Faster loading (ps5) vs more power (xsx) ?
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Rocco Schiavone
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More power? Where?
I haven't seen a MS exlusive that looked better than the PS5 Games. Was there even real footage???
I haven't seen a MS exlusive that looked better than the PS5 Games. Was there even real footage???
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Hostile_18
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I'm going to hold off my vote till we see what difference these two factors make in games.
I've always said the difference between the two platforms will be insignificant.
I've always said the difference between the two platforms will be insignificant.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
This is very reductive. Faster I/O is not just for loading times, it can facilitate easier development which could result in extra time being allocated to other areas of development. It could also increase the quality of assets that he GPU is able to have on hand, and could negate the need for LoD hacks and thus provide a better aesthetic.
Likewise power (if based on TF) is just one metric, there is no point having the power on paper if it is hard for developers to utilise it effectively (slow and wide architecture is apparently harder to fully utilise than fast and narrow). Also there is a level of abstraction above the hardware that could come into play (APIs), one platform may abstract the developer from the hardware more than another and that could inhibit them being able to apply their own superior methods of utilising the CUs, although the upside of abstraction (in theory) is that it will make future virtualisation and BC easier to maintain in future.
Ultimately time will tell. I'm sure both consoles will be awesome and have their own unique areas where they excel, but I wouldn't expect massive differences.
Likewise power (if based on TF) is just one metric, there is no point having the power on paper if it is hard for developers to utilise it effectively (slow and wide architecture is apparently harder to fully utilise than fast and narrow). Also there is a level of abstraction above the hardware that could come into play (APIs), one platform may abstract the developer from the hardware more than another and that could inhibit them being able to apply their own superior methods of utilising the CUs, although the upside of abstraction (in theory) is that it will make future virtualisation and BC easier to maintain in future.
Ultimately time will tell. I'm sure both consoles will be awesome and have their own unique areas where they excel, but I wouldn't expect massive differences.
XGon'GiveItToYa
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A better CPU and a better GPU or better storage/IO...Hmmm, that's a hard one...
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SLoWMoTIoN
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jonnyp
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Loading times will be faster, but chill out already. You'll set yourself up for disappointment if the PS5's speed is merely a negligible improvement in real life conditions.
Power is where it's at.
So you will get 3090 in SLI then?
turtlepowa
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You have no idea how important every 0.1 second will become on GAF. You are not prepared!
RoboFu
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wow, some of these replies are just.... wow.
no your storage speed is not going to make your gpu better.
And storage speed is not constant. It takes longer to transfer 1000 1k files than it does to transfer 1 1000k file.
No matter, what the XsX will have a 2 tf advantage.
no your storage speed is not going to make your gpu better.
And storage speed is not constant. It takes longer to transfer 1000 1k files than it does to transfer 1 1000k file.
No matter, what the XsX will have a 2 tf advantage.
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anothertech
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Holy shit. I just looked some of this up. Didn't realize the ps5 gpu might run more powerful than the SeX.
This plus the 115% ssd benefit and bandwidth increase along with additional ram might actually make that 15% tf benefit meaningless
Also, that power available for $100 less than
Xbox. Fucking brutal.
yurinka
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To go from half a minute or a minute loadings to under a second or two loadings it's a big improvement for me.
To have a smaller superiority in theorical peak power in some areas (TF) than in current gen while being weaker in other related GPU areas and potentially have more or bigger bottlenecks doesn't seem a big issue for me. In fact, we have to wait and see real world comparisions and benchmarks because seems in at least some areas PS5 will achieve better performance.
I predict that we'll see next gen multis performing very similarly in both consoles, some games performing slightly better in one or in the other, in an area or another. And the PS5 big exclusives looking way better while xbox fans saying 'wait until we see the first next gen only Xbox big exclusives in 2023'.
So this faster storage speed is going to help to achieve a closer result of its potential top perfomance. And this is without considering additional related bottlenecks being removed.
Teraflops are a theorical peak for some GPU tasks, not a real performance indicator. And what it measures is just for some GPU tasks, there are another important tasks not related to it. In some of them GPU will perform better not because of the loading (which helps), but because the PS5 has a faster frequency.
And well PS5 will over 2x faster than Series X to read from SSDs both 1000 1k files and 1 1000k file.
To have a smaller superiority in theorical peak power in some areas (TF) than in current gen while being weaker in other related GPU areas and potentially have more or bigger bottlenecks doesn't seem a big issue for me. In fact, we have to wait and see real world comparisions and benchmarks because seems in at least some areas PS5 will achieve better performance.
I predict that we'll see next gen multis performing very similarly in both consoles, some games performing slightly better in one or in the other, in an area or another. And the PS5 big exclusives looking way better while xbox fans saying 'wait until we see the first next gen only Xbox big exclusives in 2023'.
Storage speed is so big that allows to load and free stuff from memory so fast that in a minute of gameplay is going to be able to show way more assets, or way more detailed assets, because will waste less RAM space with less assets that aren't drawn at that moment.
So this faster storage speed is going to help to achieve a closer result of its potential top perfomance. And this is without considering additional related bottlenecks being removed.
Teraflops are a theorical peak for some GPU tasks, not a real performance indicator. And what it measures is just for some GPU tasks, there are another important tasks not related to it. In some of them GPU will perform better not because of the loading (which helps), but because the PS5 has a faster frequency.
And well PS5 will over 2x faster than Series X to read from SSDs both 1000 1k files and 1 1000k file.
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Gandih42
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Faster loading, although it really depends on the loading time improvement vs. how good the frame rate is. 60 FPS with slightly longer load times would be preferable, but if I can get better load times + 60 FPS with less impressive visuals that'd be my choice.
In reality I doubt the difference between the two machines will be that significant - I'm getting a PS5 because I'm comfortably in the ecosystem with all my PS4 games, trophies and account history. I'm generally also very into the PlayStation exclusives. The PS5 would have to be a colossal disaster for me to change ship.
In reality I doubt the difference between the two machines will be that significant - I'm getting a PS5 because I'm comfortably in the ecosystem with all my PS4 games, trophies and account history. I'm generally also very into the PlayStation exclusives. The PS5 would have to be a colossal disaster for me to change ship.
Cockles & Whelks
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Loading speed. You'll definitely notice it when ploughing through the wasteland in Fallout 5 vs Xbox.
Oh wait...
Oh wait...
ripeavocado
Banned
More power of course.
Faster loading has dimishing returns, the XSX SSD is still very fast and many times faster than what we are used to.
Faster loading has dimishing returns, the XSX SSD is still very fast and many times faster than what we are used to.
The Fartist
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The one that plays Demon's Souls remake this November.
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Boss Mog
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All I know is the better looking games I've seen so far are on PS5. I was not impressed with Halo at all. MS fucked up big time by not making Halo Infinite the showpiece of the Series X. If they wanted it to be on the older systems they should have had some other studio port it but no compromises should be made for the Series X version, not even for the Series S. Maybe the delay will allow them to fix that but it's really unfortunate that MS hasn't really shown any exclusives that showcase the power of the Series X. The sad fact is I'm more excited about Astro's Playroom, a free game preloaded on all PS5s, than anything I've seen on the Series X. My guess is that MS will just try to tout multiplatform 3rd party games playing best on Series X. While it might be true I don't think that will be enough to help them gain significant ground versus Sony. They need quality exclusives and I'm not convinced the Bethesda acquisition will be enough, only time will tell.
PropellerEar
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PS5 seems to be perfect combo of both.
Poll missing an option.
Neither - XSeS.
Poll missing an option.
Neither - XSeS.
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martino
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in the end this is the right anwser
Gears 5 on XSX is the most impressive so far for the next gen.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Bro. Both electronics is made from China. You are pulling arguments out of your ass.
PS4 controller were also more advanced. Was the 2 hour battery time on the controller really worth it though?
GymWolf
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A framerate that goes 60-58-57-59-55-56-59-60-57 instead of being rock solid at 60 is far more noticeable and distracting than any loading time, and 2 teraflop more do just that in a system, a small yet noticeable difference even if both console aim at 60 (or 30 fps).
Maybe not that distracting for people who played all their life with shitty unstable framerates but surely noticeable for people used to stable framerates.
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Aceofspades
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Everything is made in China nowadays, quality can range from total trash to cutting edge top of the line products.
Also I don't know why you started talking about PS4? Should I answer by bringing X360 quality here?
GymWolf
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It's pretty safe to say that almost nobody has a vrr tv compatible right now and this fact is not gonna magically change in the next years, a shitload of people still play on trash 1080p lcd...
Framerate being unstable is gonna be a thing during comparison of third party games in these console and if devs are not lazy fuckers, sex is gonna have the upper hand and only fanboys can prefer better loading times compared to unstable framerate, there are games where you don't see a load screen for hours (open world or even wide open story driven games like tlou2) but every second of gameplay can be afflicted by shitty framerate, it's not even a question or something that need much thinking.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
My point was just because a controller has more rings and bells doesnt make it better.
Silent Viper
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XSX loading is great plus it has power as well. Ultimately its all comes down to who will produce better games in future. MS got games now and will have good lineup in future and so as PS5
kevin_trinh
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Of course because games still have to meet HDD requirements. If games were designed only for SSD maybe that will change something.
I love the assumption there... Do you think 3rd party games are going to be optimizing for that? Because I can almost guarantee all 3rd party games will be running better on a X.
geordiemp
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A better CPU and a better GPU or better storage/IO...Hmmm, that's a hard one...
Faster clocks, faster caches so games look better as CU are well utilised and a faster SSD as seen in how the games look
Or a server design with 4 long shader arrays and CU that are likely under utilised as seen in how the games look.
Difficult one.
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skneogaf
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Teraflop measurements that are both based on the same architecture from AMD surely have to a good indication of performance.
Less cpu frequency, less compute units and a fixed frequency on the gpu whereas a fair few of us believe the ps5 gpu won't be able to maintain the higher clock speed the gpu can hit for a constant max performance.
Its all speculation of course but its been interesting to see what people prefer even if the two consoles perform even in the end anyway graphics wise which they may just do.
I know you're one of the main Sony fanatics on here and are proud at that so I'm quite positive you won't be able to understand discussions like this are interesting to either neutrals or non fanatics.
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geordiemp
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Being serious. Also less with the fanatics trolling. I did not insult you, calling someone a fanatic is for the brainless and stupid, do you fall into that category ?
Do you think an L1 cache feeding 10 CU at 2.23 Ghz will be more or less efficient than an L1 cache feeding 14 CU at 1.825 Ghz ?
They are NOT THE SAME ARCHITECTURE are they.
Do you think RDNA2 PC parts will have big 14 CU shader arrays ?
Do you think PC parts will use XSX clocks ? lol
The shader arrays are larger as likely MS wanted 4 of them for a server design primarily (4 instances)
You stick with your TF, simple numbers eh ?
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skneogaf
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This is always the best answer!
I'll get a ps5 when it comes in black and a xbox series x just after launch.
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FunkMiller
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Can't vote on this until I see next games running on both consoles.
...and neither should anyone else.
...and neither should anyone else.
Hendrick's
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Waiting 20 seconds to play Starfield is better than waiting forever.
ricardo_sousa11
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Having the strongest console worldwide being dragged down by a botched version of itself is the dumbest move i've seen, but i hope it works out for MS.
geordiemp
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And we have a winner, there is such a disparity in arrangement and clocks its as if both consoles used the same building bricks but built very different arrangements. So different.
People thinking they can determine performance with such disparities are incorrect.
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