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[Chukhopops]

"Some" isn't consistent with any kind of clarity. So yes. Press X for doubt.

But « some » is the only correct word since there were both exclusive and non-exclusive games since Bethesda was bought.

They also kept their word of not splitting the communities by keeping ESO / FO76 up to date and bringing the expansions on PlayStation.

As always, no lie - just people trying too hard to find them.

 

[NikuNashi]

Why buy it then? Continue to enjoy it on all platforms and be happy.

 

[hemo memo]

Sony and Nintendo absolutely would lock the exclusivity if they were in that position.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Phil Spencer's an it now?

These pronouns are out of control these days

 

[Knightime_X]

Being exclusive doesn't bring in as much money as having your competitors sign a contract and collecting money from them as well.
This is why MS can make big boy purchases while the rest look in awe.

 

[ironmang]

As clear as "we have no intent to…" and then "we'll guarantee three years…" and finally "ok, we'll give it to you for 10 years, please sign so we can rush this deal through…"…?

Are you criticizing his clarity by using made up quotes?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Are you criticizing his clarity by using made up quotes?

The facts aren't made up, that's exactly what has transpired

 

[alphachino]

Being exclusive doesn't bring in as much money as having your competitors sign a contract and collecting money from them as well.
This is why MS can make big boy purchases while the rest look in awe.

It doesn't bring in as much money directly, but indirectly, if your competitor is dead, then you'd have ALL the money.

Extend, embrace, exterminate.

 

[[Sigma]]

 

[drganon]

 

[ironmang]

The facts aren't made up, that's exactly what has transpired

His clarity is fine. He's talking about COD like they did with Minecraft a decade ago. The rest of it is necessary negotiations since Sony keep dragging their feet over it.

I mean he literally said call of duty by name and that it won't be exclusive, what more do you need lol.

 

[Robb]

I'm sure things would sound different had regulators not complained about it.

 

[RCU005]

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-...wasnt-to-keep-games-away-from-other-platforms

"This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that," Spencer said. "Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: 'How do we keep other players from playing these games?' We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games."

He said this about the Bethesda acquisition. He is just a hypocritical liar.

(How do yo make a link preview appear as in the OP?)

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-...wasnt-to-keep-games-away-from-other-platforms

 

[anthony2690]

I think it is pretty obvious at this point that call of duty will be treated like Minecraft.

Also do we need another thread about this?

I feel like this has been said for a good year or so now.

If I was Microsoft, I would just sign a deal saying that all existing ips on other platforms will continue to come to other platforms.

& Brand new IPS will stay exclusive to Xbox. (Ie: blizzard survival game, infinity ward rpg)

I can't imagine people would be upset over this.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

They already have more studios then Nintendo and Sony having abk will give them a Hugh advantage of exclusive first party titles. Please sir Phill my c***

 

[3liteDragon]

Yea sure buddy, just like ES6 & Starfield, lol.

 

[demigod]

Where did anybody say it didn't exist? All I see is them saying they haven't pulled anything away from the Playstation Community, which they haven't, because the Playstation Community never had Starfield to be taken away

Are you going to tell us the Playstation Community never had Elder Scrolls too when VI won't come out on it? Doom, Wolfenstein etc as well?

 

[nowhat]

(How do yo make a link preview appear as in the OP?)

It's a feature of the forum software and it is automatic, but requires that the site/page of the link contains the required metadata for that to happen. So it's beyond your control.

 

[j.k.2021]

Why buy it then? Continue to enjoy it on all platforms and be happy.

Game pass.

 

[j.k.2021]

Same thing what Phil Spencer said in January 2022.

Xbox Exec Confirms Call of Duty Will Remain Multiplatform Following Activision Deal

An Xbox executive promises to honor all existing agreements by keeping Activision Blizzard's Call of Duty series on PlayStation platforms.

www.cbr.com

 

[cireza]

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-...wasnt-to-keep-games-away-from-other-platforms



He said this about the Bethesda acquisition. He is just a hypocritical liar.

(How do yo make a link preview appear as in the OP?)

I read the article you linked and what is actually written is that Spencer doesn't need to release these games on PS/Nintendo to make the deal profitable. However he does not confirm in any way that this is what he will do.

This discussion is ridiculous though. If it was Sony or Nintendo, everybody would expect for games to be locked on PS/Nintendo consoles.

 

[pasterpl]

Did people commenting here bother to read the OP or just read the title? He specifically says about versions of games/content, if the games releases on multiple platforms there will not be exclusive quests, maps, mode etc that is Xbox only. Multi platform games will offer parity in this context. So if the game is multi platform it will be same across all platforms, if the the game is exclusive it will be the whole game not only specific in game content that is exclusive.

 

[Robb]

Game pass.

They'll also be able to remove Sony completely from the marketing of the games. That'll probably sting quite a bit for them considering they usually do quite extensive marketing deals related to CoD.

 

[RCU005]

If it was Sony or Nintendo, everybody would expect for games to be locked on PS/Nintendo consoles.

Of course. Everybody expected that, but Phil Spencer talked about it as if they weren't going to do that. That's the issue. He initially lied.

In the article I linked he does say that Xbox doesn't need to release the games on PS to be profitable (or make a ROI from the deal), but in the quote, he clearly states that his intention is not to block those games from other consoles (which he clearly did).

 

[Cheezewizz]

Are you going to tell us the Playstation Community never had Elder Scrolls too when VI won't come out on it? Doom, Wolfenstein etc as well?

Has Elder Scrolls VI been announced for Playstation? Has the next Doom or Wolfenstein?

 

[Astray]

I personally don't mind Starfield being exclusive, Phil paid 8 billion he has to justify it in some way.

What I mind is him acting like a nice guy and asking everybody to love him over it, fuck that, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Jim Ryan other Clone]

This threads about all this Fiasko is too tiring and they take away the forum focus. The most tiring thing is the fucked boys from both sides that they have selective memory and they FUCKING ask the same question over again with every thread like they forgot the answers they got in the previous.

My god send me the link to the finance office of Sony or Microsoft to get myself enrolled also at the money you make for the advertisement or you are so miserable that you are doing all this PR marketing for free?

 

[demigod]

Has Elder Scrolls VI been announced for Playstation? Has the next Doom or Wolfenstein?

Kid, I don't think you know what the word "community" is.

 

[ByWatterson]

LOL, he's a fun interview, but as always, he's completely full of shit.

His response regarding Starfield not being taken away from Playstation could easily apply to unannounced COD titles, too, had regulators not forced their hand. These ten year agreements are band-aids.

They eventually want COD to be exclusive. I'll die on that hill.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Hard to know when the exclusivity game matters

Apparently it didn't matter initially with Bethesda when he said he had no intent on fracturing any communities for their games…

Until it did

What Bethesda multiplatform games did MS fracture the communities on?

 

[Germuso]

I trust this Guy.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Hi guys,

I feel like we haven't really got to the bottom of if Starfield was stolen from Playstation by Microsoft. Can we please dedicate the next 5 pages to "Yeah uh, Nuh uh" arguments and potentially reach a general consensus at the end.

Warm regards,
Clintzil1a

Definitely need more of this.

We need more petty arguments about how games that were never announced for playstation or xbox were stolen from said platform!

 

[Cheezewizz]

So will Elder Scrolls 6 be on playstation? Hellblade 2?

Were either of those games ever announced or promised to release on PS?

I'm almost certain we'd be having a different conversation if they were never pressed by the FTC/CMA/EU regulators.

Maybe, but let's look at the conversation you're having first.

There was a lot of talk before about simply honoring sonys contracts, then it became 3 year deal after the contract,

You have a source for all this talk of simply honoring sonys contracts? As far as I know, the first we heard was that MS offered Sony 3 additional years beyond their contract.

then it became a 10 year deal,

Yep.

now its a 10 year deal with full parity no additional dlc and whatever.

This was almost certainly in the 10 year offer you just mentioned. You're trying to differentiate things in order to make it seem as though MS has gradually been pulled by the ear through this. They offered a 3 year deal and a 10 year deal. That's it.

They aren't making these promises out of the goodness of their hearts. They full intended on flipping the script on sony with the timed exclusive content and gamepass offerings with COD.

You have no idea of what they intend to do.

They met their match with regulators so now they're playing the "everybody gaming wins" angle but still refuse to acknowledge they're not doing it with Bethesda.

Met their match? Well despite what you might believe, this isn't the WWE or anything. It's just the regulatory process doing what it does. Companies looking for approval try and put themselves in the best light possible in the hope of getting approved. MS is no different here.

 

[Damigos]

You cant money hat every problem you have. Xbox brand should build studios and invest on making good games and release them on time. And yes, i am talking about Halo..
Spending tens of billions, especially by not making exclusives for your console, will create other problems.

 

[Cheezewizz]

Of course. Everybody expected that, but Phil Spencer talked about it as if they weren't going to do that. That's the issue. He initially lied.

Show me the quote where he lied.

In the article I linked he does say that Xbox doesn't need to release the games on PS to be profitable (or make a ROI from the deal), but in the quote, he clearly states that his intention is not to block those games from other consoles (which he clearly did).

He said "the deal wasn't done to take games away from another playerbase like that." Of course he also stated that they wanted to release those games wherever Gamepass was available, as well as specifically saying that they would not have to er release those games on PS in order for the deal to be profitable. In the headline of that article, it points to yet another quote where he said that it would be on a case by case basis.

Yet here you are crying that "he lied".

 

[Neofire]

So will Elder Scrolls 6 be on playstation? Hellblade 2?

I'm almost certain we'd be having a different conversation if they were never pressed by the FTC/CMA/EU regulators. There was a lot of talk before about simply honoring sonys contracts, then it became 3 year deal after the contract, then it became a 10 year deal, now its a 10 year deal with full parity no additional dlc and whatever. They aren't making these promises out of the goodness of their hearts. They full intended on flipping the script on sony with the timed exclusive content and gamepass offerings with COD.

They met their match with regulators so now they're playing the "everybody gaming wins" angle but still refuse to acknowledge they're not doing it with Bethesda.

And sadly, til this day, people seem to ignore what MS did after the Bethesda buyout with those IPs.

 

[Cyborg]

MS will say anything to pass this deal ...

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[kuncol02]

Technically speaking, Starfield WAS on a PS5...devkit

AFAIR Todd is on record that there was no console version of Starfield before acquisition. He said that in Lex Friedman interview. It's two hours long, so I will not look for specific statement in it.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Ohh that interview brought tears to my eyes.
So pure, so generous, such a gentle soul!
All he wants is a smile on the face of every child and a sparkle of joy in the eyes of every human.

 

[I'm nobody]

Phil talks more patter than my kids

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[SJRB]

Please stop interviewing this guy.

I love the underlying "we're the good guys with the best intentions but we're being bullied by Sony" tone he's taking the last months. Such a brave man, standing up to evil Sony like that. Poor Microsoft, always the underdog. All they want is to buy huge studios, what's the problem?

 

[Ar¢tos]

Were either of those games ever announced or promised to release on PS?

Are seriously suggesting that Bethesda was developing these (very expensive) games prior to the acquisition WITHOUT ANY INTENTION of releasing them on the console with the biggest install base?

Do you really think anyone will believe that?

 

[Cheezewizz]

 

[Physiognomonics]

So will Elder Scrolls 6 be on playstation? Hellblade 2?

I'm almost certain we'd be having a different conversation if they were never pressed by the FTC/CMA/EU regulators. There was a lot of talk before about simply honoring sonys contracts, then it became 3 year deal after the contract, then it became a 10 year deal, now its a 10 year deal with full parity no additional dlc and whatever. They aren't making these promises out of the goodness of their hearts. They full intended on flipping the script on sony with the timed exclusive content and gamepass offerings with COD.

They met their match with regulators so now they're playing the "everybody gaming wins" angle but still refuse to acknowledge they're not doing it with Bethesda.

Yes. eventually. But they can't say that now the way Sony are saying all the details of exclusivity.

 

[Alan Wake]

They already have more studios then Nintendo and Sony having abk will give them a Hugh advantage of exclusive first party titles. Please sir Phill my c***

That Hugh advantage.

 

[cireza]

Of course. Everybody expected that, but Phil Spencer talked about it as if they weren't going to do that. That's the issue. He initially lied.

In the article I linked he does say that Xbox doesn't need to release the games on PS to be profitable (or make a ROI from the deal), but in the quote, he clearly states that his intention is not to block those games from other consoles (which he clearly did).

You put the quote out of context.

Simply put the entirety of what he said, stop interpreting things, and eventually you will understand the various cases are possible according to him.

"This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that,"

"Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: 'How do we keep other players from playing these games?' We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games."

"I don't have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us. Whatever that means."

First and second part : the deal was not made to take away games. Meaning : it was not the purpose of the deal, certainly doesn't mean that it can't happen still... Obviously, they made the deal to make more money (that's what companies do... not to prevent people to play games). You can reach more people by not releasing on PS/Nintendo and releasing on smartphones through cloud, for example...

Third part is a simple fact : he doesn't have to ship these games on PS/Nintendo to turn a profit. Again, it doesn't mean that he won't do it.

Anyone finding confirmation that "he lied" or "he won't release games on PS/Nintendo" with these citations is making up stuff. There is not a single thing confirmed. If anything, he stated what the situation was. Any decisions he takes will be based on this.

 

[The_Mike]

Call of Duty still being a thing worth caring about is shocking to me.

If you only spend time on Gaf, then I understand. Gaf hates multiplayer games.

But if you spend a little time outside, then you'll see how many plays the games and it's one of the most profitable franchises for Sony since it sells so well each year.

 

[Cheezewizz]

Are seriously suggesting that Bethesda was developing these (very expensive) games prior to the acquisition WITHOUT ANY INTENTION of releasing them on the console with the biggest install base?

Do you really think anyone will believe that?

No, I merely stated that they were never announced for, or promised to be on PS.

You can type it however big you want, and make it any color you like. It won't change the fact that those games weren't promised to be or announced to be available on Playstation.