh) will just migrate to PS, Nintendo, PC etc. They won't suddenly stop gaming for life or something. To MS, the cost of even making that hardware and marketing it, manufacturing it, sustaining it etc might be even more of a incentive to just be a publisher solely.
I disagree. The extra 160 million install base is just way too much to even entertain them NOT doing that for such a silly reason. EA clearly can't control all the platforms, same with Activision and Ubisoft, yet clearly they are 3rd party publishers. Having their own launchers is nice, but its not sooooooooo much of a priority that they would avoid more users as it doesn't really make any sense. So EA having that subscription service on XB and PS and a launcher on PC doesn't actually stop them from still making games on many platforms, even ones they don't control. MS own messaging states they want games on all devices so clearly MS THEMSELVES don't seem to actually care as much as you regarding that tidbit...
As in, you are even arguing a point MS themselves don't seem to actually support based on their messaging. So I'd hold off on the "MS won't do this or that" stuff as we've heard that many times before. Wasn't MS not going to put games on Mac yet did? Not going to put games on PC, yet did. Ok on PC, but not Steam, then did. Ok, on Steam and PC, but not day and date, yet did. Would not put at any games on PS or Nintendo, yet did...... We've heard this so many times, I think its best to just accept what MS is saying.
For god sakes, they are TELLING YOU THE WANT GAMES ON ALL DEVICES! Whats next? Ok MS is putting Gamepass on PS5 and Switch 2, but the won't be day and date AAA MS titles?
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VincentMatts
Member
Not exactly surprising coming from the company that launches their games on xbox and PC simultaneously. Obviously HW sales will take a hit.
Jadsey
Member
It now looks like next gen is a straight fight between Sony and Nintendo.
Phil basically saying what we’ve all known for years....Xbox are out of the console space and into a paid subscription service only.
Ultimately, that will fail also as their exclusive games are substandard.
Phil basically saying what we’ve all known for years....Xbox are out of the console space and into a paid subscription service only.
Ultimately, that will fail also as their exclusive games are substandard.
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Psykodad
Banned
What else do they have to counter PS4 swansong with FFVII Remake, TLOU2 and GoT?
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Agreed.
As far as I can see, Sony's PS4 lineup this year, is their marketing for PS5 next gen. As in, look at what we are doing now, we are PROVING we support our systems to the end, you can count on The Last Of Us 3, Ghost Of Tsushima 2, FFVII Remake continuation etc. They are making a massive point with this year to give great reason to users to buy PS5.
Its not a promise of support, its a obvious, inevitable continuation of it and this year shows what fans can expect from the publisher on PS5.
If you own a XONE, you are basically watching Nintendo gamers go nuts over Animal Crossing and PS gamers go nuts over FFVII remake, The Last Of Us 2 etc. Support for that install base is a promise of something, support on other install bases is clockwork, its routine, its the norm.... Even look at PS2's ending with God Of War 2 coming out after PS3's release or PS3's last year having The Last Of Us, Beyond Two Souls and GT6 etc. They are known for supporting their systems 100% beginning to end, they don't need to promise anything.
That support is expected by Sony fans, its promised by MS....
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
First off, you dont need to be be so passive aggressive with your wording. Your posts are not as clear as you think.
" I even stated on top of PC and XB install base "
Where because I don't see that anywhere? Its possible I missed it but I digress.
BOT. "To MS, the cost of even making that hardware and marketing it, manufacturing it, sustaining it etc might be even more of a incentive to just be a publisher solely." "EA clearly can't control all the platforms, same with Activision and Ubisoft, yet clearly they are 3rd party publishers. Having their own launchers is nice, but its not sooooooooo much of a priority that they would avoid more users as it doesn't really make any sense. So EA having that subscription service on XB and PS and a launcher on PC doesn't actually stop them from still making games on many platforms, even ones they don't control. MS own messaging states they want games on all devices so clearly MS THEMSELVES don't see to actually care as much as you regarding that tidbit..."
You seem to be missing my point so I will try to clear it up.
Comparing Microsoft to any third party publisher apples to apples doesnt make sense as they don't have their own hardware and eco system. The difference between Game Pass and something like EA Access is that EA Access is only their content where as Game Pass is Microsoft's content as well as third parties.
Microsoft is able to get the deals that they are because of their position in the market of being a major publisher with hardware. Every third party is not able to match Microsoft because they dont have their own ecosystem to promote. If Microsoft loses that leverage then all they have is their content which then Game Pass becomes way less of a no brainer.
Why would lets say Capcom, who has been a major partner for Microsoft and Game Pass, agree to be apart of Game Pass without Xbox? There really isn't a major benefit since all of their content is already on Steam. Which then leads into the issue of making deals with GP because since Microsoft would lack the ability to make better deals to keep the price of Game Pass where it is at. For everyone to win on Game Pass in a world where Xbox isn't a thing would require Game Pass to be far more expensive. Again defeating a lot of its appeal.
If they are forced to abide by everyone else's rules by joining the eco systems of lets say Playstation and Switch, they lose more than just consoles. They lose leverage and the abilities to make deals.Their first party content isn't to the point where its strong enough to warrant $10 a month. Even though they would have a bigger market by being available on everything, it will be much harder to entice the larger market as their strategy and price point would have to change.
Its not all just about sub numbers. If that was the case you wouldn't have competing markets in any streaming services. Theres a reason Disney decided to do their own streaming service with Disney Plus instead of continuing to partner with Netflix. Even though Netflix has more subscribers than Plus, they make far more money being in control of their content and what goes onto their network.
Does Microsoft's messaging state they want to be on as many devices as possible. For sure, but notice they are developing software on their own and putting their software on devices that they can control. You dont hear talk about Xcloud coming to Switch or PS4. Theres a reason for that. What you do see is it coming to Android and PC where they can maximize their pull and control.
The launches are extremely important to publishers. I have no idea why you are saying they are not. EA held Battlefield hostage for many years because they didn't want to give Steam a cut or support things on Steam. Its only as EA has taken a ton of hits to their bottom line after many years of sub par performance that they are giving into Steam.
Same with Overwatch which is not on Steam. Having your own walled garden with your own content that people want is incredibly powerful and puts more money in your pocket.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Yea, happenchance. Simply saying its not YET announced. You didn't hear talk about them putting games on PC day and date, yet they did, you didn't hear talk about them putting games on PS and Nintendo yet they did....
So....you don't hear "talk" about lots of things MS ultimately does anyway. So MS didn't just say "our devices" they said "EVERY DEVICE".
Agreed, no disagreeing with that, so is actually being on every major platform... so I expect MS to clearly have launchers like EA, but I expect them to also be on every platform like EA if the want to compete with them. So seeing how they want to be on every device like a 3rd party publisher, I expect them to behave as such. We already have examples of 3rd party publishers so I see next to no reason to pretend MS wouldn't do that when their messaging states otherwise. Not sure why they'd leave so much install base for EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc to grab up.
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Not if you broaden your market.. ala PC support. Pretty sure MS will be just fine.
NickFire
Member
What you wrote defies logic, reason, and common sense. If you sell more consoles, then you sell more games unless the console was bought by some collector who keeps it in the box. Yes, selling more games on PC also results in more games sold. But that has no bearing, at all, to the simple premise that more consoles sold = more games sold.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Besides Minecraft what have they put on Playstation? They tried Cuphead and Ori on Swicth and they have already stated that wont be happening again anytime soon.
Putting them on PC makes sense as they own windows. Again, controlling the things they can control. Game Pass on PC doesn't cost them anything as they own platform. You don't see Game Pass on Steam.
And they dont wan't to be like every 3rd party publisher. I already explained this. If that was the case they wouldn't of invested in their own ecosystem. You seem to mistake their message on being on every device as they want to natively support every device in the wild which is not what they have ever said. They want to be on every device through their services. Xbox, X-Cloud, etc. And they also said they want to be on every device but that doesnt mean platforms want them on their device either, Thats far different than simply trying to grab marketshare.
You think Sony is going to let Micrsoft put Game Pass on Playstation that already sells the third party games that Microsoft offers in GP. No way in hell is that going to happen.
In a world where Game Pass and XBLG doesn't exist it makes sense for Microsoft to go third party, but those things do exist and give them a lot of power to be able to do things other publishers cant, which is why publishers work with them to begin with.
Psykodad
Banned
GamePass is all the more reason for MS to go 3rd party, though.
