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[DenchDeckard]

This would doom them. If the PS5 Pro is on 2024 it would means a 2025 X pro. 5 years after the 2020 launch. It would make the PS5 Pro the standard for enhanced games and make the Series X pro limited to a few studios as we would be close to the PS6/ next Xbox era. They need to be same date or sooner to have a chance to be relevant. The One X was the better console VS the PS4 Pro. But the Pro has 1 year alone in the market. And a clear plan. Why loose one year for a pointless tech superiority that will not lead to better games and make the next gen Xbox less attractive in retrospect? I would like it as a Xbox Series X Pro would be a great subventioned PC in a sense. But it would not be a good strategy.

Sony themselves said that the PS4 Pro was to stop the fact that some Playstation gamers were leaving the ecosystem to go PC mid-gen. The VR was just a nice bonus. But yes we are not making it profitable ourselves. Consoles are still sold at loss. But the business case is not that awful. At least for Playstation. No idea about Xbox.

Nah the one x came a year later and any competent dev showed a clear upgrade over the pro version of games.

This would drive more people to buy.

Just make it easier for the devs and a clear upgrade and it would be very appealing.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Nah the one x came a year later and any competent dev showed a clear upgrade over the pro version of games.

This would drive more people to buy.

Just make it easier for the devs and a clear upgrade and it would be very appealing.

Xbox One X barely made a dent in the market. I doubt MS goes that path again considering they aren't selling nearly enough series.

 

[DenchDeckard]

But isn't funny that you would only buy a XSX pro if it came out a year later and was more powerful than the PS5Pro? Like why would that be a condition? It wouldn't matter much if it was more powerful than a XSX but more powerful than a PS5 pro would just get your juices flowing?

Xbox One X barely made a dent in the market. I doubt MS goes that path again considering they aren't selling nearly enough series.

I don't give a shit what it sells personally, what I want from my xbox is like the one x.

I will get a ps5 Pro day one to play Sony exclusives and I would rather wait a year to get a considerably more powerful box to play my xbox games and third party's as I've always purchased my third party games on xbox as I have years and years of digital content that Microsoft simply does a better job with imo.

Fps boost etc.

That's just me. I'm not after Microsoft doing something to sell more consoles. I want them to deliver a great experience for me and that's what they've done for me....apart from first party games in the last 18 months. That needs to change this year.

 

[hyperbertha]

The series S, series X, series S model X, and the series X model X will all be available soon.

 

[DForce]

If they make an Xbox Series pro console.. my god. Devs now have to optimize for 3 consoles on Xbox.

I thought the Series S was a good idea before this gen start, but damn.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Nah the one x came a year later and any competent dev showed a clear upgrade over the pro version of games.

Competent dev is the problem. They have no incentive to be competent if they are not getting something from it.

I don't give a shit what it sells personally, what I want from my xbox is like the one x.

This I agree. A Xbox series X pro that really push the tech beyond what Sony will do would be interesting to me too. But it will be hard to do so when they go to the same AMD.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

i didn't see any rumors about an xbox PRO version but how will they achieve it with the Series S?

will they make an S pro with the performance of the X or just drop the S price to 150 or 99

i don't see them stop selling the S that in some countries sells more than the X

They dont have to, and in my belief wont make an XSX pro this time. The Series X is currently already 2TF’s more powerful than PS5. The series S is a cheaper option for people to join in on this gen.

 

[skit_data]

I can’t really see PS5 Pro dropping without some kind of answer from Xbox but at the same time it will start to become pretty ridiculous if they introduce another SKU that devs will have to optimize for.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Competent dev is the problem. They have no incentive to be competent if they are not getting something from it.

This I agree. A Xbox series X pro that really push the tech beyond what Sony will do would be interesting to me too. But it will be hard to do so when they go to the same AMD.

It shouldn't be hard to tweak some extra settings. Better ao. Better resolution. Framerate etc. That is what I expect.

A year or so could allow a complete step up in rdna and features with Better raytracing.

Xboxs play should always to have the clearly more powerful box imo.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

It shouldn't be hard to tweak some extra settings. Better ao. Better resolution. Framerate etc. That is what I expect.

A year or so could allow a complete step up in rdna and features with Better raytracing.

Xboxs play should always to have the clearly more powerful box imo.

I think that I read somewhere that Xbox GTA version on the Xbox one is not as good as the PS4 port. And so the One X has some of those inferior settings even if it is superior to the PS4 pro. This is the problem. If the console has not enough sales it will be ignored by the studios. 1 year can change things. But the PS5 Pro is already "1 year late" as the rumor is for a 2024 date. If we talk about a 2023 PS5 Pro and a 2024 Xbox Pro I would not be so vehemently against it from a business case.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

How they do it is not really up to them. But first, the name, will most likely just be series s2 and series x2.

Now naturally, there are two ways they do it, what is most unkey to happen, is the first way where they just make the tw more powerful SKUs, be completely transparent t devs. Meaning devs don't ready code for it at all, and instead code for the base S and X skus. And through some OS magic, the SKUs(2) bump up rez and framerate.

The second way, which will most likely not happen, is they give the devs two new SKUs to support. Meaning they have 4 active SKUs in total. At that point, chances are that by support, devs will either just do what I had described above anyways, or completely drop support for xbox. Well, not completely, but we will start to see a lot more `timed exclusives.

 

[RoboFu]

Huh? The pro consoles only ever played the same games with higher settings.

What’s hard to understand here? The XsS plays the same games at lower settings and the pro would play the same games at higher settings.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I think that I read somewhere that Xbox GTA version on the Xbox one is not as good as the PS4 port. And so the One X has some of those inferior settings even if it is superior to the PS4 pro. This is the problem. If the console has not enough sales it will be ignored by the studios. 1 year can change things. But the PS5 Pro is already "1 year late" as the rumor is for a 2024 date. If we talk about a 2023 PS5 Pro and a 2024 Xbox Pro I would not be so vehemently against it from a business case.

Maybe this happens maybe it doesn't. Not sure. I can deffo see it from some devs, sure. That could happen no matter what. Say they launch on the same day but the zbox is more powerful anyway, but not by much. They may still focus on the ps5 pro version.

Look at the current state of games. Series x games launch with strange issues then are patched and often end up being the best version of the game but it takes a while and comparisons are usually done on the launch version or one patch after so you don't get to see it unless you are on the console.

 

[01011001]

I keep saying it, because I truly believe that's the way to go:
Xbox Series S Portable

not a traditional pro model, but a handheld with a dock like the Switch.
In handheld mode it has the exact capabilites of the orginal Series S, in docked mode it's overclocked to run games smoother and reach higher dynamic resolutions.

that would mean no additional work would be required by devs to make it run on the Portable version... it's just a Series S that gets overclocked when docked.


-drop the price of the regular Series S, and slowly phase it out.
-introduce the Series S Portable, release at the same price and spec as the original Series S, 512GB, expansion slot etc.
-promise 2-3h battery life.
-dock has 1 front USB, 1 back USB, HDMI 2.1, Ethernet.
-when docked, clocks increase to 3.6ghz on the CPU and 1.8ghz on the GPU (4.6 TFLOPs)

 

[EdGalTBR]

- Get gid of the disc drives, Xbox only digtal.
- Xbox Series S - U$200,00.
- Xbox Series X - U$400,00.
- Xbox Series Ultra - U$600,00.

 

[SportsFan581]

I don't see how the XSS effects a potential Xbox Series Elite at all.

The base for the games will continue to be the XSX/PS5, the XSS just takes whatever cuts/compromises are needed to make things fit and the Elite model just pushes for higher fidelity and/or fps.

The only way the XSS would get sunset is if cost reductions on XSX made the XSS redundant (Maybe if a digital XSX is $400 they opt not to continue with the XSS if they can't get that model cost reduced in line with the XSX). The system would continue to be supported in software however. Maybe even bring the profile back to the front lines as an XSS portable (that's just for you Eddie).

 

[EverydayBeast]

Even if you release a new console you’re still worried about exclusives games a new console doesn’t pose a threat to Sony.

 

[LordCBH]

they could fix that just by dropping the price on both
S at 199 or 150
X at 399 or 350
Microsoft is a trillion $ company they can afford it

That also won’t get people to buy it unless they also start to release banger after banger at the same time.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Shouldn't be an issue since CPU-wise the Series S lines up with the PS5 for the most part.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Yes, S2 with power between the current S and X. And X2 of course. Probably at the same price points. Current X will be discontinued. They may or may not keep selling the current S.

Remains to be seen whether they create a more expensive tier. If the PS5 Pro is stronger than the X2 then they might.

 

[Beechos]

Series s will be discontinued, series x will replace series s and the pro will replace series x.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I keep saying it, because I truly believe that's the way to go:
Xbox Series S Portable

not a traditional pro model, but a handheld with a dock like the Switch.
In handheld mode it has the exact capabilites of the orginal Series S, in docked mode it's overclocked to run games smoother and reach higher dynamic resolutions.

that would mean no additional work would be required by devs to make it run on the Portable version... it's just a Series S that gets overclocked when docked.


-drop the price of the regular Series S, and slowly phase it out.
-introduce the Series S Portable, release at the same price and spec as the original Series S, 512GB, expansion slot etc.
-promise 2-3h battery life.
-dock has 1 front USB, 1 back USB, HDMI 2.1, Ethernet.
-when docked, clocks increase to 3.6ghz on the CPU and 1.8ghz on the GPU (4.6 TFLOPs)

That would be insane. I'd buy one.

 

[Three]

They'd be better off going the route of a handheld Series S rather than a Series X Pro.

Handheld One S I can see but no way they will be able to do a handheld Series S.

 

[StealthGoblin]

i didn't see any rumors about an xbox PRO version but how will they achieve it with the Series S?

will they make an S pro with the performance of the X or just drop the S price to 150 or 99

i don't see them stop selling the S that in some countries sells more than the X

Doesn’t it outsell the X in all countries?

 

[Kilau]

I would think they’d just make a new and more powerful system and call it “Z” or something. Not make a pro version for both X and S.

With MS they would call it the Xbox Series "Zie" or maybe both would be the Xbox Series They/Them

 

[Heisenberg007]

The question is more how can they not make a Series X pro version? If Sony does a PS5 Pro Xbox will have to follow, or loose some of that Hardcore/super enthousiast/whale money.

Meanwhile, Xbox be like:

 

[HTK]

If Microsoft doesn’t do an Series X Pro that might be a sign that they are done with console hardware and fully embrace being a publisher and keep working on GamePass expansion.

 

[FrankWza]

S pro

 

[diffusionx]

I don't think MS is planning to release systems in the "pro" and "successor" cadence the way Sony is. I think they will refresh the Series X/S line as needed but keep the name, maybe add a number, but the same way phones are updated. So if the next Xbox comes out, whether it is a "pro" console or a "successor" console it will be named Series S/X.

 

[ReBurn]

If Microsoft doesn’t do a Series X Pro that might be a sign that they are done with console hardware and fully embrace being a publisher and keep working on GamePass expansion.

Microsoft is still going to provide console hardware as a gateway to Game Pass subscriptions regardless of whether they release an upgraded console or not.

 

[Captain Toad]

I don't think we are getting Pro consoles this time. It's just not as marketable as last time with the rise of 4K popularity.

 

[onnextflix5]

They are loosing a huge amount of money on hardware, I really can’t see them releasing new hardware anytime soon, 2025 or 26 maybe.

 

[Crayon]

I'm not even sure they would follow Sony with a pro model. They are Ms so they could promise one and just not do it which could buy them a year or two.

 

[Fess]

Meanwhile, Xbox be like:

Aww that gif makes me sad, Philly-bunny needs a hug

I do think Xbox Series Pro is pointless though, that’s kinda what a PC is.
I think it’s as likely that they just end the generation and launch Xbox Series 2 in early 2025. That’s what Nintendo did when WiiU flopped, just over 4 years, snip

 

[Kappa]

I doubt there will be a pro this gen. Hardware is more than enough as it stands, optimized games on the other hand are in short supply..........

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

I thought MS made that clear already? No gens means no forced parity for any particular "old" SKU, like in f**k your series S, here's the NEW series S, that thing'll be officially supported for the next 2 years or so, everything older than that we don't care enjoy your games at 10fps.

 

[balls of snow]

They fucked up by already having 2 sku. A third would be absurd.

 

[Daneel Elijah]

Aww that gif makes me sad, Philly-bunny needs a hug

I do think Xbox Series Pro is pointless though, that’s kinda what a PC is.
I think it’s as likely that they just end the generation and launch Xbox Series 2 in early 2025. That’s what Nintendo did when WiiU flopped, just over 4 years, snip

This would be awesome! And risk to see Sony taking their time and making a killer PS6...
But yes going first to the next gen is one way for them to have a chance to be competitive. But parity hardware will be hardcore to get. Can they pay that much, and take so many risks like delays due of tech issues, Sony's response, of the market response if they took the wrong bets in making the hardware choices like they did with the One with DD3 instead of GDD5?

 

[cireza]

If Pro versions of the consoles get released now, with the ridiculous "next-gen" output we have got until now and hardware being hardly exploited, it will mean that current consoles are the biggest scam ever.

Start by using all this PS5 and Series power correctly FFS.

 

[Portugeezer]

I was thinking the X becomes the S, and the pro modem becomes the new X...

But the prices haven't dropped enough for that to happen.

 

[Fess]

This would be awesome! And risk to see Sony taking their time and making a killer PS6...
But yes going first to the next gen is one way for them to have a chance to be competitive. But parity hardware will be hardcore to get. Can they pay that much, and take so many risks like delays due of tech issues, Sony's response, of the market response if they took the wrong bets in making the hardware choices like they did with the One with DD3 instead of GDD5?

They don’t have to sync the generation with Sony. They’ve already tried being first (Xbox 360) and last (Original Xbox and Xbox One X) and simultaneous (Xbox Series X). There is nothing that says that syncing the hardware launches is the best strategy. As long as they have a great product and great software they can be successful with any timing I think.

 

[jroc74]

The Series X is the PRO ver of Series S.

Pretty much.

Some of us said this before these consoles launched.

 

[Ronin_7]

Microsoft probably isn't developing a Pro version lol

Sony will split Ps5 between PS5 (detachable Drive) and PS5 Pro (Also Detachable), only 2 Skus.

Microsoft strategy is already a mess between S & X, let alone a Y LMAO

JUST PURE Show... whoever make the S decision Big facepalm.

 

[AGRacing]

They dont have to, and in my belief wont make an XSX pro this time. The Series X is currently already 2TF’s more powerful than PS5. The series S is a cheaper option for people to join in on this gen.

6TF One X marketing to this day is one of Microsoft's greatest accomplishments in the space. Echos of it seem to reverberate forever! My 61 teraflop 7900 XTX hasn't produced 6 times the output of my PS5 ever. Raw compute isn't being always leveraged in a way that gives Microsoft the advantage in resolution or framerate comparisons.

2023 and countless game comparisons later... it can't be more clear it doesn't mean anywhere near as much as it did when we comparing 2 AMD Polaris based consoles in 2018.

In this generation some games just leverage compute in a way that gives Microsoft an advantage. And many more have not... or optimizations (for a console that is supposed to be the same hardware architecture?) have erased the advantage.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

They will steal Teslas naming strategy and make a model E to fit between the S and X and a Y to slot in above the pro.

Series S
Series E
Series X
Series Y

 

[Daneel Elijah]

They don’t have to sync the generation with Sony. They’ve already tried being first (Xbox 360) and last (Original Xbox and Xbox One X) and simultaneous (Xbox Series X). There is nothing that says that syncing the hardware launches is the best strategy. As long as they have a great product and great software they can be successful with any timing I think.

They do not have to. But timing is really important. The original Xbox suffered from being late. The 360 beneficied from being early. The One X was harmed by being late too. But in that case they had no choice to accomplish their objectives. Each generation the question is this: How and when go to the next gen? How can you leave a huge parc of consoles like the 150 millions PS2? or the 100+ millions of PS4, Wiis, Switch ? And yet they have to. As going late means losing consumers to the competition. The Megadrive and the 360 used that to their advantage. Xbox does not have to sync the generation with Sony. They have to sync the generation with the market. And if that market is mostly on Sony's PS5 going early means risking not being competitive with the PS6. Why making huge efforts to have a console early, make a lot of investments and find that people will play GTA 6 on the PS5 ? If Xbox had true killer apps like Pokemon or GTA, true blockbusters that would force people to go to next gen, maybe. But each gen the cross gen period is longer. This time we will have games like Resident Evil 4 remake, Hogwarts and the upcoming Armored Core 6 still on PS4. More than 3 years after the PS5 debut.

If Xbox can go early and still have parity on hardware, that would be great. But can you imagine them going with a Series S against the PS5? Just to gain one or two years? This is what could happen. This gen is just beginning. It was not the same era but the NES had very long legs and sold well for a long time. If the PS5 is really looking for a PS2 type of success, Xbox will have a hard time to convince people to change consoles. Of course I would love to be wrong, and Xbox to came with a good offer. Competition is good for gaming. But it would really surprise me. Remember that you have talked about a next gen Xbox in 2025. Them being a little early is doable. But what would happen of their Series S and X? Making a Pro and calling it a new gen would not really work. And abandoning the Series would be the same kind of mystake that Sega did with the Mega CD and the Saturn.

 

[Bernoulli]

Pretty much.

Some of us said this before these consoles launched.

so they the Pro of the Pro

 

[DrFigs]

they should make a steamdeck type device. put windows OS and xbox store by default.

 

[01011001]

They will steal Teslas naming strategy and make a model E to fit between the S and X and a Y to slot in above the pro.

Series S
Series E
Series X
Series Y

while that would be funny, it would be too confusing

they will just number them.
but I think the pro models will maybe have a + or something.

they will emulate phone names.

so Xbox Series X+, Xbox Series S+
and then eventually Xbox Series X2 and Xbox Series S2

 

[Clintizzle]

Xbox Series S will start to focus on streaming.