Phil Spencer feels it's counter productive to lock people away from games by making them device exclusive, prefers to scale games across ecosystem
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SkylineRKR
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I might keep my PS4 around for some time, if I want to play PS4 games I fire it up.
On PS5 I want to play games optimized for PS5. Not some backwards shit. Just leave that old SATA and Jaguar tech behind, mang.
On PS5 I want to play games optimized for PS5. Not some backwards shit. Just leave that old SATA and Jaguar tech behind, mang.
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Zato
Banned
Phil is all talk, pity he can't his people to make games that sell systems.
Pro consumer is a poor trade for shit games.
Shambala
Member
I swear people forget the shit this guy spewed. The same guy that bought exclusivity for tomb raider to counter uncharted. Now he is so called against that stuff. I can't stand this dude..Also Phil Spencer.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I agree with him that having games across a broad spectrum of consoles and PC hardware doesn't really hold things back. We still see things pushed to the limits on all of them.
But his thing about exclusives, uhh.... I know he's an executive doing his executive thing, but anyone who has been playing games on consoles ever knows that for many it's all about the exclusives. I never would have purchased a Switch, a tablet not much more powerful than an old Nvidia Shield tablet, if it wasn't the only place I could play the awesome Nintendo exclusives each year.
But his thing about exclusives, uhh.... I know he's an executive doing his executive thing, but anyone who has been playing games on consoles ever knows that for many it's all about the exclusives. I never would have purchased a Switch, a tablet not much more powerful than an old Nvidia Shield tablet, if it wasn't the only place I could play the awesome Nintendo exclusives each year.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Thread titled "Xbox" and "Phil Spencer", and I am not allowed to hop in ?
And the next wccftech "news" with clickbait headline ...
Source of the original article:
www.gamesindustry.biz
It's just about a different approach on product strategy but hell after reading the first pages on this thread I'm speechless. Rant increases from day to day, I'm getting hard Twitter vibes.
Just curious, how many of you guys are running a multi billion dollar business? So many experts here ...
Source of the original article:
Are Xbox Series X developers being held back by Xbox One?
This is part of a series of features with Xbox Game Studios. Check out the teams discuss life as a Microsoft-owned comp…
www.gamesindustry.biz
It's just about a different approach on product strategy but hell after reading the first pages on this thread I'm speechless. Rant increases from day to day, I'm getting hard Twitter vibes.
Just curious, how many of you guys are running a multi billion dollar business? So many experts here ...
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Balducci30
Member
Uh this is the problem with PC gaming what is he on. You're making the minimum system requirements very low.
GRIEVEZ
Member
I deleted my previous msg.
Anyways I find Phils msging very off putting... I buy into generations, because I believe in advancement of tech - as long as the value is there.
To me it seems, they felt like investing into next gen exclusive titles wasnt worth it (risk) at the start of the gen. Because there will be less market for it. They played it safe.
Its just my shtty opinion and for the people saying consumers are getting screwed for having next gen titles at the start of a generation, seem delusional (im sorry).
This stuff is all very silly.
Anyways I find Phils msging very off putting... I buy into generations, because I believe in advancement of tech - as long as the value is there.
To me it seems, they felt like investing into next gen exclusive titles wasnt worth it (risk) at the start of the gen. Because there will be less market for it. They played it safe.
Its just my shtty opinion and for the people saying consumers are getting screwed for having next gen titles at the start of a generation, seem delusional (im sorry).
This stuff is all very silly.
REE Machine
Banned
Fire
Yes... Im sure forza horizon 2 didn't feel next gen because it also launched on 360..Keep sucking on that refreshing green
kool aid
PresetError
Neophyte
This is why I will never own an Xbox. They are always trying to force you into what gaming should be about instead of supporting the many things gaming already is. They have this globalist patronizing mentality I can't stand.
Microsoft is always talking for players like they know what we collectively want but in reality they are trying to convince you what they provide is what you should want and everything they don't provide it's lame or out of fashion. And it's so on the nose it becomes repellent to me.
Gaming existed way before Xbox joined but they acted like they invented it since day 1. That's why I dislike their brand, I despise what they represent and I hate what they have always pushed for in the gaming industry.
Microsoft is always talking for players like they know what we collectively want but in reality they are trying to convince you what they provide is what you should want and everything they don't provide it's lame or out of fashion. And it's so on the nose it becomes repellent to me.
Gaming existed way before Xbox joined but they acted like they invented it since day 1. That's why I dislike their brand, I despise what they represent and I hate what they have always pushed for in the gaming industry.
DeaDPo0L84
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
He never mentioned ps5. Click bait article is click bait. But hey, it's Phil, so let's dog pile him.
Edit: Also, because even the guy writing the article doesn't get it so I'll say it again... nobody is forcing developers to make the games work on the old Xbox. MS are saying that for a short time their first party titles will, so that the older user base isn't forgotten. Third party developers can make games for either both, just the One, or just the X/S.
It has nothing to do with the PS5, sure, but it's troubling nonetheless. Not to mention how that quote in your screenshot makes zero sense. He IS forcing the gamer to buy his console. Just not the latest one. If he was really that serious about being pro consumer then he would be launching his games on the ps4, ps5, switch, and Ouya. But he wants you to buy his consoles in order to partake in what gaming is about.
He's being disingenuous.
Romulus
Member
Most? Since when? You can also have all of Xboxs exclusives day one or wait until its $10. Your choice.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Am I the only one that finds it odd that based on the vitriol towards Xbox & Phil from numerous posters in this thread for example, it's not likely they are going to rush out and buy a next gen Xbox but they also seem to be the only ones concerned about this Xbox policy.
I'm buying only an XsX yet I'm not bothered at all by this and it seems most other Xbox fans aren't either. I have to wonder why only the most zealous Sony fans are so deeply concerned.
I'm buying only an XsX yet I'm not bothered at all by this and it seems most other Xbox fans aren't either. I have to wonder why only the most zealous Sony fans are so deeply concerned.
NonPhixion
Member
This has be evident for years. They aren't into making top tier generational exclusives. I mean what was their last exclusive title to win a goty award? Halo: Combat Evolved?
gamerforever
Banned
Exactly, the change in stance every few months is shocking. Sony's first party exclusives have got microsoft on the run, probably for a long while.
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Tqaulity
Member
This is what I've been saying for a while...what Phil is describing yet again is how the Series X just follows the PC model bringing it to console space. Series X is similar in concept to upgrading your PC....new components to allow you to run your games faster. This is why I think some need to temper their expectations for the July 23rd showcase. I've heard some saying that they are looking for Microsoft to show truly "next generation" games there so we can see what the Series X is really all about. But the July showcase is about presenting the next Wave of games for the Xbox platform (incl Xbox One, Series X, and PC). There is a distinction between having quality games and having "next gen" games. I believe that Microsoft will have some quality and interesting games at the event. But fundamentally they will be games that just show high end versions of existing games. In other words, there won't be any Series X exclusives at that event (which Microsoft has been very forthcoming about for over a year now). Every game there will be coming to Xbox One and/or PC.
In the cases of console exclusives that are coming to PC, the Series X will just rival the high end PC spec in terms of resolution and frame-rate. For the titles coming to Xbox One as well, sure the Series X will have every setting turned up to 10: 4K, 60fps+, higher res textures, faster loading etc. BUT, these are still the same games we've been playing for the better part of a decade (arguably even earlier since the beginning of the X360 era). From a design standpoint it will still be limited by the CPU, memory, and HDD speeds of the 8th Gen consoles (among a ton other things).
So I wouldn't expect anything groundbreaking at this Xbox showcase later this month. There will be some quality games and they will look more shiny and polished on the high end Xbox (i.e.: Series X).
In the cases of console exclusives that are coming to PC, the Series X will just rival the high end PC spec in terms of resolution and frame-rate. For the titles coming to Xbox One as well, sure the Series X will have every setting turned up to 10: 4K, 60fps+, higher res textures, faster loading etc. BUT, these are still the same games we've been playing for the better part of a decade (arguably even earlier since the beginning of the X360 era). From a design standpoint it will still be limited by the CPU, memory, and HDD speeds of the 8th Gen consoles (among a ton other things).
So I wouldn't expect anything groundbreaking at this Xbox showcase later this month. There will be some quality games and they will look more shiny and polished on the high end Xbox (i.e.: Series X).
tryDEATH
Member
Well we will see if its all talk, but you would assume with the heavy investment in studios they will have something to show for everyone.
The reality is some 7 years ago everyone was laughing at Xbox for its absolutely horrendous presentation about TV and Sports. This time around there is none of that, instead it is Xbox that is dictating and pushing the pro consumer messaging and power of its console. It seems people aren't happy about it at all, so they are going in roundabout ways to "diss" Xbox, but it just isn't sticking.
igivehugs2nakedwomen
Banned
Oh Phil. Every time you try to spin something that PlayStation is doing I always seem to end up chuckling.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is not concern for the Xbox more reaction to the empty rhetoric bordering on doublespeak these interviews have. "We do not care what device you play on" is evident BS... "We do not care from which device you access Xcloud" also questionable (hint: not a Sony console for sure
)... "Generations" are anti consumer... "Exclusives for the next generation are anti consumers" (except when they do it)... "(timed) exclusives are anti consumer" (while making Tomb Raider exclusive for one year)... etc... same person, but cannot ever be blamed as it is always someone else in MS's fault.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Trying to... doing a poor job at it when they try to sell bologna like this...
Ascend
Member
Joke's on you for not actually reading (let alone understanding) what he said.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Just covering the fact that their new studios have not finished ramping up and trying to see how many people buy the pro consumer/XSX exclusive games are bad and they are actually helping us angle...
igivehugs2nakedwomen
Banned
I did read it, that's why I'm laughing.
Ascend
Member
Yeah... Your reply shows that you didn't. And if you did, you didn't understand it. Or, you have exceptionally long toes.
Dr Bass
Member
Quick question
I'm buying one likely day 1. I want Phil to say "We are going to make the best 1st party games we know how, across all of our studios and they will all take complete advantage of the Series X and the new things it enables us to do." Then I want Microsoft to go do that.
Pretty simple.
I'm buying one likely day 1. I want Phil to say "We are going to make the best 1st party games we know how, across all of our studios and they will all take complete advantage of the Series X and the new things it enables us to do." Then I want Microsoft to go do that.
Pretty simple.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think this is something you need to discuss though. Why arent you concerned? You like the xbox series x being the most powerful console right? You like that it has 12 tflops? 3.6 ghz cpu and velocity architecture. Why would you be ok with the tflops only being used to render native 4k, the cpu just being used to render 60 fps and the velocity architecture only being used for loading?
This shouldn't just concern sony fans. it should concern everyone.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Well first of all, the thread title is wrong, because he didn't say that about ps5, and it entices console wars.
Secondly... There is no right or wrong way to view this. It is what it is. I personally think it's common sense to support the previous console for a while, not a long time. You're kidding yourself if you don't think the Ps5 will also be mostly cross gen for a while. But yes, Sony DOES push the new system more at launch with stuff that won't work on the old console. However... HOWEVER... Nothing they have shown yet would be impossible on the PS4, and with a few changes could be done. Yes, even ratchet. And also............. we have no idea what MS is cooking with their first party games. Phil has also gone on record to say the XBox one won't hold back their SXS first party, and that means that more than likely, there will be two versions of games.
The stupid thing is, MS are right here. Don't forget the other console, give people a chance to upgrade. That makes perfect financial sense. Sony could do the same, but won't, because they know people will buy the new console purely for the exclusives, even if those exclusives are not taking advantage fully of hardware.
But alas, none of that matters. People know where they stand, and what they think. Phil could have come out and said we are ditching the old console and have 100 exclusives, and the goal posts would move again. The guy can't win. And yes, a lot of that is due to the early handling of the Xbox one, which was a disaster. But that wasn't him, he wasn't in charge then, and since then he's turned a sinking ship into a damn good system. Sony good? No. But still good.
Either way, the problem, as usual, is nobody here has bothered to read the actual article, and has just gone right into attack mode. If they did, they would know he wasn't slagging off any system at all.
But why let facts get in the way of a bit of drama.
tryDEATH
Member
What do you mean trying?
Xbox has the better back compatibility feature and is going to support last generation, neither things PS5 is doing better than the XSX. So Xbox clearly are the better pro consumer platform no trying necessary, now it all about let everyone know by repeating constantly.
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Rick Dangerous
Banned
What a moron this guy...just stfu against competition, just show us the goods. Because until now his track record is empty.
pixelation
Member
What a dunce, I don't know what I dislike more. His douchey smirk or the shit he keeps on spewing out.
Oh really?, then release all of your games on PS4, PS5 and the Switch as well?... DUNCE!!!
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igivehugs2nakedwomen
Banned
He's trying to say Xbox is all about inclusion and exclusives are bad for gaming. Do you really believe that exclusives are bad for gaming?
110 million people obviously don't believe that bullshit.
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jakinov
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I can't predict the future, but I don't think many games are going to be so drastically different that they wouldn't work on current generation consoles but gimped, especially in the first year or so that they have this commitment. I also don't think they committed to parity between the versions that you are describe. I'm sure for example if a next-gen version wants to use the CPU for better AI, they would just gimp the AI on the Xbox one version. If next-gen version want advanced lighting and audio they can have it but if you own an Xbox One you have to upgrade for the better experience. Whether or not they want to force that parity is up to them but I don't think that they would. I think Microsoft is willing to add in the extra time to rework parts as well for the Xbox One versions since it's a organization wide initiative. I also think that as machines get more powerful it's not as big of a task to shove something back a generation. It'd probably a lot harder to to shove an N64 game on a SNES than say a 360 game on an Xbox; and easier to shove an Xbox One game on a 360.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
You wanna sit down or something? Show us on the doll where Phil touched you. Come on, we're all friends here.
Jaguar Victory
Member
My brotha is about to cut a check for 4 billi to grab WB interactive. That's some big check energy so you should probably listen when he speaks.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
You realize PS and Xbox share 90% (even more, actually) of the same games, right? Because third-parties exist?
Or are 3rd-parties the "meh" games, here?
You're looking at this very narrow-minded if you think Sony's exclusives are the driving factor behind them selling 110 million PS4s, because the vast majority of the mainstream who purchase these systems play the same small handful of 3rd party tentpole franchise year after year. COD, FIFA, Madden, GTA, Destiny etc.
So take off those warrior goggles and think about this stuff rationally.
That said....Phil? What the hell are you doing here? These quotes come off as incredibly defensive when they don't have to be. You're just giving ammunition to fanboys addressing the relationship between Series X and Series S like this. Do better.
They've already essentially stated this in regards to Halo: Infinite. But yes, as a general statement on their 1st party and which platform is serving as the base/lead, I do agree they need to make this a very big and bold statement, and sooner rather than later.
If they don't put that out there in the open and absolutely they're inviting more of this unsavory narrative against them when they could just nip it in the butt.
So virtually the exact same thing Sony showed at their June event? Don't try telling me GT7 presented some amazeballs game design shifts never seen before, because it didn't. Same can be said for Miles Morales, Horizon Forbidden West and even Ratchet & Clank (no one has data on how exactly the portal warping happened and there's arguably been implementations of that concept in various older games, regardless of their visual fidelity).
All of those games LOOKED great and looked FUN, but there was nothing game-changing in terms of design with any of them whatsoever. Which is par for the course with almost every new system's Year 1 offering outside of NIntendo systems (specifically the N64 and the Wii).
Also, exclusives aren't the only games that can bring about those paradigm shifts. Just look back at the history of gaming. System Shock, Doom, Street Fighter 2....often times you get as much (if not MORE) of those design paradigm shifts with 3rd-party games...available on multiple platforms.
So trying to equivalate game design paradigm shifts exclusively with 1st-party exclusives is contrary to the history of gaming itself.
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teezzy
Banned
He's right though. Phil literally agrees with what us Xbox fans have been explaining to non-believers this entire time. Games should can run on various hardware, with various settings. Y'all foolin'
He even made the PC comparison. He has his head in the right place. All the console variants will handle the game to the best of their ability. That's how PC gaming works. Only consoles have this nutty proprietary design philosophy
He even made the PC comparison. He has his head in the right place. All the console variants will handle the game to the best of their ability. That's how PC gaming works. Only consoles have this nutty proprietary design philosophy
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01011001
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because most people are not stupid enough/don't act stupid on purpose and know that most games released during the first 12months or so are almost always originally designed and developed for the old generation and then ported up and polished up a bit to look next gen. usually that's done by slapping the newest trend in graphics tech onto it and using higher res assets.
do you really think Spider-Man Miles Morales could not run on PS4? if you do, maybe ask your doctor to give you some anti fanboyism pills. that game would absolutely be able to release on PS4 and was most likely first developed for it... but it wont... why? because Sony locks it to the PS5, that's the only reason.
or that really shitty looking 1512p Sackboy game... does that seem to be a game that's not possible on a PS4? it doesn't.
even Ratchet & Clank would absolutely be possible on a PS4, it would just be less impressive because these purple falling through the void loading screen would be 10 seconds long instead of 1 to 2 seconds. and the screen wouldn't be filled with quite as many particle effects.
this game can not release on PS4 because of Sony, not because a port would be impossible.
and these are the only games Sony makes that they showed so far that will, realistically speaking, release within the first year or so... it's not even really sure in Ratchet's case even.
