Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)
FunkMiller
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'kinell. Step away from GAF for a bit to have a slow, soapy wank and we're on 5 pages
Ah... see, there's your problem.
We only masturbate at a frenzied, feverish pace around here so we don't miss anything important
Applebuttum
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I still don't see how that results in this massive gap the dusk is pushing.. I mean we're still supposedly getting a 4tf series s. That'll just be series x games at 1440p. So the ps5 instead displays series x games at the same settings but at 1920p or something, I mean who cares?
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Mister Wolf
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Yeah The Gunk was stated as a console launch exclusive in that video too. Then this article came out:
The Gunk is Xbox exclusive, no time-exclusive deal in place
Developer Image & Form and publisher Thunderful have revealed that The Gunk, which was shown at the Xbox Games Showcase, is an Xbox exclusive.
So again explain to me what console launch exclusive means. I don't think it means what you think it does.
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chilichote
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If I understand correctly, Cerny is an outside advisor to Sony. He would only hurt himself if he didn't keep what he promised, especially since Sony is a big client.
mejin
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Yeah The Gunk was stated as a console launch exclusive in that video too. Then this article came out:
The Gunk is Xbox exclusive, no time-exclusive deal in place
Developer Image & Form and publisher Thunderful have revealed that The Gunk, which was shown at the Xbox Games Showcase, is an Xbox exclusive.www.gamereactor.eu
So again explain to me what console launch exclusive means. I don't think it means what you think it does.
Just like Cuphead.
sncvsrtoip
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max teoretical xsx tf is 12.147 and ps5 10.275 so 18.48% (probably performance differ slightly bigger in games due variable clocks of ps5 and higher bandwidth of xsx), it's more like rtx 2080 vs rtx 2070 super
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VideodromeX
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Another topic where people cant accept that XSX is stronger.
BluRayHiDef
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You can't do math.
10.28/12.1 x 100 = 0.8495867769 x 100 = 84.95867769% = 84.9% -> 100% - 84.9% = 15.1%
Hence, the difference is 15.1%, NOT 18%.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Yeah The Gunk was stated as a console launch exclusive in that video too. Then this article came out:
The Gunk is Xbox exclusive, no time-exclusive deal in place
Developer Image & Form and publisher Thunderful have revealed that The Gunk, which was shown at the Xbox Games Showcase, is an Xbox exclusive.
So again explain to me what console launch exclusive means.
It means its exclusive at launch. If it was a perm exclusive deal, they'd use different terminology.
It's coming to PS5 down the line. You're delusional if you think otherwise
jimbojim
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So, 18% difference is native 4k on XSX and 1800p on PS5 with same graphical settings. WTF is wrong with that? Well, PS5 is fake 4k. LOL
Didn't someone from Digital Foundry not so long time ago said that native 4k is a waste of resources?
TBiddy
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10.28 * 1.18 = 12.13. It's 18% more powerful.
Mr Moose
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Wasn't the new Halo "up to 4K/60fps"? That whole game is last gen.
Mister Wolf
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Well a developer with a console launch exclusive is saying otherwise. They know more than you so I will choose to believe them.
BluRayHiDef
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You can't do math either. WTF?
10.275/12.147 x 100 = 0.8458878735 x 100 = 84.58878735% -> 84.6% -> 100% - 84.6% = 15.4%
llien
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I hope you are quite young.
jimbojim
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What problems for devs? LOL. Looks like they don't have problems with variable clocks on PC.
FunkMiller
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Does anyone actually think that it isn't? Or is it more that some folks are trying to make out the power difference is a lot greater than all evidence indicates it actually is?
I'm fully happy to accept that the Series X has a more powerful GPU than the Ps5. I just don't really care. All I want is great looking and playing games
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chilichote
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Both are correct (15%/18%), depending on which TF value is taken as 100%. Percentage calculation - how does it work ^^
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Yes believe PR from the CEO
When has one of their launch exclusives not come to the competing platform in the end?
None
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jimbojim
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Nobody is fucking denying that. But it's not that stronger
I've noticed that when MS fuck up with XSX, some FUD about PS5 appear always. I mean, always. That crap with RE8 is 1080p on PS5 and 4k on XSX is absolute crap
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Apollo Helios
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This thread
Werewolfgrandma
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He hasn't promised anything. He gave numbers that very well could be in a best case scenario that's not easy to achieve. All I'm trying to say is Cerny who has things to gain or lose in this can't be taken without any scrutiny, which is what all the pro variable clocks comments are doing.
namekuseijin
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so much drama for consoles which still didn't show anything worth an actual generational jump...
fuck more pixels, subtle raytracing or whatever. Show us more detailed worlds, improvements in AI driving behavior and procedural content, VR and better interactions, etc...
fuck more pixels, subtle raytracing or whatever. Show us more detailed worlds, improvements in AI driving behavior and procedural content, VR and better interactions, etc...
BluRayHiDef
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It depends on the console from whose perspective the calculation is being made. However, it makes more sense to calculate the difference of the PlayStation 5's power in terms of the Xbox Series X's power rather than the Xbox Series X's power in terms of the PlayStation 5's power, since the Xbox Series X is the standard for performance out of the two due to being the more powerful box.
Thirty7ven
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Love how bad Xbox showings and news leads to apologetic media reactions and bad PS5 rumors. They no longer bother saying "Devs are telling me", it's just full on "I think". Oh and rumored big time exclusives on PS5 obviously lead to outrage and bargaining(they need exclusives because PS5 is weak).
The 360 really was a homerun with that generation huh?
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MrFunSocks
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Sarcasm. There were a bunch of people on here playing the FP16 secret sauce trumpet in regards to the Pro and X, pretending the Pro is actually more powerful.
TBiddy
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That doesn't make sense. Both 15% and 18% are correct numbers. Clearly you forgot that earlier.
MrFunSocks
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Wait so you think that just because the PS5 has more power than the One X it will be able to do everything at native 4K just because it's the same amount of pixels?
Why do you think that not all games are 4K natively on the X? Different engines and games require different amounts of power to run at 4K.
ZywyPL
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Exactly, almost 20% difference is the best case scenario, assuming there's light CPU usage and, so depending on the game the difference can be god knows how much, 25-30%? Plus, let's not forget about VRS, which alone can boost the performance by stupid levels, and elevate the gap even further:
Clear
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Who gives a crap when 1.84tf has given us the games of the visual quality we've had this gen. At worst PS5 is 5x the throughput on the gpu (not even counting efficiencies gained from updated CU archictecture) and a similarly substantial hike on the cpu side going from Jaguar to Ryzen cores. Then of course there's the overall higher bus bandwidth and the crazy i/o stack and sound subsystems they've implemented.
At some point you have to admit that diminishing returns are going to set-in hard in terms of real-world effectiveness. I get that to enthusiasts you can never have enough power, but your average punter? Very different story.
At some point you have to admit that diminishing returns are going to set-in hard in terms of real-world effectiveness. I get that to enthusiasts you can never have enough power, but your average punter? Very different story.
Slings and Arrows
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Of course its relevant. It could be pr talk, but the fact that his designs are used on PC and Xbox means it isn't pr talk. Vs Spencer who has done... What?
jimbojim
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Let's not forget PS5 also has this in a different way. Shrug
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Don't get why people trying push the narrative that the ps5 won't be weaker then then the Xbox sx. It won't effect 1st party stuff at all and that the big thing. Sure all 3rd party stuff will be better on Xbox but you got last of us 3.
nintendo does wonderful stuff with underpowered hardware, don't worry so much.
It's all gonna look worse then a pc anyways if you care so much about power.
nintendo does wonderful stuff with underpowered hardware, don't worry so much.
It's all gonna look worse then a pc anyways if you care so much about power.
BluRayHiDef
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How can you jump from 18% to 20% to then 25-30%? Seems like you're just pulling numbers out of a magic hat to make the power difference appear to be greater than it actually is.
18% (or 15.4%, depending on how you look at it) is the maximum difference, not the minimum difference.
MastaKiiLA
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You're both right. I think both of you can do math, but can't do math vocabulary.
10.28/12.1 = ~85%, which is 15% lower.
12.1/10.28 = ~118%, which is 18% higher.
They're the same thing, but reduction percentages are always smaller than increase percentages. 50 is 50% lower than 100, but 100 is 100% higher than 50. Same same, but different.
geordiemp
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This is funny. Go back and watch the digital foundry comparison of Call of Duty Ghosts on the xb1 and ps4......
He leaked the re8 village stuff and the fact ono was punted off SF6 project so I'd believe him over you
So he leaked some capcom game stuff, that means he must know sony and MS pricing.
He must also know about other 3rd party games going by that logic....
Logical....continue..../s
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ozz ex machina
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For the exclusives on PS5. I won't get a series x as I have a great PC.
Hezekiah
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Honestly mate, I don't think many people care about either game. The Gunk looks like a cutesy platformer, and that's covered by R&C. Scorn has been in development hell and nobody knows anything about the game. 2 games with little hype behind them from no-name developers.
Werewolfgrandma
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Exact quote
"It's possible to perform two 16-bit operations at the same time, instead of one 32-bit operation. In other words, with full floats, PS4 Pro has 4.2 teraflops of computational power. With half floats, it now has double that -- which is to say, 8.4 teraflops of computational power. As I'm sure you understand, this has the potential to radically increase the performance of games,"
That didn't happen. It was pr speak to make it sound better to dumb people. It wasn't new and it wasn't invented by Cerny.
I'm not saying Phil isn't a pr machine, he is. What I'm saying is Cerny has used pr talk to make things sound better then they are so how can we be sure this time is different?
Bryank75
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The minute the PS5 price gets revealed this guy risks being roasted, violently roasted....cause everything else he said about the console will have no validity either.
If I wanted power, I'd get a 3080 / 3090 when it's released and set up a nice rig... console isn't all about power.
If I wanted power, I'd get a 3080 / 3090 when it's released and set up a nice rig... console isn't all about power.
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pawel86ck
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On PC platform developers dont need to optimize their games just for one GPU. They also dont need to build gamers with certain resolution / performance target, because PC gamers can adjust these things accordingly by themselves.
Slings and Arrows
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He's not wrong and it's not pr.
At fp16 you have twice the tf if you're using fp16, otherwise it's 4 tf.
I have more faith in Cerny as an engineer than any other suit on any platform right now
Calverz
Member
Call it a waste if u want. Its still higher. And anyway, MS have talked about ai learning in the xsx meaning they may come up with a dlss alternative.
Calverz
Member
We're talking multi plats. Not exclusive titles. Try again though.
Calverz
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Ah ok so in that case, you must know all his contacts, and the contacts of the contacts. You do realise people have conversations. You do know people who work with one dev, will more than likely have friends working for other devs. People talk.
Eh. I don't know, but from my experience plenty of users around here are spewing bullshit like "more narrow and faster is better," "SmartShift is saving grace of PS5" and shit like Geometry Engine will take care of TFLOPs number, or XsX won't use always use 12TFLOPS but PS5 will always use all 10,2TFLOPs, and RDNA 3 are just cherry on top
It's almost like they are paid by Sony to promote their brand
Mr Moose
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It's on 3 different systems, how is that not multiplatform?
Only multiplats are unable to reach 4K/60? Sounds weird but OK.