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Just like all the meltdowns when the cma approved it right? Maybe you guys ought to have a little more self reflection.

I game on all platforms but lean Xbox... if i need to play something on a different platform i buy it. Simple. That being said, i may just along for the ride here but want it to be as interesting as possible until it's fully done.

 

[feynoob]

Don't forget that the 360 also had its fair hsare or problems ...RROD, yet it was still successful, it didn't take sony to fuck up for MS to gain ground, they were actively putting out great games, something that can in no way be said about xb1 or the series...So weird how the gen where they put out the most great games was their most successful one kinda like there was some correlation between the two.At least Phil should try that approach just to see if it works , it had worked for Xbox right before him, why suddenly it wouldn't work ?

Because of the main reason why Xbox is failing now.

Ps3 failure hid x360 mistakes. MS didn't invest heavily in to their inhouse studios and relied on those exclusives. Mainly why Xbox one had so little first party games.

We know that games take long time to make. Had MS had at least 3 more studios like obsidian quality, they would have had couple of huge games. They didn't and paid ultimate price.

Moral of the story, MS neglected their studios early, which made Xbox one and xbs suffer badly. All because Ms relied on the false sense that was 3rd party exclusives.

 

[feynoob]

In the gaming business loyalty is built as a result of great games on a consistent basis. Xbox have not enjoyed the same level of loyalty and love that the other 2 console manufacturers have had for one simple reason.

Sony and Nintendo invested on their first party and as result got the games in the process.
MS didn't and that is why they are having this issue.

from OG Xbox to X360 they couldn't bother themselves on expanding their in-house studios. Because these are what makes you great games.

 

[azertydu91]

Because of the main reason why Xbox is failing now.

Ps3 failure hid x360 mistakes. MS didn't invest heavily in to their inhouse studios and relied on those exclusives. Mainly why Xbox one had so little first party games.

We know that games take long time to make. Had MS had at least 3 more studios like obsidian quality, they would have had couple of huge games. They didn't and paid ultimate price.

Moral of the story, MS neglected their studios early, which made Xbox one and xbs suffer badly. All because Ms relied on the false sense that was 3rd party exclusives.

When did they star their acquisition spree again 2017 right ?...It has been 6 years.....6 years.
What do they have to show , what fruits has come of those acquisitions....Is there an anouncement from those studios ?A gameplay section ?
Sony bought insomniac in 2020, since then they release Miles morales, Ratchet&clank and will release spiderman 2 this year...Maybe studios just like games are more to be acquired depending on their quality than their quantity, or maybe they should be better managed because so far it look more like money thrwon in the thrash that real investment susceptible to pay off.

 

[feynoob]

When did they star their acquisition spree again 2017 right ?...It has been 6 years.....6 years.
What do they have to show , what fruits has come of those acquisitions....Is there an anouncement from those studios ?A gameplay section ?
Sony bought insomniac in 2020, since then they release Miles morales, Ratchet&clank and will release spiderman 2 this year...Maybe studios just like games are more to be acquired depending on their quality than their quantity, or maybe they should be better managed because so far it look more like money thrwon in the thrash that real investment susceptible to pay off.

Insomniac started spiderman after sunset overdrive.. It took them until 2018 to make the game. That is when Sony bought them. Ratchet and miles could have been in the work during this time line.

As for MS purchase, obsidian finished outer world in 2019. Ninja theory were busy making VR games.
You can see the dateline of their games.
https://ninjatheory.com/games/

to put it simply, games take time. It's not 1 push button. If Sony bought insomniac without them making spiderman 2018, then you wouldn't have seen all their newer games. Miles would have been a 2024 game, same with ratchet. And wolverine wouldn't have existed by now.

 

[azertydu91]

Insomniac started spiderman after sunset overdrive.. It took them until 2018 to make the game. That is when Sony bought them. Ratchet and miles could have been in the work during this time line.

As for MS purchase, obsidian finished outer world in 2019. Ninja theory were busy making VR games.
You can see the dateline of their games.
https://ninjatheory.com/games/

to put it simply, games take time. It's not 1 push button. If Sony bought insomniac without them making spiderman 2018, then you wouldn't have seen all their newer games. Miles would have been a 2024 game, same with ratchet. And wolverine wouldn't have existed by now.

Great for spiderman too bad I was talking about miles morales and not the first one a big swing and a miss from you.Because if you wanted to say good studio made good games and continued to do so ....Well it didn't work for Arkane...

 

[feynoob]

Great for spiderman too bad I was talking about miles morales and not the first one a big swing and a miss from you.Because if you wanted to say good studio made good games and continued to do so ....Well it didn't work for Arkane...

Arkane is arkane. They make games that fits their profile.
But their big issues was Bethesda management/zenimax before the acquisition.

Due to low sales, they forced their studios to make something else, which can generate money. It's why dishonored 3 was denied in order for them to make deathloop.

 

[azertydu91]

Arkane is arkane. They make games that fits their profile.
But their big issues was Bethesda management/zenimax before the acquisition.

Due to low sales, they forced their studios to make something else, which can generate money. It's why dishonored 3 was denied in order for them to make deathloop.

Great, in now way relevant to what I said though.

 

[feynoob]

Great, in now way relevant to what I said though.

It provides some context.
Studios these days suffer from bad management.

Cdpr released cyberpunk 2077, because of upper management interference. Halo infinite suffered badly because of 343i management.

Arkane could have made the game that they wanted. But pressure from upper management denied that freedom creativity.

Speaking with Rock Paper Shotgun, Raphaël Colantonio, the founder of Arkane, spoke about Deathloop’s origins. Apparently, Bethesda wasn’t interested in doing a Dishonored 3, and instead, they wanted Arkane to do something simple and short. That would allow the developers to work on something and further learn when it came to crafting a new experience. According to the interview, there was a few attributes that the developers wanted to include. For example, this next game project would need multiplayer, possibly microtransactions, and a roguelike experience.

From there, the team got to work, and that’s when they came up with the idea of Deathloop. It would be a short game with players revisiting sections of the map at different periods, which gave some roguelike elements. However, the production continued to get bigger, and in the end, they were given a new product that Colantonio says would have cost just as much if they had decided to make a Dishonored 3.

I get that you want high quality games, but sometimes it's not that simple. You need upper guys that can lead their studios and not interfere with their creativity too much, unless they are making something bad.

 

[feynoob]

 

[Varteras]

God damn you! I thought something new happened and your goofy ass is just posting shit we already have 10 threads on!

 

[feynoob]

God damn you! I thought something new happened and your goofy ass is just posting shit we already have 10 threads on!

If you want firework, I suggest you comeback here on may 23. We gonna have EU result firework.
Meantime, its back to old business.

 

[RAIDEN1]

I thought I'd share a "Did you know?" moment, but if this deal also fails on appeal, then Microsoft and Blizzard would be blocked attempting to try again until at least 2033/34.....but who knows what the gaming landscape will look like by then...

 

[IllegalLemon]

considering sideloading is coming thanks to EU why are they still arguing about apps in browsers?
even in the UK it will be possible

I'll do Florian one better. Where does Apple fit into all this? Unless I'm misunderstanding. If that's the case, I apologize. If he's trying to relate this to Microsoft and ABK, then, they're not the ones trying to make the most gargantuan acquisition the world has ever seen, Microsoft is. Seems like these dudes are just aimlessly searching random places, even in documents that are irrelevant to gaming for that hidden W, grasping for the tiniest trace of a straw they could find, even when the L truck is literally right outside their doorstep . Desperate times, call for desperate measures it seems.

 

[fermcr]

"More info on the CMA's cloud gaming assessment:
One third-party (possible Google, Amazon, or even Sony) submitted an independent analyst report that estimated revenues generated from cloud services.
PS Now was in the lead in 2021, and xCloud made less than $50 million."

 

[ToadMan]

I'll do Florian one better. Where does Apple fit into all this? Unless I'm misunderstanding. If that's the case, I apologize. If he's trying to relate this to Microsoft and ABK, then, they're not the ones trying to make the most gargantuan acquisition the world has ever seen, Microsoft is. Seems like these dudes are just aimlessly searching random places, even in documents that are irrelevant to gaming for that hidden W, grasping for the tiniest trace of a straw they could find, even when the L truck is literally right outside their doorstep . Desperate times, call for desperate measures it seems.

I think that guy was claiming that MS creating a new mobile storefront was the actual benefit he wanted - the gaming side and acquisition was just a means to that end for him.

He’s a frustrated app developer or some such convinced that Apple is stopping him being fantastically wealthy I guess, while MS would be much more benevolent.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"More info on the CMA's cloud gaming assessment:
One third-party (possible Google, Amazon, or even Sony) submitted an independent analyst report that estimated revenues generated from cloud services.
PS Now was in the lead in 2021, and xCloud made less than $50 million."

The point of this?

The CMA made their position clear. It was about the next 10 years and narrowing the market for the current 70% of cloud infrastructure provider.

xCloud was not around long enough, and was mainly in beta until the past year or so.

 

[azertydu91]

It provides some context.
Studios these days suffer from bad management.

Cdpr released cyberpunk 2077, because of upper management interference. Halo infinite suffered badly because of 343i management.

Arkane could have made the game that they wanted. But pressure from upper management denied that freedom creativity.



I get that you want high quality games, but sometimes it's not that simple. You need upper guys that can lead their studios and not interfere with their creativity too much, unless they are making something bad.

Sorry I missed your response heznce the late reply, the discussion isn't fresh in my head and some other events happened that chased a bit this topic from my head.But basically what I meant was buying but not managing studios well won't give great products and so far Phil showed a total incapacity of handling its stable of studios.....I also think that is partly why the hands off approach, they can't manage them and don't know what gamers want.To me that's the saddest part because I just want more good games be it from sony nintendo or ms, sony and nintendo got that covered but MS is struggling it feel like a

situation.
Games being in dev hell left and right announcement with no gameplay 3 or 4 years after their reveal and his last intrerview didn't scream with confidence.

 

[feynoob]

Ass of Can Whooping sorry buddy. My license for the PS family got revoked today.

Had little argument with my little brother and he got back his ps5. It seems I won't be able to use the PS5 anymore.

I guess I will have to buy one next year. This year funding went to my new car. Until then, it will be using my PC and switch.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Ass of Can Whooping sorry buddy. My license for the PS family got revoked today.

Had little argument with my little brother and he got back his ps5. It seems I won't be able to use the PS5 anymore.

I guess I will have to buy one next year. This year funding went to my new car. Until then, it will be using my PC and switch.

Does your bro have an xbox?

 

[feynoob]

Does your bro have an xbox?

He is pcmr. He doesn't like Xbox.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

He is pcmr. He doesn't like Xbox.

Damn sorry man. Can't justify slapping the cunt if he doesn't have an xbox. Spiderman 2 will be waiting for you

 

[DeepEnigma]

He is pcmr. He doesn't like Xbox.

That's a rarity. They're usually adjacent by proxy 9 times out of 10 in the great brand wars.

 

[feynoob]

Damn sorry man. Can't justify slapping the cunt if he doesn't have an xbox. Spiderman 2 will be waiting for you

I will buy it in a heartbeat once I get to buy it.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I will buy it in a heartbeat once I get to buy it.

How's your college stuff going by the way? Not been paying attention on account of the CMA nearly forcing me to commit suicide this year

 

[feynoob]

That's a rarity. They're usually adjacent by proxy 9 times out of 10 in the great brand wars.

We are a pc family.
Though, I was the one who bought his PS4, when he was a kid.

 

[feynoob]

How's your college stuff going by the way? Not been paying attention on account of the CMA nearly forcing me to commit suicide this year

It's going good. Finished 2 years. 2 more left and I won't have to think about it anymore.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It's going good. Finished 2 years. 2 more left and I won't have to think about it anymore.

Good stuff hang in there.

 

[GHG]

That's a rarity. They're usually adjacent by proxy 9 times out of 10 in the great brand wars.

Nah, there are just a disproportionate amount of fakers here.

The claim:

"I'm a PC gamer through and through, I'm neutral I promise"

The reality:

*has a low-mid tier PC*

*barely has any games on Steam*

*stans for the windows store*

*doesn't understand the problems with the Epic games store*

*defends Microsoft and Xbox at every opportunity*

*has no issue with Denuvo or other similar DRM*

*never takes part in any PC hardware or PC specific game discussions*

*has irrational hate for Sony*

*shills gamepass, loves "free" games but is nowhere to be seen in humble bundle discussions or when games are actually free and are being given away*

*hates on the Steam Deck, advocates xcloud and the Series S*

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nah, there are just a disproportionate amount of fakers here.

The claim:

"I'm a PC gamer through and through, I'm neutral I promise"

The reality:

*has a low-mid tier PC*

*barely has any games on Steam*

*stans for the windows store*

*doesn't understand the problems with the Epic games store*

*defends Microsoft and Xbox at every opportunity*

*never takes part in any PC hardware or PC specific game discussions*

*has irrational hate for Sony*

*shills gamepass, loves "free" games but is nowhere to be seen in humble bundle discussions or when games are actually free and are being given away*

*hates on the Steam Deck l, advocates xcloud and the Series S*

Or just an Xbox hooked up to a PC monitor.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

This thread is at 559 pages now and nothing has really changed since page 1.

Idk care what anyone says, if Xbox can’t make this deal happen it will be one of the many reasons Xbox falls out the gaming business.

No avowed, no fable, no perfect dark, nothing new to share about hellblade 2, Redfall looks like a flop and where the f*ck is Starfield?… they are depending on at $10 a month service while the other guys are charging $70 a pop for one game and selling millions of copies. The writing is on the wall for Xbox but everyone is pretending to be blind not to see it.

Called this months ago, we are now at 932 pages .....

 

[GHG]

Or just an Xbox hooked up to a PC monitor.

Now you understand why there was so much talk about "why doesn't the PS5 support 1440p? How dare they not support it".

 

[feynoob]

*stans for the windows store*

 

[reinking]

Nah, there are just a disproportionate amount of fakers here.

The claim:

"I'm a PC gamer through and through, I'm neutral I promise"

The reality:

*has a low-mid tier PC*

*barely has any games on Steam*

*stans for the windows store*

*doesn't understand the problems with the Epic games store*

*defends Microsoft and Xbox at every opportunity*

*has no issue with Denuvo or other similar DRM*

*never takes part in any PC hardware or PC specific game discussions*

*has irrational hate for Sony*

*shills gamepass, loves "free" games but is nowhere to be seen in humble bundle discussions or when games are actually free and are being given away*

*hates on the Steam Deck, advocates xcloud and the Series S*

Why u callin me out like that!

 

[Topher]

Nah, there are just a disproportionate amount of fakers here.

The claim:

"I'm a PC gamer through and through, I'm neutral I promise"

The reality:

*has a low-mid tier PC*

*barely has any games on Steam*

*stans for the windows store*

*doesn't understand the problems with the Epic games store*

*defends Microsoft and Xbox at every opportunity*

*has no issue with Denuvo or other similar DRM*

*never takes part in any PC hardware or PC specific game discussions*

*has irrational hate for Sony*

*shills gamepass, loves "free" games but is nowhere to be seen in humble bundle discussions or when games are actually free and are being given away*

*hates on the Steam Deck, advocates xcloud and the Series S*

 

[FrankWza]

You guys are forgetting "allduhsystemz but scared about arrogant sony"

 

[Baki]

Because of the main reason why Xbox is failing now.

Ps3 failure hid x360 mistakes. MS didn't invest heavily in to their inhouse studios and relied on those exclusives. Mainly why Xbox one had so little first party games.

We know that games take long time to make. Had MS had at least 3 more studios like obsidian quality, they would have had couple of huge games. They didn't and paid ultimate price.

Moral of the story, MS neglected their studios early, which made Xbox one and xbs suffer badly. All because Ms relied on the false sense that was 3rd party exclusives.

The irony is that Phil was in charge of XB studios during the 360 era.

 

[freefornow]

*has a low-mid tier PC*

Isnt this the majority of PC players?
Me after reading

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Most PC players aren't playing bleeding edge class console ports anyways. They mostly play Minecraft, Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch, etc. PC gaming isn't really about challenging consoles for super extreme graphics and never has been. That's why the top Steam games have been stuff like CSGO and DOTA forever and ever. I'm someone who has a 3090 and the majority of my PC playing time is spent on Genshin Impact and now Honkai Star Rail LMAO, there just aren't that many ultra high end mega graphics games I can spend all my time playing.

 

[feynoob]

Most PC players aren't playing bleeding edge class console ports anyways. They mostly play Minecraft, Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch, etc. PC gaming isn't really about challenging consoles for super extreme graphics and never has been. That's why the top Steam games have been stuff like CSGO and DOTA forever and ever. I'm someone who has a 3090 and the majority of my PC playing time is spent on Genshin Impact and now Honkai Star Rail LMAO, there just aren't that many ultra high end mega graphics games I can spend all my time playing.

We play high end games. It isn't exclusive to consoles.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

considering sideloading is coming thanks to EU why are they still arguing about apps in browsers?
even in the UK it will be possible

You mean Apple? Because it does not benefit to give up as if they for example win (like here) they can use that later to try to argue against EU's decisions and stuff like that. It is one of the reasons why companies tend to fight the decisions - you just don't give a benefit of win to an opposite party in a case where you can win. If a loss based on something you cannot deny - something reasonable and obvious - then companies just give up. But if it is something that is not reasonable, obvious or even correct - they will fight.

 

[feynoob]

Found one of my old favourite game. The funny thing is that the name is too easy and simple, yet I keep forgeting about it non stop.

Game is good and has old feelings.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

We play high end games. It isn't exclusive to consoles.

well, it kind of is

 

[feynoob]

Isnt this the majority of PC players?
Me after reading

My PC still needs modification.

 

[feynoob]

well, it kind of is

Considering PS and Xbox are dumbing their games on our platfrom, we are the platform with most exclusive content.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Considering PS and Xbox are dumbing their games on our platfrom, we are the platform with the most exclusive content.

that was not your previous statement.
still the "most exclusive content" is not
"high end games".

which is the point.

 

[feynoob]

that was not your previous statement.
still the "most exclusive content" is not
"high end games".

which is the point.

It can go either way. We pc have both.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

It can go either way. We pc have both.

not really.

 

[feynoob]

not really.

Xbox doesn't have PS exclusives, PS doesn't have Xbox exclusives. We have our own exclusives games. We get timed exclusives from all three systems.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Most PC players aren't playing bleeding edge class console ports anyways. They mostly play Minecraft, Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch, etc. PC gaming isn't really about challenging consoles for super extreme graphics and never has been. That's why the top Steam games have been stuff like CSGO and DOTA forever and ever. I'm someone who has a 3090 and the majority of my PC playing time is spent on Genshin Impact and now Honkai Star Rail LMAO, there just aren't that many ultra high end mega graphics games I can spend all my time playing.

one look at the top sellers list on steam would tell you this isnt true