itsjustJEFF
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I know we're trying to simplify the argument here, but is all the PS5's faster SSD & i/O really only good for faster loading? If so Mark Cerny is a complete idiot.
Faster loading (ps5) vs more power (xsx) ?
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nordique
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agreed , And unfortunately we won't know until the systems are measured against one another in real time or with real benchmarks
it suspect the two consoles will be very similar in performance at the end of the day
i dont think either the faster ssd of the ps5 or the extra gpu power of the series x will Change the more likely reality that the games will look and run similarly on both systems
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*runs away from fanboy shit flings*
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captainraincoat
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There's merit in faster loading but a company wont stand up and talk about their console having specs that are less than their competition so they will simply try and bend the truth on what they have
and then there is the people that blindly believe everything that Cerny says even if they dont have any sort of idea on what he is talking about
itsjustJEFF
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For sure, every person standing there is trying to sell you something. They almost never tell you the whole truth. It's almost always skewed in their favor. There's good reason for them doing so. But, I also don't believe that all of these people are "evil" or always trying "get one over on you"
pixelation
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The power differential will not be enough for regular Joe to notice a difference, I bet faster loading times would be more pretty apparent to the every day man.
BlitzerRadic
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Just like how everyone is saying XSX is gonna be 4K locked 60fps and PS5 is 4k unstable 60fps without any testing?
Jigsaah
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I went with power because as the gen goes on there may be more demanding games than what we are seeing now. Loading is fine and all...but if it doesn't affect the overall gameplay then I'm fine waiting a few seconds longer. I would want to make sure my 3rd pt games play best as that makes up the bulk of the games I play.
Soulblighter31
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it wont be slower, thats my bet. People who expect these ssd's to be fully saturated at all times and load times to increase linearly are in for a shock when these boxes launch.
TeKtheSanE
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I don't appreciate that either. I really don't think we should be even having this conversation about the differences without true comparisons.
Sorry if you are looking for an argument.
Lysandros
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Nearly everyone seems to accept an imaginary fantasy as an established fact. XSX's GPU isn't 18% 'more powerful', it has the potential to push 18% more Vector ALU operations per second. This doesn't mean 18% more 'performance', far from it. PS5's GPU has 20% higher rasterization, 20% higher pixel fill rate, 20% higher cache bandwidth, more L1 and L2 cache available per CU and 20% faster ACES. Additionally PS5's GPU has advanced hardware features such as fully programmable Geometry Engine and Cache Scrubbers and these aren't there to just sound pretty. PS5's SSD is only 115% faster if we really want to pretend that the IO complex with all its hardware blocks (Coherency Engine, Coprocessors, Decompression Engine, SRAM, DMA Engine, all designed to remove every single bottleneck of the data throughput) doesn't exist and XSX's magical software solution is its equal. Based on these facts, i personaly cannot say for sure which system will (slightly) outperform the other in real world gaming scenarios. I'll wait for the comparison videos for my judgement.
TeKtheSanE
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Tell that to BlitzerRadic not me
TimFL
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I voted load times because the TFlops difference is negligible in real world multiplat scenarios and I faintly remember some rumor that claims Sony is aiming for an instant resume / Netflix like game loading experience for next gen (including transitions to live gameplay that give the illusion of a game jumping right into gameplay if your game can't load up fast enough).
We have yet to see how fast next gen games truly load on the XsX, so no judging here yet.
If they can somehow manage to make something like MS Quick Resume but for all games installed on your console, it'd be a game changer.
longdi
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Makes development easier too.
Mark Cerny is not a complete idiot.
Fanboys are the idiots here, expecting way too much from SSD tech besides moving data around.
Neo_game
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I think the reason is some people think or rather hope that PS5 runs at 2ghz or 9.2tf and only for short period of time will reach 2.23ghz
Aceofspades
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Perceivable vs imperceivable
That fact that this poll is so close just shows the insane bias towards playstation.
45% of the people are telling me they would rather have a 15 second load time than a 30 over having the game potentially look and run better?! The arguments have always been FPS or Pixel counting. And now all of a sudden load times is more important? Just doesn't make any sense.
if this poll was done 12 months ago before anyone knew about specs for the consoles I guarantee it would be 95% power.
45% of the people are telling me they would rather have a 15 second load time than a 30 over having the game potentially look and run better?! The arguments have always been FPS or Pixel counting. And now all of a sudden load times is more important? Just doesn't make any sense.
if this poll was done 12 months ago before anyone knew about specs for the consoles I guarantee it would be 95% power.
sendit
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Your post is a great example of when you're so short sighted that you can't see past how increased I/O efficiency is about more than just load times.
Mr Branding
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Neither. Portability
Aceofspades
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OP, faster loading is only one element of having fast I/O and SSD. You forgot games data streaming, higher quality assets , faster loading times, reduced duplication...etc
You are dumbing down the benefit of fast I/O to simply loading screens which is a major oversite
You are dumbing down the benefit of fast I/O to simply loading screens which is a major oversite
anothertech
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The real question:
100% faster + 100$ cheaper
Vs
15% power + 100$ expensive
Which will be noticeable
100% faster + 100$ cheaper
Vs
15% power + 100$ expensive
Which will be noticeable
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MrFunSocks
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So you went and listed all the PS5 hardware things but just...........didn't.............list any of the Series X ones, most of which are exactly the same. That amazing game changing geometry engine that Cerny talked up? Yeh the Series X has that too, only MS barely even mentioned it because what's the point when they both have the exact same thing? The Series X has a better GPU, hands down. That's not debatable. It has a massive amount more CUs, it has massively more power for Ray Tracing. It has massive amounts more memory bandwidth too.
You seem to think that Cerny is some hardware god and that no one else in the entire world has thought about these things, when the reality is that everyone is doing the same thing. Everyone has been reducing bottlenecks for I/O, not just Sony. AMD makes these APUs, they don't just hide options from one company.
99% of games aren't going to be any different in terms of game design, they'll just load *slightly* slower on the Xbox. That's it. Third parties build "safe", they don't build to take 100% advantage of every little unique thing about the systems. For third parties, GPU power counts more than SSD speed because it directly affects what goes on screen more.
Or if it was done on the day of the "PS5 is 13TF!" leaks too lol.
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Aceofspades
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skneogaf
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I'm still unsure if we will see 3rd party developers use the ssd and I/O speed of the ps5 for other than loading faster.
You see whatever game they're making has to play on ps4/Pro, xbox one s/x, xbox series s/x, pc so unless they design the ps5 version separately then it won't work any different will it?
PlayStation 5 exclusive games will be the biggest beneficiary from the ssd and I/O whereas the 3rd party games which will be the majority by far may not be anymore than a few seconds faster on the ps5.
You see whatever game they're making has to play on ps4/Pro, xbox one s/x, xbox series s/x, pc so unless they design the ps5 version separately then it won't work any different will it?
PlayStation 5 exclusive games will be the biggest beneficiary from the ssd and I/O whereas the 3rd party games which will be the majority by far may not be anymore than a few seconds faster on the ps5.
TBiddy
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Seems like an odd premise for a poll. I assume very few of us base our decisions on such a small part of the whole. For all the warring going on, in the end, it's about the games (old and new) and the experience. You're not going to see a devoted Xbox-fan go to Sony, just because they have a faster SSD, just like you're not going to see a devoted Sony-fan switch to the Xbox, just because they have 1.8TF more.
THE DUCK
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I don't see how anyone in thier right, balanced mind woukd pick having a next gen game load in 5 seconds instead of 10 vs actually having more raw rendering power for the actual game. Seriously unlikely that many games would actually benefit gameplay wise from loading in a new level instantly like the ratchet video......how did that actually help the gameplay?
The same way we know that XSX will look better. We know the XSX GPU is 18% and we know the PS5 SSD is 120% faster.
It's all speculation based on the specs.
danielJackson
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12 tf means nothing without right games and talented devs.
PS5 have both + better hardware overal
So easy choice to me.
Most xbox exclusives arent my thing (halo+forza+gears) and gamepass could turn them into mobile game level of "spam simple games with low budget)
If xbox targets 4k on series x, because they need the room to scale down to series s = PS5 can easily beat the graphics quality/be the same by doing bit lower res and upscale it. Even if in theory there would be minor difference at true 4k.
PS5 have both + better hardware overal
So easy choice to me.
Most xbox exclusives arent my thing (halo+forza+gears) and gamepass could turn them into mobile game level of "spam simple games with low budget)
If xbox targets 4k on series x, because they need the room to scale down to series s = PS5 can easily beat the graphics quality/be the same by doing bit lower res and upscale it. Even if in theory there would be minor difference at true 4k.
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MrFunSocks
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hahahaha based on what? SSD speed?
Captain Hero
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yeah its weird but I'm hoping for a reveal on Oct ( UI and other features ) . if they show nothing then Fuck
turtlepowa
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RoadHazard
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I would have preferred to have both, and I would have paid more for it, but I'll go with faster loading. The massive I/O advantage of the PS5 will be noticeable, the 17% GPU advantage of the XSX generally won't.
geordiemp
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Prove to us XSX runs games better.
Is more power just TFLOPS. does more TFLOPS give more performance and doesit scale ?
Allot of shit threads and sleeper accounts pushing narratves.
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Aceofspades
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Yes? More quality components too (Wifi 6), more advanced controller, VR headset...etc
MrFunSocks
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"more quality components too", with the example of Wifi 6 which literally means nothing for consoles? I doubt you'll ever find someone where the wifi chip in their console has been their limiting factor in anything lol. "more advanced controller" lol. Give me a break. The VR headset is not part of the console.
What else is there for the "etc"?
Zuzu
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I've only preordered an Xbox SX and that will be my main console but I've voted for the faster loading. The 15% power differential between the two consoles will hardly be noticeable if it is in fact 15% and there isn't something hidden that we don't know about. They'll probably both be running most games at the same resolution and frame rate, but the PS5 might have a few settings slightly lower, like slightly lower resolution shadows or a little bit less refined volumetric lighting. For me, that's not worth worrying about and wouldn't decrease the enjoyment of a game.
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BlueXImpulse
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When the difference is as small as it is on the GPU side (20%) I'm going for faster I/O. It won't mean much for third party but when the gap in first party quality was as big as it was last gen and you basically remove all RAM restrictions for first party on Sony's side it's going to make a big difference.
CrysisFreak
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At least 40% less than Seriex.
Hopefully more, I mean the loading time improvements shown by Xbox so far are godawful. The improvements should be more significant.
RoadHazard
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If the two factors were the same, as in 130% faster I/O speed vs 130% more GPU power, I'd agree. But it's not like that. It's 130% faster I/O vs 17% more GPU power.
BlueXImpulse
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MrFunSocks
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I forgot that ssd speeds are what give us amazing games. Games like RDR2, The Last of Us 2, Bloodborne, Forza Horizon, etc are only possible with super duper cerny SSDs, right?
So many people on here are going to be incredibly disappointed when the only thing the Cerny Magic SSD gives them is slightly faster loading times while 99% of games look and perform better on the Series X.