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[Bolivar687]

My problem is that there is an compact with the consumer that you are going to give them experiences to justify purchasing your $400+ box sometime in the first year. That might be in question now since a lot of people clearly bought PS4s just to get the best experience out of CoD, Battlefield, and FIFA, but I like to think that was also with the expectation that they would also be buying something only playable on the new system within the first twelve months. A blanket mandate that all new exclusives must run on older hardware is counter-intuitive, because the first year is the most important time to deliver for your early adopters.

His PC comparison doesn't work. New graphics cards are designed to get the most frames possible out of high resolution displays, but there really aren't any developers pushing these cards to the limit of what they can handle anymore. Your studios need to do exactly that on the console.

 

[SlimySnake]

SlimySnake the actual base game for Spiderman on ps5 is the ps4 Version. Same city, same geo. And you may need to go back and play spider man on PS4, it's character models are fantastic and it's a good looking game. The only thing that's good in that ps5 shot is the lighting and effects. The model could be done on PS4, easy.

I just went back and got you a screenshot from the PS4 version though. I am sure they are fantastic but they clearly look last gen. The city might be the same but that doesnt mean it doesnt look next gen.

 

[jakinov]

Do you downplay something that you believe to be irrelevant? I sure don't and clearly, Phil Spencer does.

I don't think he's saying what you think he is. In the quote he's basically saying he doesn't think they should arbitrarily not release the game on Xbox One because they want them to buy the new console right away. Not that exclusives don't sell consoles or that exclusives don't matter (are irrelevant).

 

[DeepEnigma]

I just went back and got you a screenshot from the PS4 version though. I am sure they are fantastic but they clearly look last gen. The city might be the same but that doesnt mean it doesnt look next gen.

 

[CatLady]

But Scorn, The Medium, Hellblade 2 (seemingly) and several others are next gen exclusive... so what's this "policy" then?

First parties cross gen for the first year.

Scorn & Medium are NOT first party and I highly doubt Hellblade is coming out within a year since UE5 hasn't even been released.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Can you point me to the "game defining features" between the PS3's the Last of Us and PS4's The Last of Us 2? Let me give you a hint there was none, it was literally the "scalability of visuals (texture quality, resolution etc)" there was nothing revolutionary about that game from generation to generation, just the amount of pixels being pushed by more powerful hardware, which is exactly what cross generation is going to be on the Xbox.

Hell I'm still trying to figure out what's game defining about that on rails section they showed off in R&C. Is "Spiderman can swing faster" and "Aloy fast travels quicker" anything to write home about?

 

[DeepEnigma]

First parties cross gen for the first year.

Scorn & Medium are NOT first party and I highly doubt Hellblade is coming out within a year since UE5 hasn't even been released.

So it's only "pro consumer" for the first year, then after the first year, "fuck off consumer?"

 

[Ascend]

He's trying to say Xbox is all about inclusion and exclusives are bad for gaming. Do you really believe that exclusives are bad for gaming?

110 million people obviously don't believe that bullshit.

Stop trying to shift the goal post. You said "Every time you try to spin something that PlayStation is doing I always seem to end up chuckling. " while he didn't mention Playstation once. But I guess admitting your own incompetence would be too mature.

 

[eyesabitdull]

Also Phil Spencer.

Phil Spencer makes me feel like probably hates fourth of July today when he absolutely loved it 5 years ago.

 

[tryDEATH]

Hell I'm still trying to figure out what's game defining about that on rails section they showed off in R&C. Is "Spiderman can swing faster" and "Aloy fast travels quicker" anything to write home about?

That is the thing they certainly look better and that is expected due to the hardware, but it isn't revolutionary and there is absolutely no reason those games can't be on last generation with lower settings.

 

[hyperbertha]

Can you point me to the "game defining features" between the PS3's the Last of Us and PS4's The Last of Us 2? Let me give you a hint there was none, it was literally the "scalability of visuals (texture quality, resolution etc)" there was nothing revolutionary about that game from generation to generation, just the amount of pixels being pushed by more powerful hardware, which is exactly what cross generation is going to be on the Xbox.

Shadow of mordor's nemesis system had to be severely gimped for the ps3/x360. What more proof do you need? I haven't played the last of us 2 yet but even if I did its pretty hilarious that you expect me to be able to tell something that in most cases only the game's designers could possibly know. Do you know what a CPU is for? Any game that fully uses a modern CPU for AI won't be able to function on an older CPU which is likely the case in TLOU2 as I hear it has very good AI.
Nice try. For all you know every single exclusive released on the ps4 may be impossible to do on the ps3 why don't you prove they all work on all systems?

Those clueless casuals, are what keep this industry going. Without them there would be no extraspecial, no plebs allowed, games to be played in the "extra special games connoisseur club".

That's 100 percent true but sony has their own ways of attracting the masses. Shallow PR speak has proven to be ineffective against true quality.

 

[CatLady]

Wonderful, so if someone cares about his policy you have a way to weasel out of it by calling it platform bias, if someone calls BS on it you can weasel your way out of it by calling it concern trolling and not liking XSX and Phil... let's keep it generic so it is easier eh shall we ?

If an actual Xbox fan buying an XsX in the first year is is unhappy about 1st party games being cross gen, then they have a vested interest, a legitimate concern and reason to complain about it.

The rest are just trolling because they're zealous Sony fans and don't like Phil or Xbox.

 

[SlimySnake]

First parties cross gen for the first year.

Scorn & Medium are NOT first party and I highly doubt Hellblade is coming out within a year since UE5 hasn't even been released.

so then what the hell is Phil talking about then? He is going to ditch them after the first year? So whats the point of him acting all high and mighty when he says this:

As a player you are the centre of our strategy. Our device is not the centre of our strategy, our game is not the centre of the strategy. We want to enable you to play the games you want to play, with the friends you want to play with, on any device. […] Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives, and I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about.

So if he is just talking about the first year then we need to amend the statement above.

"As a player you are the centre of our strategy, but only for the first year. you can fuck right off after the first"
"We want to enable you to play the games you want to play, with the friends you want to play with, on any device.... until holiday 2021 when our first party studios will finally have a next gen game ready"
"I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games... for the first year. After that first year, i will lock them away like Jeffrey Epstein. Who btw didnt kill himself."

 

[DavidGzz]

They have to sell a new console that won't have 1st party next-gen exclusives for at least a year.

Didn't the Xbox One X sell just fine? Also, this time they have a XSS that will be the cheapest entry point for next gen games. MS first party are not the only ones making games for the Series X/S. There will still be next gen exclusives from 3rd parties just like every other generation. There will be a attractive graphics and loading improvement even on cross gen games. The best version of Game Pass games will also push people to upgrade. Your comment of a high chance they lose more fans with their best start to a next gen yet is hilarious.

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

GT7 would be the easiest to get running on the PS4. And lets be honest here, if having teleporting in every game is going to be the defining feature of "next gen" design just to show off the SSD, then devs can fucking keep it. It will get stale and old real quick.

Yes, it is obvious that a HDD could not do what was shown, but how many games are going to need it?

Remove the bolted on warping, and tone down the effects, and RC could have been done on a PS4

Do you not remember how ps4 games look day 1 vs now? You're acting like launch titles is all they are ever gonna show or have. And if you're gonna downplay every little thing they come up with of course it's gonna look mundane. Ssd? What ssd is gonna save gaming now? 3D audio engine? Lmao. No loading times? What? That's for pussies.

see everything is trash if I wanna see it that way.

 

[Vaelka]

Usually, people who talks too much doesn't end up well

Funny how no one says this about Sony when they keep bragging and jerking themselves off 24/7.
Then people lend them a hand.

 

[Leyasu]

So it's only "pro consumer" for the first year, then after the first year, "fuck off consumer?"

You know full well what it means. They are giving people a bit of time to upgrade at their leisure... But the grace period is not indefinite.

 

[tryDEATH]

Shadow of mordor's nemesis system had to be severely gimped for the ps3/x360. What more proof do you need? I haven't played the last of us 2 yet but even if I did its pretty hilarious that you expect me to be able to tell something that in most cases only the game's designers could possibly know. Do you know what a CPU is for? Any game that fully uses a modern CPU for AI won't be able to function on an older CPU which is likely the case in TLOU2 as I hear it has very good AI.
Nice try. For all you know every single exclusive released on the ps4 may be impossible to do on the ps3 why don't you prove they all work on all systems?

Gimped down versions is scalability and that is one game over the whole generation. Your "game defining feature" spin isn't a reality, its nothing more than better graphics that can be tuned to set system requirements.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You know full well what it means. They are giving people a bit of time to upgrade at their leisure... But the grace period is not indefinite.

And possibly to give their studios more time as well.

 

[IntentionalPun]

so then what the hell is Phil talking about then? He is going to ditch them after the first year? So whats the point of him acting all high and mighty when he says this:xperience those games...

I guess key phrasing there is "on the day I want them to go buy it."

He really should be more specific and describe it as a grace period though.

 

[Vasto]

So what PS5 showed is what exclusive next gen games look like? Was anything even running at 60 FPS?

 

[RoadHazard]

I want games that are only possible on next gen, so I strongly disagree.

 

[hyperbertha]

Gimped down versions is scalability and that is one game over the whole generation. Your "game defining feature" spin isn't a reality, its nothing more than better graphics that can be tuned to set system requirements.

So now you admit new features can't be done on older systems and have predictably moved the goalpost. Now for the final nail in the coffin, shall I point you towards dev interviews where they speak about how their games couldn't be done on the older systems? Your scalability argument goes out the window the moment we bring up a game where core features are built from the ground up with newer hardware in mind.

 

[Leyasu]

Do you not remember how ps4 games look day 1 vs now? You're acting like launch titles is all they are ever gonna show or have. And if you're gonna downplay every little thing they come up with of course it's gonna look mundane. Ssd? What ssd is gonna save gaming now? 3D audio engine? Lmao. No loading times? What? That's for pussies.

see everything is trash if I wanna see it that way.

Leave it out. I am the first person to point out in every thread that launch titles are nothing but shinier versions of current gen games. It has always been that way. Anyone with half a brain and who is not on their first console cycle knows this for fuck sake. I am replying to the idiots talking about "next gen exclusives", when just because they are not on the legacy hardware, doesn't mean that they wouldn't run without tweaks. Games made especially for the new consoles will not arrive before late 21 early 22.

Sony excluding their launch games from the ps4 doesn't mean fuckall. Except give ammunition to fanboys on forums.

What sony showed landed exactly where I expected launch window games to land. Microsoft will show exactly the same thing in 13 days..... Launch window games

 

[Ascend]

Lol he doesnt mention the PS5 but it clear as day what hes talking about.

" Gaming is about entertainment and community and diversion and learning new stories and new perspectives, and I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about.

He's not taking about the Nintendo Switch or Stadia..... He's countering Sony's comments about PS5 having games only the PS5 can play And not being cross generation.

He's doing it in a way where he's talking about his platforms ideals, but trying to say what Playstation is doing is completely counter to what gaming is.

He has been throwing stones at Playstation specifically, and it's quite clear when he does it. Like his comment in one of the YouTube interviews where he says he prefers that you hear the games before you hear the console. That was an obvious reference to the loud PS4. But in this case, he is stating a different philosophy, not necessarily trying to insult specifically the Playstation... Things have been done this way for ages for a bunch of consoles and handhelds, including the Xbox itself, and they are driving away from that philosophy. I know you all believe Playstation is the center of gaming and everything, but really, there were and are more consoles out there... And it makes sense to make this change. No game is well optimized for the first year or two for the newest console anyway. Might as well release it for both.

It is all definitely in their own interest, and they are trying to sell it as good for gamers, which it actually is in this case. Obviously, the Xbox trying to enable access to their games for as many players as possible must be spinned as something negative... The device not being the center of their strategy is a good thing. Since when is more choice for the consumer wrong or bad? Oh right. When exclusives is the only argument you have left for bragging rights of your favorite brand. I would love playing Halo Infinite at launch on an Xbox One without having to spend $500+ on a new console. It's playing the game for $70 or $570. And I bet if there was a great PS5 exclusive at launch, you all would love to be able to play it on the PS4 as well. Anyone that says they wouldn't are in denial or have too high a stake in console warring.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Am I the only one that finds it odd that based on the vitriol towards Xbox & Phil from numerous posters in this thread for example, it's not likely they are going to rush out and buy a next gen Xbox but they also seem to be the only ones concerned about this Xbox policy.

I'm buying only an XsX yet I'm not bothered at all by this and it seems most other Xbox fans aren't either. I have to wonder why only the most zealous Sony fans are so deeply concerned.

I'm a massive massive Xbox fan but I'm disgruntled. They gave me the middle finger in 2010 with kinect, then again with the xbone. They won some points back with the X and the elite controller.

However, they still haven't fucking learned what makes them good or shit. They're fucking clueless and it's infuriating. 2001 to 2008 on the Xbox platform was some of, if not the, best that console gaming has ever been.

So when I see bullshit like this, it boils my piss. I want Microsoft games, I want them pushing the power envelope, I don't want games held back - and they will be!!! - by previous generations of consoles, longer than the 6 months launch window.

Meanwhile, Sony are still doing what Sony do, and have done for 25 years; make a powerful console, make exclusives, make single player games. They support their previous console for a decade but new games come out on the new console.

I'll pick up an Xsx over updating my PC because PC gaming is a pain in the arse. But I want Microsoft back to their best and pandering to this fucking dick in a suit or licking his balls saying "yeah keep promising me games and showing fuck all for the 7 years you've been in charge!!!"

 

[Chaplain]

"...I find it completely counter to what gaming is about to say that part of that is to lock people away from being able to experience those games. Or to force someone to buy my device on the day that I want them to go buy it, in order to partake in what gaming is about."

So did Spencer just confirm that Halo, Gears, and Forza will be released on PS5 due to being opposed to "locking people away from being able to experience [Microsoft's] games"?

 

[Leyasu]

I want games that are only possible on next gen, so I strongly disagree.

Then wait until early 22 before picking up a ps5 or XsX

 

[RCU005]

So, we won't be seeing Xbox exclusives on the 23rd?

Or do we have to "wait until next time" til we see exclusives?

I don't think so. The event is called "Xbox Games Showcase" not "Xbox Series X Games Showcase"

That right there confirms that not one game from them (first party) will be exclusive to Series X.

 

[CatLady]

So it's only "pro consumer" for the first year, then after the first year, "fuck off consumer?"

Exactly. A year is a generous amount of time to transition to next gen. No need to make cross gen forever

Hopefully by then we'll have some games that are truly next gen on BOTH consoles. What I saw for the PS5 launch didn't look next gen and they probably won't have anything in the first year that does unless they've held back some much more impressive games launching day 1.

 

[Ascend]

So did Spencer just confirm that Halo, Gears, and Forza will be released on PS5 due to being opposed to "locking people away from being able to experience [Microsoft's] games"?

I know this is a snide/sarcastic comment. But obviously, it will be limited to their own platforms, which are Xbox One (S), Xbox One X, Xbox Series X and Windows 10. That's still more choice than just Xbox Series X.

 

[Leyasu]

And possibly to give their studios more time as well.

Good point

 

[RCU005]

Sorry to say this, but with every statement that Phil makes about Xbox, it looks like Xbox should go third party. I think they would do an amazing job being a third party publisher with all their studios. It just make sense the most. Specially if they buy WB games.

 

[Ascend]

I don't see the big deal here really... The same thing has been done for multiple generations... Where on the border of the new generation, games are released for both the previous and the current console...

 

[Gavon West]

Exactly. He never mentioned the PS5. He is saying that he does not support releasing games on the Xbox Series X that are unavailable on the Xbox One on the first day, in order to force people to buy the Series X. And obviously he means first party, because, 3rd party can release only on the XSX if they so wish.

People here really have reading comprehension problems... Have you people ever seen letters or words before...? How do you know how to use a keyboard?

They be triggered! These dudes cant help themselves. Whats kinda nuts is that they seriously believe that Series X games wont look next gen next to Sony's. This shit is deep and funny as hell! Im here for it!

 

[jakinov]

Also Phil Spencer.

To be fair a lot of people change their stance on things over time and sometimes you aren't the top boss you have support a strategy that your boss wants. I think it's worst if people double down on ideas instead of changing. Mark Cerny used to talk about how they didn't care about 3rd-party developers even if it was harder for them. Now they said they don't think like that anymore and care about making things easy for developers. I forgot who said it but someone else said something about consoles shouldn't be easier to develop for so you can get more value later. But now Sony keeps talking about how to make things easy for developers out of the box.

 

[SentientStone]

It seems these gaming companies finally figured out the art of gaming politics.

The PR campaigns before launch will be "we are for the gamers, by the gamers"... then bam increase in subscription pricing and micro-transactions. Lol

 

[Three]

Not even Super Fucky's Tale 2?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

I just went back and got you a screenshot from the PS4 version though. I am sure they are fantastic but they clearly look last gen. The city might be the same but that doesnt mean it doesnt look next gen.

what you're seeing there is higher density traffic, and much nicer shaders/lighting at play. Insomniac already confirmed this. Spiderman 2 will show the real jump.

It's a testament to how good the first was.

 

[Gavon West]

It is simple, and people who have been gaming for years can absolutely wrap their head around it. It's just not smart and it won't provide for the best experience. Why would anyone who wants to buy a Series X, myself included, want their best and most unique games (i.e. first party) to be held back by a nearly decade old platform? Can't it also be "anti-consumer" to not make the best product you can while charging top industry prices for those products?

Phil can argue whatever he wants. All he has to say is "we want our software to be available on Xbox One systems and Xbox Series systems." That's it. As soon as he turns it into some moral stance about what gaming is "about" he loses the plot completely and just looks ridiculous.

Well I guess youd have a point if they didnt have the same games on PC. Good thing PS gamers have all those powerful PC's and can tap into all that power instead of worrying about getting Series X. Right fellas?.........Right?

Fellas................?
*crickets*.......thats weird.

 

[RoadHazard]

Then wait until early 22 before picking up a ps5 or XsX

Why? Several of the games Sony showed looked way past anything that could be done on PS4. But sure, the REALLY amazing stuff will come later.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I just went back and got you a screenshot from the PS4 version though. I am sure they are fantastic but they clearly look last gen. The city might be the same but that doesnt mean it doesnt look next gen.

 

[Mister Wolf]

what you're seeing there is higher density traffic, and much nicer shaders/lighting at play. Insomniac already confirmed this. Spiderman 2 will show the real jump.

It's a testament to how good the first was.

All of those things could be easily removed or scaled back to work on PS4 if they wanted to. Only difference is Microsoft wants to for their games.

 

[Whitecrow]

Man how can I hold all these virtue signalss

 

[danielJackson]

"Frankly, "held back" is a meme that gets created by people who are too caught up in device competition. […] The diversity of hardware choice in PC has not held back the highest fidelity PC games on the market. The highest fidelity PC games rival anything that anybody has ever seen in video games. So this idea that developers don't know how to build games, or game engines, or ecosystems, that work across a set of hardware... there's a proof point in PC that shows that's not the case. "

I wonder how so stupid man can have so high position?

If what he says would be true = PC games would not have minimum specs for setup to run the game and all games would work on slow laptops with only integrated gpu.

So either any game should work on any pc = even if we take only PCs from 2013 -> , all games would have to be made those slowest laptops from that era in mind.

How the heck anybody can believe that this is the case?

Because now the situation is kind of that:

Devs cant say "one x is our minimum spec for the game, it must run on the ancient slow one too."

Starcitizen have min spec for setup having SSD.

so he is kind of proving that on PC world slow systems have to be dropped out by min specs, and xbox one without SSD is kind of equivalent for 2013 PCs and proves that it would indeed held back highest fidelity pc games, if there would not be minimum specs to exclude too slow setups.

as in xbox one is too slow for highest fidelity games to reach their highest fidelity, if it must work on it too.

 

[SlimySnake]

"Frankly, "held back" is a meme that gets created by people who are too caught up in device competition. […] The diversity of hardware choice in PC has not held back the highest fidelity PC games on the market. The highest fidelity PC games rival anything that anybody has ever seen in video games. So this idea that developers don't know how to build games, or game engines, or ecosystems, that work across a set of hardware... there's a proof point in PC that shows that's not the case. "

I wonder how so stupid man can have so high position?

If what he says would be true = PC games would not have minimum specs for setup to run the game and all games would work on slow laptops with only integrated gpu.

So either any game should work on any pc = even if we take only PCs from 2013 -> , all games would have to be made those slowest laptops from that era in mind.

How the heck anybody can believe that this is the case?

Because now the situation is kind of that:

Devs cant say "one x is our minimum spec for the game, it must run on the ancient slow one too."

Starcitizen have min spec for setup having SSD.

so he is kind of proving that on PC world slow systems have to be dropped out by min specs, and xbox one without SSD is kind of equivalent for 2013 PCs and proves that it would indeed held back highest fidelity pc games, if there would not be minimum specs to exclude too slow setups.

as in xbox one is too slow for highest fidelity games to reach their highest fidelity, if it must work on it too.

he's not stupid. he knows he's being disingenuous if not straight up dishonest, but he knows his base will eat it up.

The sad thing is that we aren't even talking about the lockhart here. We are talking about series x games being held back by Xbox one, and we have people defending Phil here. It's shocking to say the least.

 

[Gavon West]

Switch is a handheld. That's different.

As a console, it's BAD.

Landscape is changing? How? Console gaming has never been stronger. Exclusives have never sold better. TLOU2 just sold more copies in 3 days than Halo 3 did back in the day. Nintendo is selling more exclusives than ever. It seems MS wants the landscape to change. They want to be the Netflix of gaming, but they simply cannot be Netflix of gaming because unlike video games, netflix is available on every smart tv, smart phone, smart pad, smart watch and smart fridge. he is trying to do the impossible. Gaming can never become the netflix of gaming.

You want to offer Gamepass? Fine. If Phil wants to put games on PC to expand his eco system, fine. Those things dont need to come at the expense of the quality of games which is precisely what's going to happen when games are built around jaguar CPUs and 50 MBps HDDs.

Did you really just say the bolded? Like, seriously??? I guess we're all just dreaming about Xcloud with Gamepass. What do you think that is? Guess its just desperation according to some here.

And I guess youve been missing all the news about Sony putting their games on PC, locking in deals to bolster their own Game service along with an alliance with Azure to offer their own game streaming service. And tbh, the landscape has changed tremendously. Thats precisely why there's so many other players in the game like Google, Amazon, Apple, FB and others. Every single one of the companies I just mentioned are huge entities. Bigger than Sony. Thatll trigger some here, but doesnt make it not true. Sony's biggest money maker is Playstation. Of course their gonna stick with whats been working for them for decades. The kicker is that everyone else is moving away from the traditional business model and their all much better prepared to do so with much more capital.

Microsoft has to turn their attention to much bigger fish by leveraging what they've already established and know: gaming, software services and cloud. This legacy in gaming (since OG Xbox) is what gives them the edge over the others like Amazon and Google. That's why we have Gamepass, BC and why Xbox is a platform instead of just a console. Gamepass and BC keeps the fanbase locked into the ecosystem. And because of the latter, they've been buying more studios; to keep them locked in with new content -- and frequently. It quite brilliant actually.

If you still think this stuff is locked down by just a box under your TV set, you bought the wrong prescriptions broski!

 

[Yoboman]

He needs to just own up to the fact that the Gamepass strategy requires as many people having access to games and subscribed as possible for it to be viable

If Xbox One users drop their subscription and pick up a console next gen a couple years into the cycle, then it doesn't work for them

 

[Ascend]

he's not stupid. he knows he's being disingenuous if not straight up dishonest, but he knows his base will eat it up.

The sad thing is that we aren't even talking about the lockhart here. We are talking about series x games being held back by Xbox one, and we have people defending Phil here. It's shocking to say the least.

I understand the argument of things being held back. Games generally take quite a while to make. Most AAA games take 5 years to make, if it is a completely new IP. Sequels already have the foundation, so, they can be done relatively well in 2 years or so.

Now... When are dev kits available for developers? Generally, that is not even a year before launch. Games that will be launched with the console, and up to at least two years within the console's life cycle, cannot be considered to be optimized for the new one. Although theoretically you could say the old console will hold back the newer one, that is only the case for the games where developers have used the new dev kits to cater to the new console. So, releasing the 1st party launch games on both generations is quite reasonable, because no one can realistically revamp core game/engine code to cater to the new console. Releasing for the old and new console can keep the players happy that are unable to upgrade or don't immediately want to upgrade. The developers have a larger audience and the publishers can sell more copies. Seems like a win for everyone to me.

At the same time, there is definitely an incentive to buy the new console if a certain game is only on it. Which is why I guess they are only limiting 1st party to this philosophy.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Did you really just say the bolded? Like, seriously??? I guess we're all just dreaming about Xcloud with Gamepass. What do you think that is? Guess its just desperation according to some here.

And I guess youve been missing all the news about Sony putting their games on PC, locking in deals to bolster their own Game service along with an alliance with Azure to offer their own game streaming service. And tbh, the landscape has changed tremendously. Thats precisely why there's so many other players in the game like Google, Amazon, Apple, FB and others. Every single one of the companies I just mentioned are huge entities. Bigger than Sony. Thatll trigger some here, but doesnt make it not true. Sony's biggest money maker is Playstation. Of course their gonna stick with whats been working for them for decades. The kicker is that everyone else is moving away from the traditional business model and their all much better prepared to do so with much more capital.

Microsoft has to turn their attention to much bigger fish by leveraging what they've already established -- that being gaming, software services and cloud. If you still think this stuff is locked down by just a box under your TV set, you bought the wrong prescriptions broski!

Any box will work*






*as long as it runs Windows or it is a MS branded console