IFireflyl
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This is how regulatory bodies work. They aren't regulating the world. They are regulating their country. I am surprised that you're not getting this.
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This is how regulatory bodies work. They aren't regulating the world. They are regulating their country. I am surprised that you're not getting this.
feynoob
Banned
People can't control themselves.
It's just a forum. Why do they behave like that?
Pelta88
Member
He needs the alt of the alt permed too.
feynoob
Banned
I get that. That is why I said MS tactics.
They are only looking at their country with their math.
Dick Jones
Banned
When the staff know its an alt account, we need the name of the other account in the ban list... so we can laugh at the poster too
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I would argue that Microsoft's (and Sony's) tactics are to be as shady with their math as possible. Those companies want to paint themselves in the best possible light. Shady math can help with that as long as they don't get caught and called out by the regulators. By contrast, the CMA isn't trying to be shady. They're trying to show how this acquisition impacts their country, and their country alone. They need to do this so they know whether to approve or deny the acquisition for their country. It's not a "tactic". It's their job.
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DrFigs
Member
Yeah I don't believe them that the way to get these specific games on their platform is to buy Activision/King. I think there are probably other ways to get these games on their new store.
GHG
Gold Member
When the staff know its an alt account, we need the name of the other account in the ban list... so we can laugh at the poster too
The other account is probably one of the few people that were approving of his clown takes.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
wait wat?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Cheezwizz would still have an "alt" account that he thought he was switching to.
He would be in this thread and reading our messages like:
Ezekiel_
Banned
Honestly don't know how it'll go. I can't even make an educated guess with all the shit thats been peddled in the past year +.
Also, the 'No' choice seems to imply an outright block by the regulators. If MS pulls out because they don't want to divest CoD, does that still count?
I'm not versed into all the lawerings and anti-trust laws, but I do know that I don't want to live in a world where there's immense consolidation of markets from very few mega corporations.
Current big tech is already too big, and they spread in markets like cancer, so anything curtailing them I view as good for consumers everywhere.
Whatever the regulators decide I'll be fine with.
We can only hope they are qualified, well informed and make due diligence.
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Ezekiel_
Banned
Tom Warren weakening the ABK case for Microsoft lol
Apple migh join the regulatory opposition camp against the ABK deal.
By MS putting it on a store on the exact same device?
Good luck arguing that constitutes an SLC
drganon
Member
The real question is why was he allowed back in this thread to begin with.When the staff know its an alt account, we need the name of the other account in the ban list... so we can laugh at the poster too
Pelta88
Member
Truthfully
I want the leadership of ABK to change. The shit that came out about their workplace culture points to a company operating in the 50/60s not 2022/23. I've been interested in the look behind the curtain since the Apple VS Epic case and how invested Microsoft was with a specific outcome. An outcome that went against them.
That was the confirmation that Microsoft's gaming division was in a dire state. Despite the utterly meaningless PR. What was revealed in that court case showed a business which would have gone out of business if it were owned by any other company, bar Microsoft. The current revelations to me are jaw dropping. XBOX should be a pillar of gaming. An absolute behemoth that could push the industry forward. But in truth, they're not. In truth, they couldn't be further from that. Zero mindshare. Zero momentum. Zero prospects beyond trying to get Microsoft to swallow the entire industry, for what amounts to a "technical win."
In short, I'm 50/50. Microsoft owning ABK is of no consequence to me, personally. What gives me pause for thought is Satya Nadella's insistence and belief that buying up gaming publishers is "competing." Instead of creating great games.
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fred420170
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The regulators want more competition on mobile store fronts. Currently there is the duopoly of Google and Apple & MS wants to break into the mobile action. & regulators are for it. More competition leads to lower prices & more innovation.By MS putting it on a store on the exact same device?
Good luck arguing that constitutes an SLC
feynoob
Banned
He forgot to use his UK VPN.Did Cheezewizz actually out himself as an alt with those spam posts
Rookie mistake.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
is MS's master plan to benefit themselves form the hard work of other companies? that is insanity.
howev, could force them to improve their respective stores to be better for devs and consumers.
is MS's master plan to benefit themselves form the hard work of other companies? that is insanity.
howev, could force them to improve their respective stores to be better for devs and consumers.
If regulators force Apple and Google to open up, their mobile OSes will just be like Windows, for example. You'd be able to install alternative stores.
Do you think it's insanity for Steam to run on Windows?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
The thing I don't get with this is that you can already do this, there's amazon marketplace for example (or at leat there was, I am not sure if it is still available).You can downloasd ans install from there just like yyou can install APK which is like a pc.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
We found the alt!
Dude was out here thinking he was Kevin Durant with all his burner accounts
Quite the hyperbolic take.
And of course it's irrational to claim they've got zero mindshare, prospects and momentum. They're nowhere near Sony in mindshare and momentum, but the prospects are there, especially now they've invested in a bigger first party setup.
A huge part of why they're so far behind Sony in mindshare is the fact that they were down to a handful of first party studios for much of the xbox one generation. Rare, Turn 10, Coalition, Undead Labs, 343i, Mojang. Plus limited investment from Microsoft. And of course, some boneheaded decision making from MS leaders including Phil Spencer.
Not sure how you say you expect them to be a pillar and 'behemoth' in gaming and yet criticize their methods now they're finally trying to get to those levels.
You imagine their entire first party has stopped game development while waiting for the regulators to decide?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Later this year apple has to open up its devices to alternate stores so maybe that's were MS see an opening
Try doing that on iOS.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
is MS's master plan to benefit themselves form the hard work of other companies? that is insanity.
howev, could force them to improve their respective stores to be better for devs and consumers.
News for you, it's already happenjng
Apple to Allow Outside App Stores in Overhaul Spurred by EU Laws
Apple Inc. is preparing to allow alternative app stores on its iPhones and iPads, part of a sweeping overhaul aimed at complying with strict European Union requirements coming in 2024.
www.bloomberg.com
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Bonsaibäumchen
Member
This weeks gentle reminder.
Passed milestones:
9th March: FTC subpoena for Google
10th March: FTC subpoena for Take-Two
10th March: FTC subpoena for Sony
Up next:
20th March: ABK's subpoena for Take-Two - Today?!
7th April: Discovery deadline for the FTC - 17 days to go
26th April: CMA decision - 37 days to go.
22nd May: EU decision - 63 days to go.
As promised I'll try keeping these reminders coming like once or twice a week depending how much new intel might come to light in between and adding it to this timeline.
My apologies this weeks reminder was delayed due to Diablo 4 Beta.
Passed milestones:
9th March: FTC subpoena for Google
10th March: FTC subpoena for Take-Two
10th March: FTC subpoena for Sony
Up next:
20th March: ABK's subpoena for Take-Two - Today?!
7th April: Discovery deadline for the FTC - 17 days to go
26th April: CMA decision - 37 days to go.
22nd May: EU decision - 63 days to go.
As promised I'll try keeping these reminders coming like once or twice a week depending how much new intel might come to light in between and adding it to this timeline.
My apologies this weeks reminder was delayed due to Diablo 4 Beta.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Oh yeah I totally agree about IOS though, they should open it.But since I haven't used an Iphone in like 10 years, I gotta admit I don't know the system that well.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Spurred by EU LawsNews for you, it's already happenjng
Apple to Allow Outside App Stores in Overhaul Spurred by EU Laws
Apple Inc. is preparing to allow alternative app stores on its iPhones and iPads, part of a sweeping overhaul aimed at complying with strict European Union requirements coming in 2024.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Windows is an open platform.
They didn't claim that they wouldn't make Bethesda games exclusive. They said they had no incentive to REMOVE already released titles. People keep butchering that statement into meaning they had no incentive to remove series or future games. Microsoft has done exactly what they have stated with Bethesda titles and it was always stated that Bethesda was being acquired to bolster their exclusive first party content.
With Activision, there's remedies on the table and Microsoft has signed with 4 companies already, with Sony and Valve as other ones who haven't agreed to a contract... and we know there's more on the way.
MS has taken a different stance with this acquisition and have committed to this exact stance since the day they announced their intent to acquire Activision.
Drell
Member
Fanboy doing fanboy things to defend his holy corporation on some gaming forum.Did Cheezewizz actually out himself as an alt with those spam posts
sainraja
Member
You can jailbreak it.
And yeah, they have a closed system but they have shown the value of doing that; it is popular with people.Steam does have an app on the Mac, game developers are the ones lagging behind in supporting the OS. Microsoft simply lacks a mobile OS ecosystem to model after Apple/Google. They certainly tried.
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Pelta88
Member
I live in Europe and I've been a gamer since before Microsoft entered the console market. The OG XBOX made huge waves here. The 360 was a beast despite the RROD debacle. Then, here in Europe, 2012/13 saw XBOX fall off the proverbial cliff.
If I'm being hyperbolic, then I'm curious as to what you call Brad Smith and Microsoft's public submissions to the regulators about their current position in the EU/UK? Currently, in the EU Microsoft market share is so insignificant that they rarely/barely even advertise. Instead, they promo free GP subs with McDonalds Happy Meals. So insignificant that some prominent gaming retail stores don't even stock the console because it's difficult to move units. We're talking about a console which had the EU in a frenzy over Halo 2's midnight launch. To a company that has so incompetently botched it's gaming efforts to the point where its premiere ip, Halo, became a punchline in the mainstream media here.
Why do you think we're here? Why do you think Microsoft is trying to pay almost double ATVI's share price to get COD? They're trying to buy momentum. They're trying to purchase mind share. Why? Because 70 Billion is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the deficit they face here.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
No they didn't, that's some embellishment.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Yes, they did.
"Microsoft will not make any existing ZeniMax games exclusive to Xbox. They will continue to be available for purchase for PCs and other gaming hardware for which they are currently available, which will ensure that they continue to be available to current players of those games. Microsoft will not be removing players' access to any current games, no matter where they currently play."
"For future ZeniMax games, Microsoft intends to make these games available for purchase on PC and, where the games are designed as native mobile games, on mobile devices running both iOS and Android. Future decisions on whether to distribute ZeniMax games for other consoles will be made on a case-by-case basis, taking into account player demand and sentiment, Microsoft's strategic and financial goals, and the willingness of third-party gaming hardware providers to run Microsoft games and services. Microsoft will make all acquired games and future releases available to subscribers of its Game Pass service on the day the games are launched (which can be used to play on PCs, Xbox consoles and Android mobiles), but does not currently anticipate distributing them through other subscription services. This reflects Microsoft's broader strategy to promote a subscription-based model which it believes will generate value and choice for game players. This policy would not preclude players from downloading or buying these games outside of Xbox Game Pass: Microsoft anticipates that existing games and future multi-platform games will be available for purchase from relevant digital storefronts of all major consoles and PCs."
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
And what about those "first, better or best"?
fred420170
Member
Exactly, MS knows exactly what it is doing. They aren't playing the short game here. They want to be at X point market share in 15-20 years. The investments now are going to pay off down the line in huge dividends. They seriously could care less about COD going to other platforms.
Ezekiel_
Banned
We can thank regulators for that
TheGodfather07
Member
Microsoft also said that they will not have the incentive to withhold zenimax titles from rival consoles.
Where do you see only existing titles from that statement? They are taking about current and future releases here.
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That's the Xbox CFO making that proclamation, for one. Phil Spencer said even before that they didn't need PlayStation for Elder Scrolls/ Future RPGs to make the deal work. Plus exclusivity still fits under "First, better or best"
Banjo64
cumsessed
No, they didn't.
This is a definitive statement, that's a good thing. They aren't talking about incentive here (when talking about already released games).
All of this ^ is what they were talking about when they said they had no incentive to stop selling Zenimax games on the PlayStation store (with no mention of past, present or future).
ChorizoPicozo
Member
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Really ? Because exclusivity sound a lot more like a "only " than a first, better, or best...Besides none fit since comparison can't be made between a real thing and something that doesn't exists.....Do I need to bring the sunset overdrive example here too ?
you're having difficulty parsing it. EXISTING means already released games, not existing franchises. future multi-platform means titles they have decided to release multi-platform and not exclusively. They have done exactly what they said they would do. "future multi-platform games" is doing all the work there. it's not saying all future games will be multiplatform, it's saying future multi-platform games (games that MS doesn't want to go exclusive) will be available on all relevant storefronts.
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DrFigs
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Of the four games Bethesda recently released or will release in the future outside their agreement with sony: Hi-fi rush, Redfall, Starfield, and Elder Scrolls 6, as far as we know, are all exclusive. So the big titles are exclusive, but the smaller ones are too. What exactly is coming to PS5 from Bethesda?
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Quake was also announced and released post-acquisition. Zenimax Online Studios (makers of ESO) next game will likely be multi-platform, as well.
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