Lunnarre
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Guys remember who you're arguing with...
https://imgur.io/t/politics/9QPTjYG
https://imgur.io/t/politics/9QPTjYG
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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Heisenberg007
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If you believe that he twisted his words to get out of that situation (which is 100% the right thing to question; kudos to you for acknowledging it
), he also carefully chose his words when taking the oath on ABK games.He said, "That's my goal, yes."
Can goals change? Yes.
If somebody else replaces Phil, can his goals be different? Yes.
There is still a lot of ways they can twist and get out of this binding without facing any repercussions.
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Dick Jones
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I didn't realise that dope was Silent Viper. Makes a tonne of sense.
Ar¢tos
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FIFA is huge is Portugal, and it definitely sells consoles, but COD is bigger and with the EA license drama, COD will grow even more. Some kids (like my 2 dumb nephews) live for COD, FIFA and Fortnite.
Bernardougf
Member
If you believe that he twisted his words to get out of that situation (which is 100% the right thing to question; kudos to you for acknowledging it
He said, "That's my goal, yes."
Can goals change? Yes.
If somebody else replaces Phil, can his goals be different? Yes.
There is still a lot of ways they can twist and get out of this binding without facing any repercussions.
And soon after this question the FTC asked him to bind his words to the company and he just stayed silent.
Phils commitment to COD and PS in the long term continues to be just PR and no substance
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Bernardougf
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Oooof .. thanks ... no point in continuing
LordCBH
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LMAO what an unhinged lunatic
drganon
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roosnam1980
Member
what is this i dont even.........
Lunnarre
Member
Yeah and sorry for the link couldn't figure out how to get the image to imbed. I'm generally a perpetual lurker in forums so not very savvy.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I predicted this kind of responses weeks ago lol, some y'all are really charlie day mainfested.
*Phil retires*
*CoD's still continue to come to PS consoles
*but he didn't say anything about after he dies*
Are you talking about when the lawyer tried to push him to committing cloud parity and the judge shut that line of questioning down ?
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Drell
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Why am I not surprised? You think you're overthinking when you judge these MS workshippers but then you're proved right...
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thismeinteil
Member
And those replies are right. That's why he purposely worded it that way, instead of giving a simple yes. It covers his ass since he was in court.
We already know that goals change. I mean all the Xbox shills were bragging about exclusive COD for Xbox, talk which MS didn't try to quell, when the deal was announced. Then when the regulatory agencies came calling, the narrative changed to that wasn't the goal ever and Xbox wouldn't dream of taking games away from PS gamers...honest. Oh, and ignore the many examples where that is what they are doing and recently revealed emails that say otherwise.
If Xbox wasn't so incompetent they would have been smart enough to not brag about the many acquisitions they wanted to do after this one and also get the narrative straight for their shills before they announced the deal.
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Pelta88
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I put
Silent Viper
on mute with the quickness!
Silent Viper
on mute with the quickness!
intheinbetween
Member
So when is the decision for the PI supposed to be announced?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Microsoft CEO, and Phil's Boss, also gave a 100% commitment to the judge under oath.
Feb '09 2022. Call of Duty will continue releasing on playstation
CMA finds Microsoft wouldn't pull 'Call Of Duty' from PlayStation
EU: Microsoft will not stop sales of Call of Duty on playstation
That's impressive to have so many inaccuracies distilled in a single post
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
This week or next.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think they still have time till this friday to submit documents and findings, so probably next week at the earliest, if at all.
In all Honesty tho, last week I thought only Phil Spencer made that oath (on PS5 only) regardless of MS which made skeptical about it, but now that the CEO himself made the oath and were clear about it (and made it very clear as in *Playstation Platforms* as in long term ones beyond the PS5 as well), then i think im ok with the deal going through
Personally as someone who grew up on PS (and would continue to do so) I don't care about GP or whatever marketing stuff that empowers a plastic box's sales, my only issue with the deal was the possibility of CoD skipping PS, whether next year or by 10, or worst have a bad deal like all MTX going through MS instead of a 30% cut like it was rumored, but now with Sony not signing that deal + MS making an oath about it (i sincerely hope that Bloomberg Article is true), then it's safe to Say sony's got what they wanted
A longterm+ CoD releases on PS + not having to Worry about missing their cut due to a bad deal sign (im looking at you MLB)
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What happens if there's an earth quake in Seattle and all the legal binding documents get swallowed up by a fissure, that's gonna mean free for all on patents, licenses and such
Even Phil clarified the "PS5 and beyond" comment in one of the next questions in the same hearing.
Even Phil clarified the "PS5 and beyond" comment in one of the next questions in the same hearing.
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You do realize Insomniac:
Just made Sunset Overdrive, an XBO exclusive.
Were still 3rd party after making Spider-Man.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
For you, no. For many others, yes, unfortunately, COD is a system seller.
It was revealed via leaked documents, that 1 million PlayStation players in the United States alone only plays Call of Duty, and literally 0 other game. For them, COD is a system seller.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
These oaths are still just promises.
These are the same people who were "frustrated" and were "trying to find ways" out of a legally binding contract to make Minecraft Dungeons exclusive. So I'd not trust them even if they were bound by a legal contract, let alone verbal promises.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Put it in a contract. And then we can talk.Microsoft CEO, and Phil's Boss, also gave a 100% commitment to the judge under oath.
Feb '09 2022. Call of Duty will continue releasing on playstation
CMA finds Microsoft wouldn't pull 'Call Of Duty' from PlayStation
EU: Microsoft will not stop sales of Call of Duty on playstation
That's impressive to have so many inaccuracies distilled in a single post
Phil spencer has a history of lying. The man's word means nothing. Write up a contract saying CoD will be on PS in perpetuity and this wont be an issue. But thats not why he bought Activision which is why he wont do it. He bought it to kill Playstation and he cant kill playstation by giving them CoD every year.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm sure that'll come when the acquisition is complete, they can't do anything but agreements until then obviously.
Right, I know a portion of GAF has irrational hate for Phil, that's why I linked the Satya article as well lol.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
What? It didnt stop them from signing contracts with Nintendo and nvidia and everyone else running a cloud service.
And nothing about the Phil Spencer hate is irrational.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's not a contract, it's an agreement. An agreement that needs both parties.
Jim is in no hurry to make any agreements with Phil. We've established that already.
While true that it's not a binding contract, having the head of a 3 trillion dollar company lying under oath in court (not a misleading/miswording, a straight up lie) would be a repudiational nightmare for any MS dealing with courts in the future (especially in M&A)These oaths are still just promises.
These are the same people who were "frustrated" and were "trying to find ways" out of a legally binding contract to make Minecraft Dungeons exclusive. So I'd not trust them even if they were bound by a legal contract, let alone verbal promises.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
They won't have to "lie" or "break" an agreement. They only have to find a way, a loophole, to circumvent it. That's what Phil was asking his team to find in the Minecraft Dungeons contract. They released the game on all platforms because they couldn't find it.
But if Phil is heading the contract, I'm sure he will plant a couple of backdoors.
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FrankWza
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100%
I think he wants to pull CoD using a loophole down the road to rub their nose in it by removing it so he can get kudos for his strategy. Hes had his lunch eaten by PlayStation since he's been there. He wants to finally outmaneuver them on something.
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Heisenberg007
I was typing this and had to do something and saw your post after. Spot on
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Nydius
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I know some people want to see a decision today and, while it's possible, I just want to remind people not to get their hopes up. US courts work at the speed of glacier and similar hearings of this type sometimes take weeks or months for a resolution. Something Judge Corley herself joked about at the start, knowing of the deadlines in the case.
The last filing deadline was Monday at noon, yesterday was a holiday, and the judge has cases on her docket all week. I wouldn't begin expecting a decision until Friday at the earliest and, even then, that would be quite quick compared to average decision time.
Anyway, you may resume your normal bickering.
The last filing deadline was Monday at noon, yesterday was a holiday, and the judge has cases on her docket all week. I wouldn't begin expecting a decision until Friday at the earliest and, even then, that would be quite quick compared to average decision time.
Anyway, you may resume your normal bickering.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I know some people want to see a decision today and, while it's possible, I just want to remind people not to get their hopes up. US courts work at the speed of glacier and similar hearings of this type sometimes take weeks or months for a resolution. Something Judge Corley herself joked about at the start, knowing of the deadlines in the case.
The last filing deadline was Monday at noon, yesterday was a holiday, and the judge has cases on her docket all week. I wouldn't begin expecting a decision until Friday at the earliest and, even then, that would be quite quick compared to average decision time.
Anyway, you may resume your normal bickering.
Considering they all still have till Friday to submit stuff, I don't think anyone should expect a decision this week.
Bernardougf
Member
Nop.. that was in another part of the questioning .. in this one he was talking about COD exclusivity and other games from ABK like diablo ... in this one the judge didnt interrupted him .. the FTC lawyer thar said after phils remained silence "the point has been made"
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Why do people find this meaningful. How could anyone working at a public company who is not CEO & chairman of the board make a binding statement about a company? Why would anyone see this as something shady? Think people would you agree to something serious without your boss's OK? Of course not so stop citing this as anything other than chain of command.
Bernardougf
Member
Oh I agree with you is not shady.. is normal .. the problem is that some xbox fans are clinging to his deposition as the last hope of maintaining their argument that COD will remain in playstation systens forever and what he said is contractual binding
Thirty7ven
Banned
His words mean nothing, they are not a contract they are just stated intentions, and intentions are fluid yknowAmsayin? The result depends on a lot of factors.
He was already leaning hard on the whole "if Sony let us" and the implication there is, when it comes to new hardware Sony better share the secrets with us before hand otherwise they don't get Call of Duty.
The low IQ crowd will jump in and say "these gpus are all basically the same", but between new feature set in the API, new features in the controller, and innovations elsewhere like the whole I/O complex on PS5, would get exposed to a party that is a main competitor and is known to leak bad.
He was already leaning hard on the whole "if Sony let us" and the implication there is, when it comes to new hardware Sony better share the secrets with us before hand otherwise they don't get Call of Duty.
The low IQ crowd will jump in and say "these gpus are all basically the same", but between new feature set in the API, new features in the controller, and innovations elsewhere like the whole I/O complex on PS5, would get exposed to a party that is a main competitor and is known to leak bad.
StealthGoblin
Banned
It's gonna be interesting as there'll be a large exodus of staff. So far as we know, have Microsoft reserved a lot of cash for retaining the staff like Sony did with Bungie?
1/3 of the Bungie price was retaining funds.
COD is very dependent on having a lot of personnel.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Didn't 70% of Arkane left after the acquisition?
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
That explains many things.
Topher
Identifies as young
No, 70% of devs who worked on Prey are no longer with the studio.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
What happens in 10 years time if/when MS stops selling Activision games individually and the only way to play them is via Gamepass?
That future is far more likely to happen if this deal goes through. Then what options do you have?
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Raven77
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FTC hearing was another in a long line of wins for MS. They've got the U.S. side of this locked up.
Next, they tackle the CMA, Rogan style:
MS next move - use political and legal clout gained through FTC impending win to sway the CMA. CMA will resist but eventually call for a redo to their decision with something like "In revisiting or decision we were too hasty. MS has taken great strides to correct all of our inertial concerns. MS please proceed with our blessing."
Next, they tackle the CMA, Rogan style:
MS next move - use political and legal clout gained through FTC impending win to sway the CMA. CMA will resist but eventually call for a redo to their decision with something like "In revisiting or decision we were too hasty. MS has taken great strides to correct all of our inertial concerns. MS please proceed with our blessing."
Varteras
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FTC hearing was another in a long line of wins for MS. They've got the U.S. side of this locked up.
Next, they tackle the CMA, Rogan style:
MS next move - use political and legal clout gained through FTC impending win to sway the CMA. CMA will resist but eventually call for a redo to their decision with something like "In revisiting or decision we were too hasty. MS has taken great strides to correct all of our inertial concerns. MS please proceed with our blessing."
Cringe.
93xfan
Banned
Sure. Let's pretend that's a real person being genuine. Who's ever met someone like that and what does it add or take away to the conversation.
During the trial, was the FTCs key witness a trump supporting hillbilly? Would that have made a difference in the case?
Varteras
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Is that your alt account?
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