Shrap
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An exclusive quest in a Harry Potter game? Jim Ryan really has gone too far this time. Microsoft better buy EA in response.
[CNBC] Phil Spencer: We are not putting a pause on acquisitions. Also not raising console prices.
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An exclusive quest in a Harry Potter game? Jim Ryan really has gone too far this time. Microsoft better buy EA in response.
SteelCurtain 59
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Games releasing on Xbox/PC/Cloud will be able to reach way more players than Xbox/PC/Playstation, in this scenario the only people cut off are Playstation fans who are unable to play on Cloud, people who are financially unable to buy another console, or people who stubbornly refuse to play on anything but Playstation. The first group likely isn't that large, for the 2nd group, the Bethesda deal was announced prior to this gen and the Activision deal was announced early enough that the vast majority of people buying these consoles would be aware that these games probably would go exclusive at some point. And the third group doesn't matter at all.
I have empathy for the first two groups, but the amount of people they can reach via the Cloud will be substantially more than Playstation, because just about every PS5 owner would likely be able to play via the Cloud anyways. And with Day 1 on PC and the super cheap Series S, accessing Xbox games is about as easy and affordable as you could possibly make it. I don't have any issue with Phil saying they're trying to reach as many gamers as possible, because it's true. Microsoft shouldn't try and cater to the stubborn people who refuse to game on Xbox, same as Sony shouldn't try and cater to the stubborn people who refuse to game on Playstation. Microsoft is making it possible for basically anybody to reasonably be able to play Xbox games, it's not their fault some people want to restrict themselves and refuse to take advantage of any of the numerous ways to play Xbox games just because it doesn't say Sony on the box
DeepEnigma
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Slicker than your average
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I've already got a post in this thread a sample of his lies.
Everytime he opens his mouth and talks about doing it for the gamers and saying exclusives are bad for the industry while simultaneously saying more exclusives on the way (after buying them ofc) shows the circus he is playing. Shame the cultists refuse to admit this. Like I said I wouldn't care if he just had the balls to talk plainly and stop lying.
This is rich, you are constantly trolling along with the other 5/6 usual suspects. I've never seen you offer any credible factual argument either.Get the hate out of your heart. It's only video games. You like price increases? Cool. I don't. MS is supporting their customers just like Sony is. Why not go outside and get some air.
jm89
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Don't know really know much about Canadian market so can't say much. My point was about Europe anyway, a much bigger market where Xbox can't compete even with a lower price tag and £1 gamepass deals. And this includes UK one of Xbox biggest market outside USA.
PhaseJump
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Phil is the king of offering practical and inclusive PR feedback.
They need to acquire Japanese studios to fill in the 1st party content gaps and give them a solid, doubtless position going forward. Buying Sega would solve everything wrong with Xbox from a perception standpoint. Similarly, buying up Bandai Namco Holdings would do the same, and also give them insane IP & other media to draw from.
They need to acquire Japanese studios to fill in the 1st party content gaps and give them a solid, doubtless position going forward. Buying Sega would solve everything wrong with Xbox from a perception standpoint. Similarly, buying up Bandai Namco Holdings would do the same, and also give them insane IP & other media to draw from.
SenjutsuSage
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Imtjnotu
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not here in socal. havent seen a series X in awhile. i need something for the living room and i refuse a series S lol
bxrz
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Deathloop was a GOTY nomination. Where are you getting nobody cared about it?
StreetsofBeige
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100% true.
As crazy as it seems, gaming has spread and revenue has skyrocketed, but console hardware sales have been flat for probably 15-20 years. Growth has come from PC and mobile. It's like there's a certain core audience of console buyers that's topped out and all MS, Sony and Nintendo do is trade off one another each gen.
All the while, mobile and PC grow organically. Or they simply convert console gamers and the new people buying consoles for the first time make it a wash.
That's where the money is - mobile and PC. And that industry chart people post once in while even showed mobile is 50% of gaming revenue, while PC was I think 15%(?) and the 3 console makers split the rest. And mobile was still growing at the highest rate too so that 50% will grow to 51%, 52% etc.... until it hits a saturation point.
MS has been the most attune with PC gaming as they've been making PC games for ages. PS not really until recent ports, and Nintendo zero. Nintendo had a couple mobile games and Sony has that giant Grand Order Fate game so they know mobile can be giant. Only recently has Sony finally focused on PC ports and a new mobile group. Thats not due to MS buying Activision. Thats due to finally realizing there's only so much to squeeze from the console market. Digital sales are already about 75% and people spend a ton on mtx, but theres only so much more to go for Sony from PS4/PS5 console gamers.
James Sawyer Ford
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DeepEnigma
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The mental gymnastics in here, I swear.
Bernd Lauert
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But more than Xbox/PC/Playstation. That's the point.
DeepEnigma
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Bernd Lauert
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Zero gymnastics, only common sense
Previously: Xbox/PC/Playstation. In the future: Xbox/PC/Cloud. Result: the latter reaches way more potential gamers than the former. More gamers reached, goal achieved.
DeepEnigma
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Purposely obtuse.Zero gymnastics, only common sense
James Sawyer Ford
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Uhh ok. I feel like this is a third grade IQ test that should be pretty easy for most people to pass
So clearly Phil doesn't want to reach the most gamers if he wants to not include PlayStation.
I also think it's pretty hilarious that some think cloud is bigger than PlayStation. We've been hearing that cloud is the future for ten years and it hasn't happened. Even on a wicked fast connection it runs like garbage compared to a native platform. It ain't taking off anytime soon
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James Sawyer Ford
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You know guys, we like Bethesda and how they are on all platforms, but we'd really like to acquire them so we can reach more gamers by excluding PlayStation entirely
Bernd Lauert
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>be PS boi
>want to play Xbox game
>pay $1
>play game on any device of your choice
It even saves you a ton of money. It's an absolute win.
Not yet, of course.
This has never been an argument. Tech needs time to dominate. Commercial internet took 15 years to become really mainstream.
Simply not true.
As soon as we have ubiqutous 5G, it's over. Should happen this decade.
James Sawyer Ford
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I have a very fast connection and tried xCloud streaming and it is just as bad as I remember PlayStation now
It's nowhere near ready for prime time
DeepEnigma
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Nothing screams an amazing experience, like playing a twitch shooter like CoD over latent streaming.
Bernd Lauert
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Have you tried Stadia? It's basically flawless. xCloud still has some work to do.
Banjo64
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Wait I though the rumour was that Kena is a timed exclusive, no? Surely if Sony part funded the development it's not going to go to Xbox or Switch?
Sosokrates
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There can be new players. Also sony + Nintendo already has a substantial offering, that will always have value.Except that only one of the three players has the means to gobble up gigantic chunks. That is the difference. We would not have had this whole controversy if MS had decided to allow franchises that used to come out on all systems, for years and years and years, to maintain their status, while enjoying the fact that they -the titles- would be available day one on gamepass (Doom, ES, Wolfeinstein, Arkane games)...Plus, any new IP would be exclusive to MS. That would have been a good compromise, instead of the BS that MS fanboys are applauding with both ass cheecks. Sounds reasonable to me...
Also lol at you implying that zenimax games should not be exclusive, theres no rule saying long time franchises should remain multiplatform... Thats the whole point in exclusives, if you want to play those games you can via xbox,cloud and PC. Thats competition, thats business.
DeepEnigma
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It's literally twice the latency of native. And that is at it's "perfect" environment. Which most of the time, is the not the case in all areas.
SLB1904
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Old Sony I would say yeah. But now, don't know
Sosokrates
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No, but thats not what is happening. Playstation still has more market share then Xbox. When Xbox is making more money then playstation and is eyeing up take 2 and EA, then we can talk. But ms acquiring acti-blizz and xbox being bigger then playstation is not a monopoly.
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chromhound
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Basically saying fuck you Sony
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Zero gymnastics, only common sense
I think it's way more likelier that MS published Activision games end up on Switch/Switch 2 than ever before.
The deficit of potential users will be easily overcome.
Kena is a timed exclusive, the developers said as much after the game came out. But we've seen examples like FFVII R where Sony have the option to keep extending the time period, so who knows what's going on internally with the game.
Kena released September 21st, so if it has a standard 1 year exclusivity, we might start hearing about it in a week or two.
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oldergamer
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Except he just did. I've not see you offer any credible or factual arguments either.
oldergamer
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not likely, i don't expect it to appear on xbox, you can bet sony took part in that.
Roberts
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I watched the video and don't see what the fuss is all about. If you ever seen any interview with Phil, he never gives yes or no answers. Even when he talks about stuff that he can freely discuss, for example, the games he plays, his answers can be a bit vague or he can ramble on (perhaps he's not super comfortable in front of the camera), but he never seems to lie or deliberately confuse a listener. And here he has to answer questions that he can't answer directly for very obvious reasons. You could make a case that he shouldn't talk at all, but that is another story.
DeepEnigma
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Like... a politician. Well, old school ones. Current year they flat out deliberately lie to your faces.
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James Sawyer Ford
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I have not, but I would be shocked if it's what you claim
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Step5: wake up Mr. Anderson
envyzeal
Wants protagonists to make his peepee soft
You think putting gamepass everywhere is a bad idea for Microsoft?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No no, just that you were putting points that go way in the future.
envyzeal
Wants protagonists to make his peepee soft
I was about to put step 5 Phil's retirement and return of Don Mattrick the Second and the downfall of so many great studios under a single umbrella.
Step 6 is the new dawn of indies and new IPs with the stampede of devs from big companies like Sony and Microsoft.
Book incoming.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If Mattrick ever returns to Xbox, it'll be the worst.
sendit
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Agreed. If you factor in the data structure defined by the Xbox eco system to expand the ownership platform as being gender neutral in terms of todays society. We can only come to one certain ideal solution. A generational gap in the thought process. In relation to, we are free from the confines and restrictions of the real world. Xbox + PC + PlayStation < Xbox + Cloud + PC, this part is very much real. To defy logic is to defy the reincarnation of god.
thebigmanjosh
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IIRC you're in my area. Go get yourself an Xbox
Imtjnotu
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Just ordered for mission valley!
thebigmanjosh
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Lognor
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SE definitely waiting for MS to offer that Game Pass money. I think that's the only way most people would play it on Xbox at this point (myself included). I'm just glad MS is willing to open their wallets for jrpgs that wouldn't otherwise come to Xbox (Octopath, Persona games, etc). Really a great time for jrpgs on Xbox, even if they are a bit late. I mean, Octopath never even came to PS4/5 because Sony didn't offer that PS+ money. MS smartly did offer money to get it on Game Pass.
I suggest you re-read the discussion I was having with the other chap to get the right context. Because you're way off the mark
This is less about Spencer lying and more about your comprehension skills letting you down. He's never, ever said as a blanket statement that exclusives are bad for the industry.
None of you folks that shriek about 'lies' has anything to substantiate these arguments. Definitely being done in bad faith.
PaintTinJr
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True, but he and Jim have been freely talking about their info to regulators, but this interview was with finance people (wasn't it?) so his only reason for not answering some things is likely driven the risk of saying something that has to be officially announced to the stock market first IMO, and as the offer is already made - all public info -, my deduction would be that they are already in planning to step away - like Nvidia did with ARM - and the risk of letting that slip would breach FTC rules.
He's talking about bringing games to 2 Billion users isn't he? and using the word cloud to mask the proprietary Microsoft API shackling of the acquired IPs in the acquisition so it just looks like he's a good guy buying a publisher that was too stupid to exploit cloud distribution - despite CoD being a twitch shooter that needs 60 or 120fps, which isn't clouds strong suit.
The idea that they can expand the appeal of CoD beyond what Activision has already done with " the potential number of people who will be able to play the game will increase even if CoD is removed from PlayStation." is far fetched IMO considering they've only got around 400million outlook/hotmail accounts - which is an essential service that people need and that is free and that's all they've managed to expand it to - and PlayStation's non-cloud CoD userbase is significant to the products success.
At the end of one of the clips it shows their share price down ~2.5% IIRC, which if I'm not mistaken is around $50 billion off their market cap, sort of putting the insignificance of their offer for Activision into perspective,
onesvenus
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Or the process can't be talked about freely- I don't think conversations with regulatory agencies other than public documents can be freely shared. Saying that him not wanting to talk about it means they are planning to step away, with a penalty of $3B, is quite a leap IMO.
Activision hasn't released a single CoD on the best selling platform. Just changing that would expand the appeal of CoD. Add to that the number of people who will play via cloud through their smart TVs and I don't really think it is.
But anyway, it's all conjetures. You think one way without any proof and I think the other way without any proof either