Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
What could go wrong
if this is true it shows the CMA has no clue. I mean they are asking to be bombarded by emails and what not
phil_t98
#SonyToo
effectively Sony has paid for one game, yes the team behind it to. Microsoft is paying for a shit ton of ip's and the teams behind them. the deals are conparable when you look at it that way
bluecowboys
Banned
It was Sega's fault for not capitalising on the Genesis momentum and using that to get the 3rd parties on their system
Sony's approach of supporting the shit ouf of third parties is why every japanese third party fawns over them, they entered the industry, shone their shoes and kissed their boots, the result is that nobody wants to work for anyone else. Not Sony's fault sega didn't realize the value of third parties
Timed exclusives my ass. Where is Final Fantasy 7 remake on Xbox? Even if it shows up tomorrow, it's been well over two years. Where is street fighter 5 for Xbox? You know, the biggest fighting game essentially. If MS has to aquire studios to make sure games end up on their platform then so be it. I also don't think games like death loop would've been on xbox right now if MS didn't acquire Bethesda games. Sony probably would've extended the deal or something.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
We already know how financially healthy they are so they don't need to ask.
Topher
Identifies as young
Change it to full exclusives and the same hypocrisy is there whether you like it or not.
More like ‘exclusive content on most expensive console’ and ‘exclusive content on cheapest console and service’.
The series S is the cheapest console, gamepass is the best value service.
Publishers being owned and games being exclusive to Xbox makes them a lot more available and affordable to everyone than them being on playstation.
And don’t forgot, Sony are the reason people don’t have Starfield and other xbox exclusives on Playstation, not Microsoft
MS shouldn’t be restricted from making more games more affordable to more people just because Sony don’t want to move on from the old distribution model.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Where is the evidence that the reason Final Fantasy 7 remake isn't on Xbox is because Sony forced Square Enix to leave it off of Xbox? I can also say that The Gunk being an Xbox Series S/X exclusive is due to Microsoft forcing the game's publisher into an agreement with them. That doesn't make it true. If Square Enix prefers Sony and Sony isn't strong-arming them into being PlayStation exclusive then there's no anti-competition or anti-consumer action here. It's the developer's/studio's/publisher's decision on what platform they release their content.
bluecowboys
Banned
Nope. If Sony didn't have all these timed exclusives and 3rd party deals MS probably wouldn't be investing hard into these acquisitions. Sony forced MS hands.
Topher
Identifies as young
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Ass of Can Whooping
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Over indie games?
Ark 2 and Warhammer 40,000: Darktide.
The first Ark game was not a small game. It's currently in the top 50 of most-played Xbox Games and 55k concurrent players on Steam.
Where's Rising Dead 3? Where's Titanfall?
It's ok for Microsoft to get a console exclusive deal with Capcom for Dead Rising 3, but it's not ok for Sony to help pay for the development of Street Fighter 5 and make it console exclusive?
You're saying MS gets "indie games." PUBG and Rise of the Tomb Raider were time exclusive and they're not indie games.
bluecowboys
Banned
Player count does not equal AAA game. You should know better. You think Minecraft is a AAA game too? AAA means big budget games. ARK 2 only had around 30 developers last I checked.
Only tomb raider was a timed AAA exclusive (which was 7 years ago) and we all remember the back lash MS got for it. Titan fall was about to be scrapped so the game wouldn't exist without Microsoft.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
What could go wrong
I’m going to be giving feedback. Cheers bud.
SSfox
Member
If MS want to become a 3rd party dev and release their games on Playstation, they're welcome, but they can keep their sub service for themselves. No thanks.
Also Sony has already its own sub service in case.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
they're acquiring activision and they still don't have anything for 2022. 2023 we've got Forza and Starfield but the rest is completely unconfirmed, for all we know those could be the ONLY 2 titles we're getting that year
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You don't see the hypocrisy in your post?
Rise of the Tomb Raider was released in November 2015
Street Fighter V was released a few months later.
See how you completely ignored PUBG?
Only 30 developers for Ark?
The studio size is between 51 - 200. They had over 60 devs 6 years ago and there's no doubt that the studio has grown.
You guys keep moving the goalpost whenever people mention time exclusive/console exclusive deals from Microsoft.
Hitchyhero
Banned
What could go wrong
What a terrible idea. Being as the PS fanbase is a hell of a lot bigger they are just inviting console warriors to vent.
MS bought the TR exclusive for a year... According to you, there were no complaints or protests against it?? .....
Complaints are for:
-The temporary exclusives bought by Sony are very numerous. Confirming the information of credible people who initially warned of this strategy of Sony this generation to harm Xbox and its users.
-Affect AAA licenses or Ips of great fame that have effects on console sales.
-For periods of time that can reach up to 3+ years. That is to say, when they come out on Xbox they have lost all their power of attraction to new users.
-Because they are made by Sony using and abusing its market leading position and brand power in key markets. Agreements that other agents in the console market, such as MS, cannot access.
The reality is that I don't see people criticizing or complaining about temporary exclusive deals. What I see is complaint for the reasons mentioned above. And he also complains about the hypocrisy of Sony that criticizes MS for the possibility of doing things that they are already doing.
Sony is within its right to use its strengths against the competition and stay un his market leader position, just as others are within their right to use theirs to access content an gain market share.
That there are people like you who have no complaints is simply because being a Playstation user you don't feel affected. As real as if instead of buying MS studios it spent the 100B in moneyhat as much or more than Sony, your reluctance and complaints again masive moneyhat temporal exclusives would surface anyway.
What could go wrong
It is increasingly clear to me that the CMA is simply using the acquisition of ACTV as a means of advertising itself and gaining relevance.....
Decisions like this only reveal what I have said and a total lack of knowledge about the matter, preparation to make decisions about it and incompetence.
If they were really prepared and convinced that they were prepared to make decisions, of course they would not need so much publicity or, of course, go to opinions on social networks to make those decisions
bluecowboys
Banned
Tomb raider came to PS last I check, now did Street fighter show up on Xbox? Nope. So my point still stands. Tomb Raider is the only example in the last 7 maybe even 10 years that Microsoft made a AAA game that was going to be multiplatform a timed exclusive.
PUBG is not a AAA game. I mean did you look at the graphics or the fact that it was thirty dollars at launch? Or how Microsoft had to help blue hole to get the game running on Xbox? Even then the game was in a broken state.
Only 84 connected employees when I looked at linkedin profile. It is probably even way smaller than that as there are probably duplicate employees and people who don't work there anymore. To put it in perspective, Square enix has over 5k employees. Studio wildcard isn't even a quarter the size of Square Enix.
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
I have asked you guys to back up this claim a half-dozen times, and every time you ignore me. Where is the evidence that supports your claim that Sony is strong-arming the industry to bend to its will? How do you know that developers, studios, and publishers that are going with PlayStation aren't doing so because they simply prefer or like Sony/PlayStation more than Microsoft/Xbox?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Yeah they do and they have EA sub on there to so what’s your point?
Has Sony sun got Microsoft games on it?
What’s your point?
LOL, that I ignored you? I answered you and you simply did not want to understand or do not want to accept
If you want something official, you have the letter from the CADE and the CMA where MS shows that this situation takes place and that they cannot reach the same agreements under equal conditions.
But it is not necessary, IT IS PURE LOGIC. If you are MS you have to compensate that 2x the number of users are left without a game to favor a user base 2x smaller or, depending on the specific market (Japan, Europe) 4x or 10x larger. Logically a Studio is going to ask for more or simply deny MS the possibility.
If you can't understand such a simple thing, it's your problem.
sainraja
Member
During the X360, Microsoft did the same. Sony invested internally and developed a strong first party.
It is easy to forget, but they both are business and dabble in similar strategies.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Just more goalpost moving.
How does your point still stand when you mention Deathloop?
You're still not figuring out that I'm naming console exclusive AND time exclusive deals? Dead Rising and Titanfall didn't come to PS. Your excuse was that they needed MS' help, but that didn't work for Street Fighter V when Capcom needed funding.
PUBG was making MILLIONS before it was released on Xbox. The game had a lot of developers, something it needs when you're making a live service game. You're desperately trying to move the goalpost by talking about the graphics. I can't even believe this. LOL
Only 84 connected? Doesn't mean anything. That doesn't mean that's the only developers working on the game. Square has 5K employees? LOL. Sony doesn't put 5K employees on 1 game.
You tried downplaying every exclusive deal from Microsoft and tried to pass them off as Indie games. No matter what you say, Games like PUBG, Ark II, Dead Rising, Titanfall, Rise of the Tomb Raider are not small indie games.
bluecowboys
Banned
What AAA 360 exclusives that were going to be multiplatform Microsoft kept off Playstation? I remember MS making DLC exclusive, but not the whole game.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
They do which is why it’s hypocritical of Sony to try and call out Microsoft over this deal that’s the point
SSfox
Member
EA sub service only include EA games, it doesn't include other 3rd party games. It's not comparable.
Sony has already their own sub service that include both 3rd party games and their own games, they have no reason to allow Gamepass, they will lose more than they win. Even Microsoft knows it, it's a long run trap MS was trying here.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
So if Sony allow gamepass on PlayStation you will get rid of you PlayStation lol
It’s laughable, just don’t subscribe and Microsoft has a huge amount of studios now so you will be missing out on some epic games.
bluecowboys
Banned
Death loop was a AAA game that Sony bought as a timed exclusive recently. It probably wouldn't even be on xbox right now unless MS bought Bethesda games.
Making money doesn't mean it is a high budget AAA game. Do you think candy crush cost billions to make? PUBG runs on shitty mobile phones for god sakes lol.
84 employees is small especially when at least a quarter of them aren't even making games. Also, the developers have to work on ARK 1 and ARK 2 since they are a GAAS. Meaning a small amount of people are working on ARK 2.
Dead rising was a dying franchise that needed help, street fighter was not. That is why the next street fighter game is coming to all platforms. Capcom didn't need Sony's money after all. Dead rising isn't getting a sequel anytime soon. If Sony did fund the next dead rising game, I would have no problem.
Titan Fall was going to be scrapped. Without MS help the game wouldn't even exist. Nobody should have issue with that because MS saved the game.
Tomb Raider is legitly the only AAA game that should've been multiplatform but wasn't because MS money hatted it. 1 example in a 10 year frame.
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SSfox
Member
Absolutely.
Have yet to see that, also i don't have to sub to gamepass, even if they will make some great games (and i'm sure/hope they will at some point), but not all their games are gonna be that good or will interest me, stuffs like Redfall or Halo i won't play that kind of stuffs even if i got paid to. I rather support stuffs that i like rather than support every random lame stuff that i idgaf about that releases.
kirby007
Member
i wouldn't want game pass on my samsung galaxy either, it devaluates my google play account
PaintTinJr
Member
What could go wrong
Is this the CMA strongarming Microsoft to drop the deal, I wonder?
Trillion-dollar company with massive legal team quoting people like Tom Warren facing PR disaster as consumers give their opinion to the CMA to support CMA's industry questionnaire feedback, and the CMA would be free to collate as stats and cite in any ensuing CAT legal battle, meaning Microsoft trying to fight the decision could seriously damage the Azure, Game pass and Xbox brand all at one time.
Of the remedies Microsoft could offer? Short of open-sourcing DirectX and agreeing to charge Gamepass equal for cloud services or buy services in from amazon/google, instead, I'm not sure there is a solution for the cloud issues.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
What evidence specifically? Don't just give me gigantic documents and expect me to make your argument for you. Take a screenshot of your evidence.
So your argument is that any time one business is doing better than another business it is "pure logic" that the successful business is engaging in unfair business practices. It couldn't possibly be that the underperforming business is mismanaging their business and/or relationships.
Get your head checked, man. You can't base your entire argument around, "It's pure logic that everyone inherently understands." Either back up your claims or admit that you're pulling shit out of your ass.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
According to you, this is an "indie game"
Live service games require consistent development.
The site says Bend Studio has 108 employees, but during an interview, they were over 130. GaaS requires development and it doesn't stop after the game released.
Capcom was close to going bankrupt and needed funding for Street Fighter.
Dead Rising 4 followed and it was a 1 year exclusive Xbox game.
Street Fighter wouldn't release without funding.
There's nothing else that needs to be said. You're making excuses and going to downplay every exclusive deal from Microsoft.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Hahaha never change NeoGAF.
DeepEnigma
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What could go wrong
dickpic.jpg .... *send*
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
"Dear CMA,
Please see attached my thoughts on the subject. My PDF reader was not working so I had to convert it into a .PNG file".
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Nothing happens. is just part of the show.
TheGodfather07
Member
MS bought the TR exclusive for a year... According to you, there were no complaints or protests against it?? .....
Complaints are for:
-The temporary exclusives bought by Sony are very numerous. Confirming the information of credible people who initially warned of this strategy of Sony this generation to harm Xbox and its users.
-Affect AAA licenses or Ips of great fame that have effects on console sales.
-For periods of time that can reach up to 3+ years. That is to say, when they come out on Xbox they have lost all their power of attraction to new users.
-Because they are made by Sony using and abusing its market leading position and brand power in key markets. Agreements that other agents in the console market, such as MS, cannot access.
The reality is that I don't see people criticizing or complaining about temporary exclusive deals. What I see is complaint for the reasons mentioned above. And he also complains about the hypocrisy of Sony that criticizes MS for the possibility of doing things that they are already doing.
Sony is within its right to use its strengths against the competition and stay un his market leader position, just as others are within their right to use theirs to access content an gain market share.
That there are people like you who have no complaints is simply because being a Playstation user you don't feel affected. As real as if instead of buying MS studios it spent the 100B in moneyhat as much or more than Sony, your reluctance and complaints again masive moneyhat temporal exclusives would surface anyway.
It is increasingly clear to me that the CMA is simply using the acquisition of ACTV as a means of advertising itself and gaining relevance.....
Decisions like this only reveal what I have said and a total lack of knowledge about the matter, preparation to make decisions about it and incompetence.
If they were really prepared and convinced that they were prepared to make decisions, of course they would not need so much publicity or, of course, go to opinions on social networks to make those decisions
Funnily it was square enix that people were annoyed with. Not Microsoft. Why blame Microsoft or Sony, when it's the publisher who has the final say if they want to make a temporary exclusive deal?
Also why do we keep discussing this anyway? This is about publisher acquisitions. Why do we keep going off topic completely onto timed exclusives?
DeepEnigma
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Forsythia
Member
What could go wrong
Green Rats, assemble!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Phase 1 they outline what they see the potential problems might be.
Phase 2 they investigate on it by doing more in-depth research and contacting other parties, publishers etc.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
twilo99
Member
What could go wrong
The value for Xbox users and gamepass subscribers is enormous. So for that particular group of consumers this is a great deal.
The reasons against it are very abstract.
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