Support NeoGAF

[Pallas]

So Phil is racist against playstation users and only wants to reach the most gamers on the platforms he wants to push?

This is the most idiotic post I've read on here and that honestly says a lot with the amount of shit you see on here from console warring on both sides.

 

[Kacho]

I watched the two clips in the OP and nothing in them jumped out at me as controversial. Why are people melting down?

 

[Bojanglez]

Phil being Phil, you always have to take his words literally and not in good faith, so "No plans today" to increase console prices, doesn't mean they will not.

Also his definition of competition is interesting
"Competition is about driving competitors to innovate, competition is to do new things like cloud, like subscriptions and building new intellectual property"
His actions
- Jump on the cloud gaming bandwagon, whilst leveraging their parent company's position in a very uncompetitive market to gain an advantage
- Built no new IP of significance for 2 generations of consoles
- Buy out whole publishers in an attempt to (most likely using the parent company's profits from dominance in other markets to make these acquisitions)

All of the above are not really innovating, they are calculated corporate moves that will reshape the industry, for better or for worse. The outrage that people had when MS were making their games all online only and single license, now people are all in on GamePass (which is effectively the same except games can be taken away), as soon as they get in a dominant position, I wouldn't be surprised if they remove game 'sales' completely or at least physical.

 

[Ansphn]

why would they put a pause on acquisition lol

Have to look strong for the fanboys when you dont have games for them.

 

[Gambit2483]

Phil being Phil, you always have to take his words literally and not in good faith, so "No plans today" to increase console prices, doesn't mean they will not.

Also his definition of competition is interesting
"Competition is about driving competitors to innovate, competition is to do new things like cloud, like subscriptions and building new intellectual property"
His actions
- Jump on the cloud gaming bandwagon, whilst leveraging their parent company's position in a very uncompetitive market to gain an advantage
- Built no new IP of significance for 2 generations of consoles
- Buy out whole publishers in an attempt to (most likely using the parent company's profits from dominance in other markets to make these acquisitions)

All of the above are not really innovating, they are calculated corporate moves that will reshape the industry, for better or for worse. The outrage that people had when MS were making their games all online only and single license, now people are all in on GamePass (which is effectively the same except games can be taken away), as soon as they get in a dominant position, I wouldn't be surprised if they remove game 'sales' completely or at least physical.

Right. MS, at this point with Xbox, is in a full blown, "If you can't beat'em, buy'em" strategy.

When has that strategy ever led to healthy competition which drives healthy innovation?

 

[Kiraly]

I watched the two clips in the OP and nothing in them jumped out at me as controversial. Why are people melting down?

Any Phil Spencer thread is guaranteed to be filled with triggered people frothing at the mouth, it's nothing new.

 

[SportsFan581]

Interesting that the anchors are aware of Tencent and JRPGs. This was actually a well thought out interview.

The second interview has some great quotes about output, competition and value.

Full says some games will have exclusivity, but easy to access.

This hits all the right notes.

Agreed. MS has had solid messaging for the entirety of this gen so far. That's on display here as well.

No one can reasonably argue against the fact that the Xbox exclusive software is more easily accessible to those without Xboxes than Sony's or Nintendo's. The day one PC and Cloud availability ensures that. And the value angle is basically untouchable too.

I don't think MS has a problem continuing to make CoD available on PS, there's still a lot to gain by adding it to GP.

 

[sainraja]

More Phil talking in riddles and doublespeak

"our goal is to reach more gamers"

"Exclusives have always been part of our industry and strategy and will continue to be"

The total cognitive dissonance on display is mind boggling.

Well, he probably also has to balance what he says with what the business directive is. He also seems to be good at the double-speak so.....so he's doing his job haha. He seems like a nice guy and it is very possible that he just has his hands tied.....it would have been completely disruptive if they actually decided to (on their own accord) put their games on any platform there is (even their competitors) along with continuing to make their own console and support it. They have the funds to go that route also. This would have allowed them to PUSH Game Pass even harder — even if Sony/Nintendo wouldn't allow it in their ecosystems, players would be playing theirs games on PS/Nintendo systems and there is a thing that exists outside of that, other channels where those same people will interact with your content, where they could be influenced to jump into Game Pass as an option.

 

[SportsFan581]

The reality is 2 platform holders didn't and one greedy platform holder did.

This! Switch still has solid demand as far as I know too. Add to that the fact that consoles typically move in the opposite direction in pricing, regardless of the popularity or market position of the hardware.

 

[Frank Horrigan]

What an odd post. You're being sarcastic towards one console manufacturer for not raising the price while defending the other for doing it, for products which launched roughly at the same MSRP.

The PS5 (Disc version) was reportedly profitable to Sony as of Q1 2021, and they're not a small struggling company, they could easy have eaten the increase to not put it on the consumer, heck they're doing it just fine in the US at least, while the rest of the world gets anywhere from 10 to 20% increase.

It's like a royal rumble with you lot. Defeat one and the next one jumps in. I'll just highlight my favourite bits of your double standards

and they're not a small struggling company, they could easy have eaten the increase to not put it on the consumer

Are you talking about Sony or Microsoft? Seems as the xsx IS STILL more expensive than the ps5.

for products which launched roughly at the same MSRP.

£90 difference is roughly the same, yet a 10% increase (on a cheaper console) is a big difference? Even though the increase of the ps5 IS STILL a cheaper product than the xsx.

Tag out, let one of your friends jump in the ring next.

 

[jm89]

Makes sense to not raise price. Xsx are not selling out in Europe even with a lower price tag to ps5.

If anyone wants to see the impact of price increase for ps5 in places like Europe. Amazon uk had horizon bundle with the new price tag a few days ago and that shit sold out in a few hours.

 

[adamsapple]

I watched the two clips in the OP and nothing in them jumped out at me as controversial. Why are people melting down?

You know why

£90 difference is roughly the same,t.

90 difference ? What are you talking about ? Are you equating the disc-less edition with the disc based ones for both PS5 and SX which sold at the same MSRP ?

My dude you're talking about royal rumbles, your logic has gone to the Elimination Chamber here

 

[elliot5]

Phil being Phil, you always have to take his words literally and not in good faith, so "No plans today" to increase console prices, doesn't mean they will not.

Also his definition of competition is interesting
"Competition is about driving competitors to innovate, competition is to do new things like cloud, like subscriptions and building new intellectual property"
His actions
- Jump on the cloud gaming bandwagon, whilst leveraging their parent company's position in a very uncompetitive market to gain an advantage
- Built no new IP of significance for 2 generations of consoles
- Buy out whole publishers in an attempt to (most likely using the parent company's profits from dominance in other markets to make these acquisitions)

All of the above are not really innovating, they are calculated corporate moves that will reshape the industry, for better or for worse. The outrage that people had when MS were making their games all online only and single license, now people are all in on GamePass (which is effectively the same except games can be taken away), as soon as they get in a dominant position, I wouldn't be surprised if they remove game 'sales' completely or at least physical.

I like how you point out the "flaws" in their business that arent rebuttals to his statement.

MS is hardly a "bandwagonner" in Cloud lol.

You can easily make a list of the competitive, innovative strategies deployed by MS under his tenure:
- Introducing Game pass console and pc
- bringing first party on console and pc on the same day (in most cases)
- introducing id@xbox
- introducing id@azure
- bringing first party day 1 to game pass
- game pass family plan
- cloud streaming owned titles (soon)
- introducing a two tier console hardware option
- introducing Xbox All Access and partnering with telecoms and retailers
- backwards compatibility and system level enhancements

Dudes be like buying IP instead of building your own is a sin while they go watch Avengers 9, something that would have never happened unless Disney "simply" bought out Marvel and built out their ip effectively

 

[TheGodfather07]

Phil 'gangsta' Spencer going for EA and ubisoft next.

 

[//DEVIL//]

He mentions right at the start that he's limited on what he can say about the ongoing acquisition. He can't answer those questions directly. Throw around insults all you like, but in the midst of international investigations around this acquisition, every comment Microsoft makes is scrutinized. He cannot and should not speak openly and freely, and any comments he can make have likely been approved in advance by Microsoft's legal team.

Also. The questions were ridiculous. No one in the business world makes deals in perpetuity. Case in point, Sony's existing deal with Activision was not in perpetuity. You write contracts, then re-up those contracts at regular intervals with adjustments made as needed. Anyone expecting Microsoft, Sony, Tencent or any corporate entity to make a permanent contact of any kind with another corporate entity is showing their incredible ignorance to how any of this works.

1- I didn't insult anyone. When I insult, it be obvious. All I said he was a snake and he was. Of course we know why, you didn't have to type a newspaper about it. Big aquasitions can't be discussed in public like you are going to buy a lollipop

2- these questions were dead on awesome. These questions came from someone who you can tell us watching the scene closely and care about it. A real gamer who actually care.

Nothing worse than pre-agreed formal questions. So boring and annoying

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Team Ninja is a multiplatform studio. They've just announced a PlayStation exclusive game that's a new IP.

I shouldn't need to explain how it isn't uncommon for multiplatform studios to make exclusive games.

I don't see Jim Ryan on national TV saying he did the Team Ninja deal in order to reach as many gamers as possible

Secondly, Team Ninja is a tiny studio that lives and dies by publisher support

They are not their own enormous publishing entity and independent company that could get by just fine without somebody's help like Bethesda or Activision

 

[Kagey K]

sry people but this acqusition means xbox studios themselves do not trust their own studiso to deliver high caliber high quality games.
if msoft doesnt trust their own studios, i have no reason to trust them. this includes phil.

they have now tons of studios. they dont need acti blizz to be competitive with sony.

this is too much. bethesda should've been enough for the extra juice.

Perfect logic.

Sony doesnt trust thier studios either since they keep buying more and timed exclusives.

Right?

 

[SportsFan581]

Only problem with xcloud is you cant play games you actually purchased, only games that are available on game pass.

And you cant even stream all games. You cant stream Metal Hellsinger for some odd reason.

It will be big for them if they can ever get it worked out where cloud can support a users purchases. That would be huge for the cloud space, MS has a huge store with good sale prices, etc.

 

[adamsapple]

Phil 'gangsta' Spencer going for EA and ubisoft next.

Though realistically we won't see another major acquisition on this scale in this decade at least.

Perfect logic.

Sony doesnt trust thier studios either since they keep buying more and timed exclusives.

Right?

I swear these logic loops get funnier with each new thread.

 

[SportsFan581]

The outrage that people had when MS were making their games all online only and single license, now people are all in on GamePass (which is effectively the same except games can be taken away), as soon as they get in a dominant position, I wouldn't be surprised if they remove game 'sales' completely or at least physical.

I would be flabbergasted if they ever even considered doing that. There is going to be a limit on the percentage of sell through on GP, just like there has been for Live/PS+ Essential. Blocking traditional sales would cost them a good amount of sales for no good reason. They will actively market the subscription and hope that you choose that, but not force you.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Wtf. Of course being interested is one thing willing to foot the bill is another.
What are you even on about?

Sony didn't "foot the bill". Epic paid them as well.
You're really trying hard to spin this like Sony had some active involvement with the game's development. It's simply not true. They gave them money for exclusivity, and then pushed the game as a console exclusive. That's it.

 

[jm89]

I don't see Jim Ryan on national TV saying he did the Team Ninja deal in order to reach as many gamers as possible

Secondly, Team Ninja is a tiny studio that lives and dies by publisher support

They are not their own enormous publishing entity and independent company that could get by just fine without somebody's help like Bethesda or Activision

It's called puffing your chest out when you did fuck all the entire year.

Everything you get needs to broadcasted, even if you begged for it.

 

[KingT731]

Preproduction is so early, I'm not sure if a trailer like that would even be a thing - or if we'd even know it existed. We knew nothing of Sunset Overdrive back when that was being shopped around.

That trailer to me looked past a preproduction stage. But I'm no expert.

I think you can tell as the design of Eve changed a lot from the outfit to her face etc also not thr lack of real animation it screams concept/early wipe.

Sony didn't "foot the bill". Epic paid them as well.
You're really trying hard to spin this like Sony had some active involvement with the game's development. It's simply not true. They gave them money for exclusivity, and then pushed the game as a console exclusive. That's it.

That is literally a marketing contract.

 

[Halo is Back]

I love all this virtue signaling, talking about values and what is right for gamers. This is a business, and the gaming industry has always been cutthroat. Welcome to the real world kids. Corporations don't give a fuck about you except for your money. Where was all that crap about being for the gamers when Xbox gamers for years have been getting a worse deal with COD because Playstation was in thier pockets? MS simply outbid Sony at thier own game. I'm not a fan of big corp buyouts and timed exclusives, but that's the way this industry is sometimes.

 

[Ozriel]

I don't see Jim Ryan on national TV saying he did the Team Ninja deal in order to reach as many gamers as possible

I don't recall Phil Spencer claiming he was planning to reach every gamer out there

Secondly, Team Ninja is a tiny studio that lives and dies by publisher support

They are not their own enormous publishing entity and independent company that could get by just fine without somebody's help like Bethesda or Activision

Does that go for Square Enix too?

 

[Topher]

These threads have gotten incredibly predictable.

 

[Warnen]

Same shit from same posters…. World keeps spinning.

 

[DeepEnigma]

More Phil talking in riddles and doublespeak

"our goal is to reach more gamers"

"Exclusives have always been part of our industry and strategy and will continue to be"

The total cognitive dissonance on display is mind boggling.

 

[Calling 911 Melts Beams]

haha their console isnt worth raising the price of lol

lmao

i dont even know which company this thread is about

 

[John Wick]

Team Ninja is a multiplatform studio. They've just announced a PlayStation exclusive game that's a new IP.

I shouldn't need to explain how it isn't uncommon for multiplatform studios to make exclusive games.

How do you know Sony haven't asked them to make an exclusive for them? Also nothing stopping MS from approaching Team Ninja to make one for them is there?
See the difference?
Who am I kidding............

 

[DarkMage619]

https://www.google.com/search?q=phi...d-xiaomi-rvo3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Instead of giving you one link, here are multiple on Google, even one that links back to neogaf lmao. Took me 5 seconds.

Exclusives Are 'Completely Counter To What Gaming Is About,' Xbox's Phil Spencer Says

There's literally quote after quote going back to 2016. The guys flip flops more than a flaccid penis.

The guy preaches this gamer bullshit yet in practice does the opposite. If this clown would stop lying i wouldn't have an issue as much with him using daddy's cheque book to buy everything.

DarkMage619 haha 'growing internal studios' do you have Phil's balls in your throat too? Nothing is being grown. They're buying up the industry. Your tag checks out.

Get the hate out of your heart. It's only video games. You like price increases? Cool. I don't. MS is supporting their customers just like Sony is. Why not go outside and get some air.

 

[John Wick]

TbH MS and Nintendo let Sony get away with a lot of bullshit, it's about time they start calling them out.

All it took was Sony acting like a victim.

Like which bullshit did they let them get away with?

 

[marjo]

Spencer SPECIFICALLY mentions in the video that his expectation for reaching more gamers is tied to Cloud and day and date launch on PC.

A massive chunk of gamers with other consoles or less capable PCs can play via Cloud. So there's no deception there.

This just feels like thinly veiled platform warring with the relentless dissection of the most innocuous statements. Makes as much sense as going "How can Sony go with a 'for the players' slogan when they don't put their games on the Switch. There are players there too!!"

There's nothing thinly veiled about it. Just a bunch of pathetic 'warriors' trying to spin things.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

Yay! Now let get the series x on shelves

been easy to get one for months now here.

 

[GHG]

Like which bullshit did they let them get away with?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Good to see no price increase when just about everything else in life has gone up.

And if there's any console maker that should be upping the price it should be MS since their profits in gaming is way lower than Nintendo and Sony who rake it in.

MS and Nintendo havent. But only one has.

 

[Tomeru]

Neither does Sony.

Why are we pretending they are struggling?

They have used every advantage they could to leverage themselves while the competition did literally nothing.

Now somebody stood up and they are meek and meager?

It was a sarastic comment to a sarcastic comment. No need to pretend this is serious business.

 

[SLB1904]

Sony didn't "foot the bill". Epic paid them as well.
You're really trying hard to spin this like Sony had some active involvement with the game's development. It's simply not true. They gave them money for exclusivity, and then pushed the game as a console exclusive. That's it.

Read boy


closed a deal with Sony for both funding and marketing support. Additionally, Ember Lab was allowed to learn about the PS5 a year prior to its official announcement and was given development kits for the console.

Also don't quote me anymore. Move on straw grasper

 

[Gamerguy84]

I don't think they will raise prices either, I think if anything they lower them.

There has been a constant promotion of GP for a dollar for the last 5 years nonstop. They keep sweetening that deal until they get where they want to be.

If that doesn't eventually work out I see them drastically cutting prices on hardware. Possibly even a cell phone like contract. Sub to our service for 5 years and the console is thrown in.

 

[Frank Horrigan]

90 difference ? What are you talking about ? Are you equating the disc-less edition with the disc based ones for both PS5 and SX which sold at the same MSRP ?

My dude you're talking about royal rumbles, your logic has gone to the Elimination Chamber here

on launch it was a 90 quid difference.

But, hands up, yeah the disc edition is now £30 more than the xsx(ps5 disc is £480 today's price). I was, incorrectly comparing the digital edition (£410 today's price) with the XSX (£450 today's price).

I'll admit I was wrong that count. I've no shame in admitting that.

Taking that into account it would be an opportune time for Microsoft to release a discless xsx. Sony are obviously pushing people to go digital with the price discrepancies, a discounted xsx with no disc would fit in with the gamepass strategy.

 

[Malak]

Good thing Sony thinks about gamers
and the impact that exclusivity can have on the community. S/

 

[SlimySnake]

More Phil talking in riddles and doublespeak

"our goal is to reach more gamers"

"Exclusives have always been part of our industry and strategy and will continue to be"

The total cognitive dissonance on display is mind boggling.

Absolutely hilarious.

 

[RoadHazard]

More Phil talking in riddles and doublespeak

"our goal is to reach more gamers"

"Exclusives have always been part of our industry and strategy and will continue to be"

The total cognitive dissonance on display is mind boggling.

What he means is that their goal is to reach more gamers' wallets.

 

[adamsapple]

Good thing Sony thinks about gamers
and the impact that exclusivity can have on the community. S/

If nothing, Ryan was honest enough in his last statement that he's looking out for the best interest of "Playstation gamers" only.

I don't think they will raise prices either, I think if anything they lower them.

Realistically I don't think they will, or even need to, change prices. Probably won't be any lowering till 2024 either IMO.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Hopefully they buy Sega after this.

 

[CeeJay]

No. Xsx was more expensive, even though Sony have a proprietary SSD and liquid metal cooling. The RnD alone on the SSD wouldn't have been free, yet the ps5 was, and still is, cheaper.

PS5 - $499 / £449
XSX - $499 / £449

 

[MikeM]

Regulators just perked their ears up. I'm not sure how much appetite there will be for more large MS/Xbox acquisitions.

 

[Bojanglez]

I would be flabbergasted if they ever even considered doing that. There is going to be a limit on the percentage of sell through on GP, just like there has been for Live/PS+ Essential. Blocking traditional sales would cost them a good amount of sales for no good reason. They will actively market the subscription and hope that you choose that, but not force you.

Yeah I agree, they've found another method to reach their goal. It will come when it is not financially viable to build SKUs based on physical media. I'm personally not too bothered by that, I'm all digital anyway. My bigger concern is that other 'tech giants' bully their way in like this and then all bets are off. At least MS have some history in gaming.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Sega seems obvious

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Makes sense to not raise price. Xsx are not selling out in Europe even with a lower price tag to ps5.

If anyone wants to see the impact of price increase for ps5 in places like Europe. Amazon uk had horizon bundle with the new price tag a few days ago and that shit sold out in a few hours.

Semantics.

Costco Canada had a PS5 Horizon FW bundle and it took 2 weeks to sell out (gamers posted about it on Aug 29 on a different site). I just checked and finally it shows a Page Cannot Be Found (which is what Costco does when a product is out of stock). It was still in stock less than a week ago when I checked.

Two weeks.