Phil Spencer hints at future Xbox Game Pass or console price increases at WSJ Live
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HeisenbergFX4
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Iced Arcade
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literally never seen even the most obvious die hard(s) claim there would be no price increase lol
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0neAnd0nly
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Really?
Costco Hot Dog.
Gas is cheaper today than it was 6 months ago.
Chili's got rid of 2 for 25 and now has 3 course meal for $12 (starting). Which equates to $24 for 2. Virtually the same thing, but a dollar less,
Computers this Black Friday hitting under $100 more than ever before (courtesy of slick deals).
XXL
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They'll push it as far they can. I imagine it will be in small increments, not large increases.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
hes not going to raise the price of the console, but the price of gamepass.
1. The cheaper xbox console helps attract consumers since Sony raised theirs not long ago.
2. Gamepass userbase is happy with the current subscription fees (best deal in gaming for them), so raising the price of gamepass is the smarter way as it will not get as much complain compared to raising price of a console.
1. The cheaper xbox console helps attract consumers since Sony raised theirs not long ago.
2. Gamepass userbase is happy with the current subscription fees (best deal in gaming for them), so raising the price of gamepass is the smarter way as it will not get as much complain compared to raising price of a console.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
If you are saying he is lying about raising the price I applaud your consistency.
Also as an aside Phil never said Xbox pricing would never change only that is remaining the same for now. I don't like price increases but at this point I haven't see one from Xbox at least.
bentanchorbolt
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Costco knowingly sells the hot dog & soda at a loss because it brings in customers that will likely spend more money. Black Friday deals are not a good marker since most models to Black Friday are specific to the event, are cheap because they cut costs in areas you won't notice on the spec sheet, but are generally a poorer value than if you bought a normal model @ a normal price.
GHG
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Where was anything regarding currencies mentioned by him?
StreetsofBeige
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Find the old thread about Sony increasing the price of PS5. Every region got nailed around 5-10% but interestingly the US price is status quo. You got every answer from inflation to currency effects to "it's a business decision" kinds of responses from defenders. Many if the usual brand fans even avoided the thread because they know deep down it's a slap in the back of the head but they dont want to say that because it looks like they are going against their brand on a forum (which would be a sign of weakness).
They already know the answers.
If MS raises prices down the road, all they got to do is sub in MS for Sony for the exact same answers they did months ago.
0neAnd0nly
Member
You dodged Chili's conveniently.
An American treasure.
And I didn't ask for reasons. You said "everything".
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spons
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I ditched Netflix when they raised the prices of their subs and just went to different services. Gaming doesn't have that luxury. Game Pass is the only service in its class. They can raise the prices by 5 to 8 bucks and people would still sub, as would I. Doubling that shit would sound excessive though.
SportsFan581
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I haven't seen the context of the quote, it's said in a way where it sounds like it is a response to a question in an interview or something like that. People have been asking them about Xbox price increases since Sony announced theirs, MS has been giving these same kind of open-ended answers in several interviews. Not now, but can never say never, or they are always evaluating and so on.
GHG
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So you're guessing making assumptions in an attempt to make a point?
Hate to see it but par for the course these days. Wish I could say I was surprised.
Come back to me when you can make factual arguments.
SportsFan581
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That's probably the single dumbest thing I've seen typed on here, and that's saying something.
Please provide a source with the full context of the quote including the leading question by the interviewer and we can judge from that. Otherwise, everyone discussing this is just making assumptions, LOL.
Based on the audio posted by Warren, I have this strange idea that he got asked point blank about a price increase (games, GP, consoles) in the context of current consumer uncertainty and this was the vague non-answer he went with. I highly doubt this was something he just put out there to make a statement of some kind. IMO this was him attempting to not make a statement. We are still allowed to have opinions on here right?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yep.
Or. Heck. If you want to increase, retain ad-supported versions of current models. I don't mind a couple of ads on my dashboard if it means the price remains consistent.
SLB1904
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Nah bro you work for Microsoft. There is mo fucking wayYep.
Or. Heck. If you want to increase, retain ad-supported versions of current models. I don't mind a couple of ads on my dashboard if it means the price remains consistent.
GHG
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Again you are talking about "ideas". You are guessing.
You are the one making assumptions here, not me, therefore the onus is on you to provide a source.
There is a big difference between having an opinion and straight up making things up in vapid attempts to make a point. To remind you, this is what you said:
There is no reference to him talking about currency rates, no reference to him talking about "absorbing" anything.
You are making an assumption that when they increase the price their reasoning will be the same as Sony's.
Hint: currency fluctuations aren't the only reason companies choose to raise prices.
Come back to me when you have the capacity to discuss this on a factual basis.
SportsFan581
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Again, I'm just listening to the audio where the quote came from where I don't have the leading question or the exact context that triggered this response. So I gave my opinion on "all I see" the quote representing. He directly mentions consumer uncertainty in regards to something the interviewer said (thus leading me to think that the interviewer mentioned price increases in some way, either games going to $70 or Sony's console increase, or inflation) along with the fact this is the WSJ, so that is what I base my opinion of the statement on. When people use expressions like "what I see", "all I see", "what I'm hearing", etc. that is clearly someone making a personal judgement. You might want to take that into consideration before making an ass of yourself in the future.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
0neAnd0nly
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I'm not sure you do.I wish
I hear you have to suckle Bill Gates baby toes if you make it to the second interview and refer to him as "big daddy pharma-Gates" for the length of your contract.
Not confirmed, because NDA, but yeah that's what I have heard.
GHG
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Just a tip, none of those expressions give someone leeway to make things up. All of those statements imply something was in fact seen or heard, so there would be some basis for your statements that follow (something to refer back to). By your own admission you have neither heard or seen anything.
If you are being completely speculative (which is was you are) then you should clearly state so.
So you think he is lying about future price increases?
Not sure where this 'lying Phil' strawman is going but I just wanted to hear your take about these possible price increases seeing as it's your worst fear and you haven't been able to shut up about it in unrelated threads ever since somebody else did it:
Would have thought you would be pretty upset hearing this news from Spencer but apparently he's just an honest dude who's lying about future price increases.
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bentanchorbolt
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I didn't want to admit to having never eaten at Chili's before.You dodged Chili's conveniently.
An American treasure.
And I didn't ask for reasons. You said "everything".
Klayzer
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So you think he is lying about future price increases?
Not sure where this 'lying Phil' strawman is going but I just wanted to hear your take about these possible price increases seeing as it's your worst fear and you haven't been able to shut up about it in unrelated threads ever since somebody else did it:
Would have thought you would be pretty upset hearing this news from Spencer but apparently he's just an honest dude who's lying about future price increases.
GHG
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So you think he is lying about future price increases?
Not sure where this 'lying Phil' strawman is going but I just wanted to hear your take about these possible price increases seeing as it's your worst fear and you haven't been able to shut up about it in unrelated threads ever since somebody else did it:
Would have thought you would be pretty upset hearing this news from Spencer but apparently he's just an honest dude who's lying about future price increases.
Fuck me those quotes.
Rhazer Fusion
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So much for "good guy" Microsoft. I had a strong feeling that we would see a price increase on their end as well. These companies aren't your friends. Well, if this is legitimate, here you go. Is Nintendo next?
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DeaDPo0L84
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nah. I don't think any game already with a defined window will have the $70 tag.
Iced Arcade
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increases are inevitable... it's how much. everyone can outprice themselves out of consumers and lots do it.
Jaybe
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Possibly. I could see it though as they don't have pre-orders up yet and the stank of Sony and 2K doing it will have subsided by early 2023. Plus in a sense it can add even more perceived value to Game Pass when these $70 games are available day 1.
poppabk
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There are no facts to discuss?
-We don't know if there are plans to raise prices.
-We don't know what they would raise prices on if there were plans.
-We don't know how much they would raise prices.
-We don't know where they would raise prices.
-We don't know when they would raise prices.
What the fuck can we factually discuss?
Topher
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Hopefully it will be $1 or $2 incrementally and not $5. Makes a big difference.
GHG
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I'm referring to what question Phil was asked to determine what his response was in reference to. The posted I quoted stated it was in reference to him being asked about currencies, that is factually not true, we have nothing to determine whether or not that was the case.
The whole basis of my discussions with that poster are centered around that. Not sure why you're feeling the need to get involved mid-conversion and raise those questions when they haven't mentioned or relevant to the thread of conversation you've waded in on.
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
So you think he is lying about future price increases?
Not sure where this 'lying Phil' strawman is going but I just wanted to hear your take about these possible price increases seeing as it's your worst fear and you haven't been able to shut up about it in unrelated threads ever since somebody else did it:
Would have thought you would be pretty upset hearing this news from Spencer but apparently he's just an honest dude who's lying about future price increases.
I see you quoted a lot of good points
DarkMage619
brought up, but I didn't see the quote where he accuses Spencer of lying. Maybe I missed it.
Torrent of Pork
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And if you can find me making a dumb argument like then you're free to quote it. I've certainly criticized their paid next-gen patches, but I've never once called them 'anti-consumer' over it.
If anybody ever thought GPU would stay $15 in perpetuity then I don't know what to tell them. Just like Sony, MS is a corporation seeking to maximize profits.
GHG
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I see you quoted a lot of good points
The quoted posts are not in reference to that, they are a separate point.
As for "good points"...
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NickFire
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I've long expected GP to go up in price once the content starts flowing. It was obvious because content acquisition and content development costs are insane for big games nowadays. And there's still marketing costs, plus the money coming in is paying for access to older games on the service (not just most recent aaa game). The way big profits are still front loaded on games makes price increases virtually mandatory at a company this size. They exist for shareholders after all.
Real questions are how much, how fast, and how implemented? I would look towards internet cable price increase histories if I was trying to make an educated guess on speed and amount. Both industries pay big money for content, and development / marketing costs are high too. Both make leaving a potential nuisance after they get you in (cable requires hardware reinstalls, and leaving game sub means you have lost your library). Biggest differences (I think) are TV has a broader potential audience (content acquisition possibly more expensive title to title), and big games probably take longer to make for a motivated creator.
How implemented is a real wild card. They will honor purchased subs. But will they follow the companies that have added tiers to their subs, like Peacock, or even Sony PS+ ? They could make some easy short term money with tiers starting in 2023.
Real questions are how much, how fast, and how implemented? I would look towards internet cable price increase histories if I was trying to make an educated guess on speed and amount. Both industries pay big money for content, and development / marketing costs are high too. Both make leaving a potential nuisance after they get you in (cable requires hardware reinstalls, and leaving game sub means you have lost your library). Biggest differences (I think) are TV has a broader potential audience (content acquisition possibly more expensive title to title), and big games probably take longer to make for a motivated creator.
How implemented is a real wild card. They will honor purchased subs. But will they follow the companies that have added tiers to their subs, like Peacock, or even Sony PS+ ? They could make some easy short term money with tiers starting in 2023.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
The quoted posts are not in reference to that, they are a separate point.
As for "good points"...
Whether you or Yoda think his points are good or not is irrelevant. T Three makes 2 references suggesting
DarkMage619
is thinks Phil Spencer is lying, then lists a ton of quotes from him but nothing indicating
DarkMage619
believes Spencer is lying. It seems like maybe that post was disingenuous and arguing in bad faith.
GHG
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Whether you or Yoda think his points are good or not is irrelevant. T Three makes 2 references suggesting
For goodness sake, read.
Separate point:
Sarcasm:
It's really not that complicated.
bender
What time is it?
Demographics of subscribers would be interesting. I've always said that GPU would have been a godsend when I was a kid but I wouldn't be surprised if the average teenager was far more invested in F2P. I still don't think they'd go over $19.99 a month any time soon and if it does increase in price, I don't expect that big of an increase as the first jump. Your last point is interesting and they could do something like keeping the price the same while detaching the included EA Play subscription and offering it as a discounted addon.
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SportsFan581
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Possibly there are some cultural differences between us. In the states, it isn't uncommon for people to use phrases like "what I see" or "from what I see" or "how I see it" to express personal opinions or beliefs based on a situation or something seen or heard. I read the quote and listened to the audio and then stated my opinion of what I was seeing in that quote. You are free to see something different in it. To me him mentioning that they had held their console pricing was a reference to Sony's increase (why would you even be mentioning that otherwise, it's not something that regularly happens).
"All I see" in particular is generally used to begin expressing a contrary opinion to that held by someone you are having a conversation with about something seen, heard or read. Person A says "look at that hoodlum on the street, he's up to no good", person B says "all I see is someone standing on the street".
At any rate, I shouldn't have responded in an incendiary way with the line about the dumbest comment. That was a dumb comment by me there, we clearly just see things differently here.
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SteelCurtain 59
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I mean the Game Pass catalog is going to start including every COD and Activision/Blizzard game Day 1 as well as their massive back catalog. It was pretty obvious with such a monumental value add to Game Pass that there would be a price increase at some point
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I think some people believe Phil is lying if it is positive Xbox news and telling the truth if it is potentially negative. I have no idea what other nonsense you are talking about.So you think he is lying about future price increases?
Not sure where this 'lying Phil' strawman is going but I just wanted to hear your take about these possible price increases seeing as it's your worst fear and you haven't been able to shut up about it in unrelated threads ever since somebody else did it:
On one hand we have a fear of a possible, maybe, vague potential of a price increase on possibly a service or console or accessory. On the other hand we have actual real price increases on consoles and games. I'm sure I know which one you are far more concerned about but I tend to focus on reality over possibilities. Talk when the Xbox price increases are real and not imaginary.
People try so hard for a gotcha and it just ends up being a self own. It is what it is.Whether you or Yoda think his points are good or not is irrelevant. T Three makes 2 references suggesting
So why is he bringing it up? He is essentially saying "why are you believing him now" in his post. A wierd thing to say because why would he lie about price hikes, not to mention it's a complete strawman because I've not said anything about not believing him about profitability.Whether you or Yoda think his points are good or not is irrelevant. T Three makes 2 references suggesting