Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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GHG said:
"Actual customers" ladies and gentleman.

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I guess this is why things are the way they are and continue to deteriorate.
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Guess every Xbox owner should go sell their console in protest of games being delayed, MS must be held accountable for incompetent management for one mediocre year after one great year!

Generations last 6+ years, they're a marathon not a sprint. I've never not had things to play on my Xbox, and enjoyed their first party output which will only ramp up in the coming years.
 
Handel said:
Guess every Xbox owner should go sell their console in protest of games being delayed, MS must be held accountable for incompetent management for one mediocre year after one great year!

Generations last 6+ years, they're a marathon not a sprint. I've never not had things to play on my Xbox, and enjoyed their first party output which will only ramp up in the coming years.
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Ok good for you, your service and commitment is appreciated.
 
Warablo said:
I think the scope of the game has some effect on it. No matter how much money you pour into Pentiment, it wouldn't be considered AAA to the masses.
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Scope and budget go hand in hand. That's different than genre. R&C is more shooter than platformer but is has a massive amount of tech behind it and had a big marketing budget as well. All that combined is why it is a AAA game.
 
Handel said:
Guess every Xbox owner should go sell their console in protest of games being delayed, MS must be held accountable for incompetent management for one mediocre year after one great year!

Generations last 6+ years, they're a marathon not a sprint. I've never not had things to play on my Xbox, and enjoyed their first party output which will only ramp up in the coming years.
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that tank of copium has been empty for several years now.
 
Topher said:
Scope and budget go hand in hand. That's different than genre. R&C is more shooter than platformer but is has a massive amount of tech behind it and had a big marketing budget as well. All that combined is why it is a AAA game.
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Would you classify Psychonauts 2 as an AAA game, or an AA game ? Because what it lacks in sheer technological spectacle, it more than makes up for in other areas and IMO ends up being the better 'platformer' and overall game, of the two if we compare them.
 
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adamsapple said:
Would you classify Psychonauts 2 as an AAA game, or an AA game ? Because what it lacks in sheer technological spectacle, it more than makes up for in other areas and IMO ends up being the better 'platformer' and overall game, of the two if we compare them.
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Psychonauts 2 is definitely the better platformer, but the weaker shooter. It has a better story though. Technically, it isn't even close to being in R&C's league. I think everyone can agree on that. The tech is going to be the difference in budget. Because of that alone, I'd say Psychonauts 2 is closer to AA.

Handel said:
Guess every Xbox owner should go sell their console in protest of games being delayed, MS must be held accountable for incompetent management for one mediocre year after one great year!

Generations last 6+ years, they're a marathon not a sprint. I've never not had things to play on my Xbox, and enjoyed their first party output which will only ramp up in the coming years.
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The problem is Xbox first party has been consistently weak. Phil Spencer has admitted this many times. One good year doesn't change that.

Having said that, this year looks to be fantastic. I'm hopeful this is beginning of a long string of kick ass year's from Xbox.
 
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Handel said:
List wars is when a platform warrior posts a list of games for their platform and says it's superior to another platform due to how impressive the list is, my post is not that just a refutation of your claim that Sony's 2021 was great compared to MS's terrible 2022.
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So why do you think you're creating these lists then in an acquisition thread where somebody said any further MS delay would mean they have a problem with releases? Somebody made the sonytoo comment for that reason. Why do you think Sony is even being discussed and your lists created?

Handel said:
You keep bringing up misinformation about metacritic ranking of Sony in 2021 as if that ranking is based primarily due to new games, when the majority of Sony releases counted are PS5/PC ports. When comparing just new game releases, the quality of games is around the same.
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What misinformation? Don't put words in my mouth. I said that in 2021 they released Ratchet and Clank and Returnal. Somebody said two games only show how bad 2021 was. I said the two games were just the new ones I mentioned, that both MS and sony relied on the same amount of those in 2021 and both had hardware ports like Death stranding DC PS5, FS2020 on xbox, etc to pad releases.
Handel said:
Good games are good games, "AAA" label is truly an irrelevance to people who actually love gaming.
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Great, nobody is saying don't enjoy what you enjoy but at least get who brought up bit hitters and AAA right. Hint, it was your buddies:
RickMasters said:
Forza seems more like a august release but who knows. Either way they have some big hitters for the later half of the year asking as no delays hit them.
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phil_t98 said:
do you consider them to be AAA games like GOW R GT7 and HFW though? none of those are in the same league
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Maybe direct your anger at the right person instead of attacking a strawman.
 
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Three said:
So why do you think you're creating these lists then in an acquisition thread where somebody said any further MS delay would mean they have a problem with releases? Somebody made the sonytoo comment for that reason. Why do you think Sony is even being discussed?


What misinformation? Don't put words in my mouth. I said that in 2021 they released Ratchet and Clank and Returnal. Somebody said two games only show how bad 2021 was. I said the two games were just the new ones I mentioned, that both MS and sony relied on the same amount of those in 2021 and both had hardware ports like Death stranding DC PS5, FS2020 on xbox, etc to pad releases.

Great, nobody is saying don't enjoy what you enjoy but at least get who brought up bit hitters and AAA right. Hint, it was your buddies:




Maybe direct your anger at the right person instead of attacking a strawman.
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No anger it was a question asked you never answered
 
phil_t98 said:
No anger it was a question asked you never answered
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I'm replying to Handel Handel s comment:

"Good games are good games, "AAA" label is truly an irrelevance to people who actually love gaming."

I'm telling him I wasn't even the one who brought up AAA or dismissed anything. I'm telling him to point his anger at the right person at least. I didn't even mention AAA. I answered your question too if you go back and read the comments.
 
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I remember when this thread used to be about Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch.
Seems to be some serious moving of goal posts or obvious attempts to change the subject going on in here.

On topic, what are the remaining barriers to do this deal going through?
Japan has approved, the EU seems to be on track. Is only the FTC the biggest remaining obstacle?
 
phil_t98 said:
has the same review scores as Returnal so what's your point?
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Not related to pentiment per se but the everything is fine Xbox group also over rates releases. Halo Infinite was GOTY based on finally getting something released and peoples expectations on the future. Everyone else has to actually deliver and not get extra points because it has potential to get better.
 
gothmog said:
Not related to pentiment per se but the everything is fine Xbox group also over rates releases. Halo Infinite was GOTY based on finally getting something released and peoples expectations on the future. Everyone else has to actually deliver and not get extra points because it has potential to get better.
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Well somebody pointed out that meta critic scores were what to judge games on and now your saying it's different scores because of platform?
 
Three said:
You guys really seem to love #SonyToo. while those were delayed they still released Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Returnal. Meanwhile 2022 was pretty baron for MS to the point where they didn't even count as a publisher for metacritic.

He is also saying that if games were delayed out of 2023 after the baron 2022 it would mean that there is a big problem with their releases. Not sure where you are getting SonyToo out of that because there is absolutely no equivalence there. That 2 year drought would be unprecedented.
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'Baron'? 😂

And how would it be a 2 year drought with multiple first party titles released in 2023?

None of this has anything to do with SonyToo. They're (rightly) calling for consistency here.

People want to play games, not any weird gymnastics about what was delayed or not. Hogwarts Legacy was delayed from 2022 to 2023. You think any of the millions of gamers who played that title gives a damn about whether or not it was a '2022 game'?
 
Ozriel said:
'Baron'? 😂

And how would it be a 2 year drought with multiple first party titles released in 2023?

None of this has anything to do with SonyToo. They're (rightly) calling for consistency here.

People want to play games, not any weird gymnastics about what was delayed or not. Hogwarts Legacy was delayed from 2022 to 2023. You think any of the millions of gamers who played that title gives a damn about whether or not it was a '2022 game'?
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You two always seem to be having a go at each other.


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phil_t98 said:
Well somebody pointed out that meta critic scores were what to judge games on and now your saying it's different scores because of platform?
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I certainly would never say scores matter, but you can compare the PC and Xbox versions of games and notice that the Xbox version always seems to rate higher.
 
Three said:
Great, nobody is saying don't enjoy what you enjoy but at least get who brought up bit hitters and AAA right. Hint, it was your buddies:

Maybe direct your anger at the right person instead of attacking a strawman.
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Ironic that you talk to him about strawmen, when you are misdirecting other people quotes to make your own point.


My post has nothing to do with your list wars debate you are having with somebody else. and you knew that when you copied and pasted it.

and secondly...Im not his 'buddy'..I dont know him from a can of paint....neither do I know or interact with you. use other people to make your fanboyish points. Im not here for it, kid.
 
feynoob said:
No actual news right now, so we are chilling out.
Wait when we get a big news. You will get 10+ pages fast.
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If anyone wants to know what those 10+ plus pages will say, you can just jump to any page number in this thread that ends in a 1,2,4,7 or a 9 and read 10+ pages from there on, because people will tirelessly regurgitate the same stuff that's been said throughout this 800+ plus page thread.
 
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RickMasters said:
Ironic that you talk to him about strawmen, when you are misdirecting other people quotes to make your own point.


My post has nothing to do with your list wars debate you are having with somebody else. and you knew that when you copied and pasted it.

and secondly...Im not his 'buddy'..I dont know him from a can of paint....neither do I know or interact with you. use other people to make your fanboyish points. Im not here for it, kid.
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Don't be so sensitive. Your post is the beginning of the debate about releasing big hitters this year and feynoob said if they were to be delayed then they have a problem with releases. Get over yourself, kid. I was just showing him the context of the conversation.

His strawman is attributing something to me that I never said. Making it seem like I'm the one who mentioned AAA when it was phil_t98 who was saying 2021 was bad because Ratchet and Clank and Returnal weren't AAA and if that were the case what was 2022 to MS?
 
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Ozriel said:
None of this has anything to do with SonyToo. They're (rightly) calling for consistency here.
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The drought is referring to 'big hitters' if they were delayed.

Consistency of what? Of course it's about Sonytoo.

Somebody said they need to release their big hitters like Forza at the end of this year, feynoob then said their games were delayed from 2022 already, that if they don't release games in 2023 they have a problem with releases.

Then somebody with a SonyToo tag got offended jumped in and said that's like Sony's 2021 situation. Knowning it isn't really, Sony didn't fail to register as a publisher in 2021 to move to 2022. They were still the 2nd best publisher in terms of output. Then all hell broke loose with list wars and bullshit.
 
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Topher said:
Psychonauts 2 is definitely the better platformer, but the weaker shooter. It has a better story though. Technically, it isn't even close to being in R&C's league. I think everyone can agree on that. The tech is going to be the difference in budget. Because of that alone, I'd say Psychonauts 2 is closer to AA.



The problem is Xbox first party has been consistently weak. Phil Spencer has admitted this many times. One good year doesn't change that.

Having said that, this year looks to be fantastic. I'm hopeful this is beginning of a long string of kick ass year's from Xbox.
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Personally this is the biggest reason I am against these MS purchases, I think it will water down the products of the studios bought instead of bolstering them. I think instead of MS adopting higher standards, these studios will instead adopt MS's lesser quality. Imo the real danger here isn't MS making series like COD, Elder Scrolls, Doom, etc exclusive, it is instead that they ruin them to the point where they are no longer viable and beyond salvagable. MS simply doesn't possess a good creative culture when it comes to game production at all.
 
Methos#1975 said:
Personally this is the biggest reason I am against these MS purchases, I think it will water down the products of the studios bought instead of bolstering them. I think instead of MS adopting higher standards, these studios will instead adopt MS's lesser quality. Imo the real danger here isn't MS making series like COD, Elder Scrolls, Doom, etc exclusive, it is instead that they ruin them to the point where they are no longer viable and beyond salvagable. MS simply doesn't possess a good creative culture when it comes to game production at all.
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To be fair, Activision isn't exactly a creative company. At worst, nothing will change under Microsoft. Blizzard is what concerns me. As a huge WoW player and fan of Starcraft and Diablo, I hope they take their hands off approach to them and dial it up to 11. Last thing I want is seeing someone in my raid looking like Master Chief and riding a fucking Brumak mount.
 
Methos#1975 said:
Personally this is the biggest reason I am against these MS purchases, I think it will water down the products of the studios bought instead of bolstering them. I think instead of MS adopting higher standards, these studios will instead adopt MS's lesser quality. Imo the real danger here isn't MS making series like COD, Elder Scrolls, Doom, etc exclusive, it is instead that they ruin them to the point where they are no longer viable and beyond salvagable. MS simply doesn't possess a good creative culture when it comes to game production at all.
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I love how people are jumping to conclusions that MS will make these studios shit.
You guys never fail to entertain me.
It's like these studios stopped doing all their work and started becoming shit all of sudden.
 
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feynoob said:
COD is a community based like minecraft. MS would be utterly stupid to make it exclusive.
This new age is MTX era. Too many dumb people spend alot of money on season passes, battle passes and skins. As long as these people exist, the game would be multiplatform. MS can make insane money like fifa ultimate.
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MS would be utterly stupid in doing several of the moves they keep doing over and over again.
Guess what? They still make them.
 
feynoob said:
I love how people are jumping to conclusions that MS will make these studios shit.
You guys never fail to entertain me.
It's like these studios stopped doing all their work and started becoming shit all of sudden.
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You say that but these opinions are based on a historical trend, so far everything MS touches has gone to shit such as Rare.
 
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