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[Pagusas]

I mean, cosmetic difference and performance improvements are what I would expect from a major update, not to mention a few new features, which are there. Andriod, iOS, OSX, and Ubuntu are no different in that regard. I guess I'm not sure what people are expecting. It's Windows and it will run like it.

With major numbered/named OS updates from MS we've come to expect major API changes, the most recent of which was the way audio was handled by the whole OS (a reason many people hated 8 so much is it basically destroyed the sound card market and made things a cluster for awhile). With the transition from 8 to 10 MS rewrote the entire desktop system allowing native virtual desktops and a fully hardware accelerated logon to logoff experience. Those are big deals (even if not the flashiest of things). Windows 10 to 11 seems to have no such major rewrite in anything. It more seems like a standard yearly update to 10 except they decided to rename it to 11 for marketing reasons.

 

[ResilientBanana]

With major numbered/named OS updates from MS we've come to expect major API changes, the most recent of which was the way audio was handled by the whole OS (a reason many people hated 8 so much is it basically destroyed the sound card market and made things a cluster for awhile). With the transition from 8 to 10 MS rewrote the entire desktop system allowing native virtual desktops and a fully hardware accelerated logon to logoff experience. Those are big deals (even if not the flashiest of things). Windows 10 to 11 seems to have no such major rewrite in anything. It more seems like a standard yearly update to 10 except they decided to rename it to 11 for marketing reasons.

We know only a few things about the OS from the leak. The UI has changed, it's lighter weight, and performance has increased. Other than that, I don't think people have gotten past appearances to really know what else has changed. So really, writing it off as some odd release might be a bit premature.

 

[Pagusas]

We know only a few things about the OS from the leak. The UI has changed, it's lighter weight, and performance has increased. Other than that, I don't think people have gotten past appearances to really know what else has changed. So really, writing it off as some odd release might be a bit premature.

Very true, but you'd think we would have heard about any big changes now. But who knows, maybe tomorrow they'll show us something unexpected!

 

[Forsete]

Livestream about to start my bros.

Edit: Bah, they tricked me. It starts in 1 hour. Now some fat guy is building a PC. Ignore this stream, sorry bros.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

i'm hoping they reveal something new. the visual changes are nice but it feels like just a new look Windows 10. i want to see something that justifies them calling it Windows 11 and not Windows 10 21H2

 

[Syphon Filter]

i'm hoping they reveal something new. the visual changes are nice but it feels like just a new look Windows 10. i want to see something that justifies them calling it Windows 11 and not Windows 10 21H2

7 was pretty much Vista, not the first time a new os for Microsoft looked similar. w98 was similar to 95.

 

[Pagusas]

7 was pretty much Vista, not the first time a new os for Microsoft looked similar. w98 was similar to 95.

And yet 7 is hailed as a wondrous amazing OS and Vista is blamed for eating babies and such.

 

[Armorian]

 

[ntropy]

 

[ksdixon]

I've run into a few applications (all older, like Windows XP days) that simply won't run or won't display properly but work fine in Windows 10

Which apps are you having issues with?

My biggest gripe with the new task bar is that in Windows 10 I always set it for full text (not just icons) and to only combine when the taskbar was full. These settings simply don't exist in Windows 11 like they did in Windows 10.

Try WinAeroTweaker? It's come in handy for me when MS have removed stuff. Please also try to move the taskbar to the top/sides with this software too, and let me know the results. I cannot get W11 on my old device.

 

[It's all in the wrist]

It has some neat features to be sure, like the evolution of the snap function. But the ads and forced online account requirement are the reason why they are updating the system. These updates are getting more openly hostile with every release.

Ads in the operating system that I am forced to use is disrespectful. It's a blatant waste of my time and attention. There's a reason why is free.

 

[niilokin]

did they show the control panel

 

[ResilientBanana]

did they show the control panel

no, it was consumer focused, not power user.

 

[01011001]

just found out that you can't up the taskbar to the top of the screen anymore...

this honestly might keep me from upgrading. wtf is Microsoft thinking?

 

[Thabass]

They confirmed no Tabs being added to Explorer (yet). Which makes me sad. But the rest of it looked great. I may actually ditch FB Messenger for Teams now.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

finally got the pc health check app to confirm i can install windows 11. enabled TPM in BIOS and my BIOS was in Legacy. It's now UEFI with Secure Boot enabled.

if people need to do this to get it installed then W11 ain't gonna be on many PCs. there is too much fuckery with BIOS/Command Prompt for the average user.

can't wait to do a clean install of W11 and say goodbye to W10.

 

[Celcius]

Just enabled TPM/PTT in my bios and I'm ready to give windows 11 a try.

My only concern is my sound card... it's an old Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD and first I was using it with windows 7, then they eventually released a windows 10 driver, and now I doubt they're going to release a windows 11 driver for such an old card. I may finally make the switch to onboard audio... or maybe even use an external audio solution.
Is it known if windows 10 drivers would work with windows 11?

 

[jshackles]

Is it known if windows 10 drivers would work with windows 11?

So far, everything I've loaded up has worked with Windows 10 drivers. But your individual results may vary / I'm running the dev build that's not final code.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

wtf we need to wait until H1 2022 for this? hopefully MS let people manually install it with media creation tool at launch instead of having to wait for it to roll out.

Just enabled TPM/PTT in my bios and I'm ready to give windows 11 a try.

My only concern is my sound card... it's an old Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD and first I was using it with windows 7, then they eventually released a windows 10 driver, and now I doubt they're going to release a windows 11 driver for such an old card. I may finally make the switch to onboard audio... or maybe even use an external audio solution.
Is it known if windows 10 drivers would work with windows 11?

there's a good chance it will still work. Windows 11 is more of a face lift than anything. It's basically Windows 10 with a new look. I don't see any reason why your sound card would stop working.

what motherboard do you have? i had a creative sound blaster sound card and when i upgraded to a new motherboard i actually thought the mobo had much better audio so sold the sound card. you'd be surprised how good onboard audio is these days.

 

[IgnotumCL]

Windows 11 runs smoothly and fine but GSync isn't available yet, so if you're gamer I highly recommend you to wait!

 

[Celcius]

wtf we need to wait until H1 2022 for this? hopefully MS let people manually install it with media creation tool at launch instead of having to wait for it to roll out.


there's a good chance it will still work. Windows 11 is more of a face lift than anything. It's basically Windows 10 with a new look. I don't see any reason why your sound card would stop working.

what motherboard do you have? i had a creative sound blaster sound card and when i upgraded to a new motherboard i actually thought the mobo had much better audio so sold the sound card. you'd be surprised how good onboard audio is these days.

I have the Asus Maximus XII Hero motherboard

 

[KielCasto]

I'm so confused by the "soft floor" and "hard floor" requirements. I'm kinda hoping that there would be a workaround the soft floor since I have an older processor.

I'm glad that the widgets seem to be separated. It looks cleaner that way. And the snap function makes it easier for less-computer-savvy people to use than now.

 

[FireFly]

With major numbered/named OS updates from MS we've come to expect major API changes, the most recent of which was the way audio was handled by the whole OS (a reason many people hated 8 so much is it basically destroyed the sound card market and made things a cluster for awhile). With the transition from 8 to 10 MS rewrote the entire desktop system allowing native virtual desktops and a fully hardware accelerated logon to logoff experience. Those are big deals (even if not the flashiest of things). Windows 10 to 11 seems to have no such major rewrite in anything. It more seems like a standard yearly update to 10 except they decided to rename it to 11 for marketing reasons.

The fact that DirectStorage is not shipping on Windows 10, could indicate that it required a rewrite of the IO system. Also Microsoft promised faster performance and better battery life, and early benchmarks show some significant gains on Intels hybrid "Lakefield" series of processors. There were rumours that Windows 11 was designed specifically to take advantage of the upcoming hybrid Alder Lake processors from Intel.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

i've joined the W11 dev channel so hopefully i get Windows 11 next week.

I have the Asus Maximus XII Hero motherboard

well you have a better/newer motherboard than me. i have a Z390 Aorus Master. i'm no audiophile but like i said i ditched my Creative sound card to go with onboard audio cause i thought it was better. also, of course one less piece of hardware means less chance of something going wrong. you should try running onboard audio and see what you think.

I'm so confused by the "soft floor" and "hard floor" requirements. I'm kinda hoping that there would be a workaround the soft floor since I have an older processor.

I'm glad that the widgets seem to be separated. It looks cleaner that way. And the snap function makes it easier for less-computer-savvy people to use than now.

i guess instead of thinking of hard/soft just think of minimum and recommended.

minimum (hard):

CPU: dual core with 1GHz
RAM: 4GB
Storage: 64GB
TPM: v1.2
SecureBoot: Enabled

i'd say that the vast majority of people will easily satisfy these requirements. if you've got a PC from 2010 onwards you will 99% be able to run Windows 11. in fact unless you have a PC from pre 2007 with less than 4GB RAM you will likely have no issues running Windows 11.

recommended (soft):

CPU: dual core with 1GHz. 8th gen Intel or higher
RAM: 4GB
Storage: 64GB
TPM: v2.0
SecureBoot: Enabled

anyone with a PC built after 2017 will easily pass this but this is just an ideal spec for the best performance/security.

 

[KielCasto]

i guess instead of thinking of hard/soft just think of minimum and recommended.

minimum (hard):

CPU: dual core with 1GHz
RAM: 4GB
Storage: 64GB
TPM: v1.2
SecureBoot: Enabled

i'd say that the vast majority of people will easily satisfy these requirements. if you've got a PC from 2010 onwards you will 99% be able to run Windows 11. in fact unless you have a PC from pre 2007 with less than 4GB RAM you will likely have no issues running Windows 11.

recommended (soft):

CPU: dual core with 1GHz. 8th gen Intel or higher
RAM: 4GB
Storage: 64GB
TPM: v2.0
SecureBoot: Enabled

anyone with a PC built after 2017 will easily pass this but this is just an ideal spec for the best performance/security.

Huh. That actually worked.
I guess now I'll just wait for stories on how well Windows 11 runs on "hard" hardware. I don't want to mess things up now or on beta.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Does anyone know anything about installing Win 11 on an intel mac using bootcamp?

 

[Pagusas]

Does anyone know anything about installing Win 11 on an intel mac using bootcamp?

dont macs lack TPM? If so until a workaround is made (which for sure will be done) no official support will be there

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

more leaks from MS employee apparently EDIT: yup he hasn't censored his name in all the screenshots lol googled him and he does work at MS...at least for now. R'uh r'oh.

posted by this guy on twitter

 

[TTOOLL]

more leaks from MS employee apparently

posted by this guy on twitter

Like why the hell didn't they show it during the event???

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Like why the hell didn't they show it during the event???

 

[reksveks]

Like why the hell didn't they show it during the event???

The audience for that video doesn't care about it in their mind. I am not really sure who they thought that video was for though. It seemed like a infomercial for businesses and it kinda hit their goals aka promoting teams and the openness of the app store.

 

[Droxcy]

I welcome the cleaner look and the start bar looks more useful hopefully the desktop app/pin support is there for my 3rd monitor

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Windows 11 Insider Dev Channel is live!!!! Downloading now.

EDIT: installed. I'm impressed at how good it looks and sounds. feels completely different from W10. it might be W10 "under the hood" but really feels like next gen windows.

unless i encounter something seriously broken then there is no way i'm going back to W10. this is a big step up. i'm impressed MS.

 

[Fake]

 

[Armorian]

Windows 11 runs smoothly and fine but GSync isn't available yet, so if you're gamer I highly recommend you to wait!

Works fine for me (adaptive sync on freesync monitor with Nvidia), overall insider build seems fine at the moment

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Windows 11 runs smoothly and fine but GSync isn't available yet, so if you're gamer I highly recommend you to wait!

working fine for me

 

[Ryu1999]

They took away the option have text labels for the taskbar buttons

 

[ResilientBanana]

more leaks from MS employee apparently EDIT: yup he hasn't censored his name in all the screenshots lol googled him and he does work at MS...at least for now. R'uh r'oh.

posted by this guy on twitter

These look great

 

[jshackles]

They took away the option have text labels for the taskbar buttons

This is my biggest gripe with 11 also.

 

[Mithos]

The Trusted Platform Module is what's worrying me a little.

I read somewhere that TPM keys is stored in firmware space somewhere. (if you use Firmware TPM)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I activate "Firmware TPM" and in Windows then activates and encrypt my drives with Bitlocker.
Keys will be stored in firmware space. Now where I to update my bios, they will be overwritten and I will be locked out from my system?

 

[ResilientBanana]

This is probably the cringiest video from Linus. He makes a point to say that Microsoft added something to the OS, but then tells you why it sucks and that it's comparable to something else. How else does a software company compete if they aren't on par? Secondly, barely anyone uses Linux.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

This is probably the cringiest video from Linus. He makes a point to say that Microsoft added something to the OS, but then tells you why it sucks and that it's comparable to something else. How else does a software company compete if they aren't on par? Secondly, barely anyone uses Linux.

He does that a lot. His videos have got worse. I used to watch all the time but got sick of him

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

The Trusted Platform Module is what's worrying me a little.

I read somewhere that TPM keys is stored in firmware space somewhere. (if you use Firmware TPM)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I activate "Firmware TPM" and in Windows then activates and encrypt my drives with Bitlocker.
Keys will be stored in firmware space. Now where I to update my bios, they will be overwritten and I will be locked out from my system?

Enabling tpm doesn't automatically enable bitlocker and Encrypt your drives. bitlocker is entirely optional and works better with a tpm as it stores your key in the tpm. If You enable bitlocker without a tpm you just need to manually decrypt your drive with a password.

even If you did enable bitlocker and got locked out you'll have a recovery key.

also if you are gonna update bios you can wipe the tpm before updating it

 

[ResilientBanana]

He does that a lot. His videos have got worse. I used to watch all the time but got sick of him

It's like he's looking for that troll money. The Windows 11 event was very Consumer-focused and not really Developer-focused. Not to mention it got people talking about TPM modules prior to release, which has invoked me to purchase one myself. Regardless, I used to respect the dude, but he seems to have turned into more mis-informed youtuber that follows the hip trends rather than truly being informative. sad.

 

[Vestal]

I just installed it on my main Home PC.. Runs pretty well, and I do love all the nice visual upgrades they have done to the UI. Have only really scratched the surface so far. Having said that the update took all of 10-20min to complete and as soon as it was done I was brought back to my desktop with the same windows I had open prior to the restart, only now in Windows 11.

Specs:
Asus ROG STRIX X470-F
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
32GB Corsair DDR4 Ram
Nvidia RTX 2070
NVMe M.2 Samsung 970 Pro 512GB(Windows Installation)

Have a Samsung EVO 980 NVMe M.2 drive I need to install this weekend that will probably replace the primary Pro drive I have.

 

[Insane Metal]

How can I install this? I wanna try it

edit: nm, googled it. I'm on windows insider but I see no option to download it.

 

[CloudNull]

Will installing this cause any issues while gaming?

 

[Armorian]

How can I install this? I wanna try it

edit: nm, googled it. I'm on windows insider but I see no option to download it.

I downloaded if from windows update. You have to run on WI in the settings menu

Will installing this cause any issues while gaming?

Potentially, so far I have no issues.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I'm going to laugh when people that are using it for their day-to-day computing lose access because they start enforcing the TPM Chip and System Requirements. People, don't run this on your machine as your default OS.

 

[TTOOLL]

The videos I saw impressed me, animations are crazy good. Really pleasant experience.