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[jshaver488]

It's like half the users posting here never even watched the trial lol. The FTC did not make a good case

 

[mayham2199]

1) It is true.
2) The problem is that it's not just this judge. The entire system is corrupt and follows money (and, therefore, large corporations). So the appeal will also be likely denied.

That doesn't change the fact, however, that the judge did write the incorrect law and based her decision on that.

I agree but I have no hope in FTC getting anything done. If anyone is going to stop\undue this merger it's the CMA IMO of course.

 

[Gravemind]

Judge said the FTC didn't prove Microsoft will foreclose Playstation out of Activision content.
Law says the FTC doesn't need to prove Microsoft will foreclose and harm competition, it says FTC needs to prove Microsoft may foreclose and harm competition.


It's common sense, really. You can't prove something that will happen in the future, that would be silly.

She did say "may" in the conclusion of her final verdict.

"For the reasons explained, the court finds the FTC has not shown a likelihood it will prevail on its claim this particular merger in this specific industry may substantially lessen competion."

 

[graywolf323]

It's like half the users posting here never even watched the trial lol. The FTC did not make a good case

DeepEnigma we seem to have a new narrative, there's been a bunch of users popping up with "The FTC didn't make a good case!" today

despite the fact based on the law the judge said they did make their case, she just then applied a higher standard in order to ignore all of that

 

[DeepEnigma]

Damn, the journalists are back at it. Look at this disingenuous and factually incorrect reporting.

The title says "Stock Exchange" (which is incorrect). The subheading says "Stock index" (which is correct). And the Windows Central stupid writer thinks they are both the same.

Xbox deal could be closing soon, Activision Blizzard to leave Stock Exchange

The Call of Duty and Candy Crush publisher is expected to leave the NASDAQ-100 stock index on July 17.

www.windowscentral.com

You expect gaming "journalists" to actually know or do any actual research?

They are the lowest of the totem pole when it comes to applied skill. The vast majority just serve as scripted PR and marketing extensions of the gaming industry.

 

[KingT731]

lol seriously? it basically boils down to "why are you being so mean to the massive corporations that give me campaign contributions?"

Every time she's in front of congress it's the same spiel

 

[Barlow]

 

[Sanepar]

I'm 100% deal done Monday, only thing I regret is not getting at least $1000 in ABK stock options last week since I knew there was a good chance of going through

 

[adamsapple]

She did say "may" in the conclusion of her final verdict.

"For the reasons explained, the court finds the FTC has not shown a likelihood it will prevail on its claim this particular merger in this specific industry may substantially lessen competion."

So there goes the biggest argument in favor of the appeal.

Wonder if the 9th dist. will even entertain this, today and tomorrow will be interesting.

DeepEnigma we seem to have a new narrative, there's been a bunch of users popping up with "The FTC didn't make a good case!" today

despite the fact based on the law the judge said they did make their case, she just then applied a higher standard in order to ignore all of that

Today ? my man many people on this forum, even some who are against the acquisition, said the FTC didn't make a good case while the hearings were still going on, lol.

 

[jshaver488]

DeepEnigma we seem to have a new narrative, there's been a bunch of users popping up with "The FTC didn't make a good case!" today

despite the fact based on the law the judge said they did make their case, she just then applied a higher standard in order to ignore all of that

They did not make a good case. FTC were unable to show how it would cause serious harm. Because it won't.

 

[graywolf323]

I thought ABK was forbidden from making agreements like that while the merger was in transition? what's Microsoft's point here?

 

[mayham2199]

I'm 100% deal done Monday, only thing I regret is not getting at least $1000 in ABK stock options last week since I knew there was a good chance of going through

Agreed. Just waiting to see what's going to happen with the CMA.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I thought ABK was forbidden from making agreements like that while the merger was in transition? what's Microsoft's point here?

Clearly they were in cahoots. Had Jim Ryan agreed, they'd have brought up that they can't legally extend the contract now but promise to offer it as soon as the deal is closed.

They'd have then asked Ryan to withdraw his objections to the deal so it can be approved, and so that we (MS/ABK) can offer you the extended marketing agreement.

MS, being the owner of COD, would never offer the marketing agreement to Sony, however. That is just common sense. It was likely all a lie.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Idas cut out a crucial part of that article:

"The CMA needs to tread a very careful line here between seeming reasonable and seeming weak," said Tom Smith, a former CMA lawyer now at Geradin Partners. However, he said the CMA had "no choice but to consider a new deal that is put to it".

CMA has cold feet and is buckling under pressure.

Another narrative™ down. Are we still on about taxes™?

Or do pounds sterling the peasants not count?

 

[supernova8]

Imagine ending a 6 year hiatus just to come back squawking like an inpatient at a mental facility.

Yeah really bizarre, Jumeira wasn't interested in interactions on GAF from December 2017 onward and then suddenly reappeared back and only wants to post in this merger thread.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Judge said the FTC didn't prove Microsoft will foreclose Playstation out of Activision content.
Law says the FTC doesn't need to prove Microsoft will foreclose and harm competition, it says FTC needs to prove Microsoft may foreclose and harm competition.


It's common sense, really. You can't prove something that will happen in the future, that would be silly.

Judge made a mockery of the whole process and the standard of the law. Basically in her view the FTC had to prove it would win the case, so in essence they would have to win the case twice? That's not what the law says.

That she went out there in her final ruling saying a smartphone, a switch, a PlayStation 5 and a PC are all the same. She also said in court that everybody has a gaming PC because of Covid.

 

[FrankWza]

DeepEnigma we seem to have a new narrative, there's been a bunch of users popping up with "The FTC didn't make a good case!" today

despite the fact based on the law the judge said they did make their case, she just then applied a higher standard in order to ignore all of that

Saw taxpayers $ wasted in the comments on two sites that had an article about this. More than once

 

[Thirty7ven]

Saw taxpayers $ wasted in the comments on two sites that had an article about this. More than once

We are not ready for advanced A.I. people will be singing corpo script without knowing.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Saw taxpayers $ wasted in the comments on two sites that had an article about this. More than once

ABK itself has been avoiding taxes. They didn't pay any tax in 2018, yet they are suddenly now concerned about the tax money of US citizens

Source.

 

[Gudji]

I'm not american but this taxpayer money should move this shit faster, just saying.

 

[DeepEnigma]

ABK itself has been avoiding taxes. They didn't pay any tax in 2018, yet they are suddenly now concerned about the tax money of US citizens

Source.

Bobby K and Mike Ybarra could not be reached for comment about them taxes™ tho

 

[supernova8]

Imagine ending a 6 year hiatus just to come back squawking like an inpatient at a mental facility.

Another suspect one is... (drum roll) Ginzeen

Account created in June and has posted exclusively in this thread. Almost as if they made the account for the sole purpose of spamming in this thread.

(There are more but I cannot be bothered, it's too obvious anyway)

edit: just to be crystal clear I'm not calling/advocating for anyone to get banned.

 

[Gravemind]

So there goes the biggest argument in favor of the appeal.

Wonder if the 9th dist. will even entertain this, today and tomorrow will be interesting.




Today ? my man many people on this forum, even some who are against the acquisition, said the FTC didn't make a good case while the hearings were still going on, lol.

If their argument is that the judge set a higher standard of proof than what the law outlines by using the words "will" in certain instances, then it's a weak argument as the judges verdict shows the standard pretty blantly.

With that said, we don't know for sure what the basis of FTC's appeal actually is. It could be based on something else entirely.

 

[ChiefDada]

She did say "may" in the conclusion of her final verdict.

"For the reasons explained, the court finds the FTC has not shown a likelihood it will prevail on its claim THAT THERE IS A REASONABLE PROBABILITY this particular merger in this specific industry may substantially lessen competion."

Lol, she's still misquoting the law. Why don't you take a sec to really understand where the contention is. I inserted the bolded within your original quote so you can better understand why the correct legal citation words result in a lower burden of proof for the FTC.

 

[Barlow]

I thought ABK was forbidden from making agreements like that while the merger was in transition? what's Microsoft's point here?

Guess that was the "Ryan doesn't answer the phone" story from Kotick months ago.

 

[adamsapple]

If their argument is that the judge set a higher standard of proof than what the law outlines by using the words "will" in certain instances, then it's a weak argument as the judges verdict shows the standard pretty blantly.

With that said, we don't know for sure what the basis of FTC's appeal actually is. It could be based on something else entirely.

It very well could be, but that wording kerfuffle is the biggest thing I've seen most posters here focus on, and I don't even want to refer twitter because that's a cesspool in itself.

Bobby K and Mike Ybarra could not be reached for comment about them taxes™ tho

They were last spotted carrying a manila folder titled 'Panama papers'

 

[graywolf323]

Another suspect one is... (drum roll) Ginzeen

Account created in June and has posted exclusively in this thread. Almost as if they made the account for the sole purpose of spamming in this thread.

(There are more but I cannot be bothered, it's too obvious anyway)

yep but don't worry there's not a narrative being pushed

all you have to do is look at the ban page and see all the accounts banned this week to know that's BS

edit: and there's all the ones that seem to be on reaction duty, that or johnjohn is just really crying it out for all of us that are opposed to the deal while only have posted twice this month

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm 100% deal done Monday, only thing I regret is not getting at least $1000 in ABK stock options last week since I knew there was a good chance of going through

There was an article days ago on yahoo finance where some guy bought $200,000 worth of call options at like $1.20 and then the ruling came out and his contracts jumped to about $4.00. Instantly turned into $600,000 or so. Lol

 

[GHG]

Yeah really bizarre, Jumeira wasn't interested in interactions on GAF from December 2017 onward and then suddenly reappeared back and only wants to post in this merger thread.

 

[IntentionalPun]

She did say "may" in the conclusion of her final verdict.

"For the reasons explained, the court finds the FTC has not shown a likelihood it will prevail on its claim this particular merger in this specific industry may substantially lessen competion."

She never said "they will" either. Now people are equating "it will" to "Reasonable probability that it will" (what was actually said.)

However it will be pointed out the ruling the precedent is based on said "might" not "may" (of course, total synonyms, but for some reason people don't understand that here.)

The whole thing is stupid, I truly can't believe that people don't understand that the "Reasonable probability" part of the sentence is the only thing that matters.

If any of my employees kept promising a "Reasonable probability" of something and didn't complete it ever, and said:

"Well boss, you see what I said was Reasonable probability that it MIGHT happen not that a reasonable probability it WILL" as an excuse I'd fire their ass.

I truly do wonder if I'm talking to people who have English as a first language here sometimes. Don't mean any offense to that, other than it's pretty damn confusing why people can't get this lol

 

[TheDreadLord]

So now gaf merger experts are discussing semantics? What will be the next narrative?

 

[GHG]

So now gaf merger experts are discussing semantics? What will be the next narrative?

This one:

#NotMyTaxPayerDollars

 

[Punished Miku]

Another suspect one is... (drum roll) Ginzeen

Account created in June and has posted exclusively in this thread. Almost as if they made the account for the sole purpose of spamming in this thread.

(There are more but I cannot be bothered, it's too obvious anyway)

I guess we have two trials in this thread today. Hope you can make a better argument than the FTC.

 

[Banjo64]

I guess we have two trials in this thread today. Hope you can make a better argument than the FTC.

Your honour - he's either being paid for his views or he was dropped on his head as a baby.

Guilty!

 

[supernova8]

I guess we have two trials in this thread today. Hope you can make a better argument than the FTC.

Get back in your (x)box

 

[sendit]

I'm 100% deal done Monday, only thing I regret is not getting at least $1000 in ABK stock options last week since I knew there was a good chance of going through

ABK was sitting at ~84 last week, its now at ~90 dollars. $1000 investment in this stock is not going to build you wealth.

 

[FrankWza]

We are not ready for advanced A.I. people will be singing corpo script without knowing.

ABK itself has been avoiding taxes. They didn't pay any tax in 2018, yet they are suddenly now concerned about the tax money of US citizens

Source.

DeepEnigma

Breaking: The FTC Appeals Decision in Recent Trial Against Xbox - IGN

The FTC has decided to file an appeal, challenging the recent verdict from the United States District Court for the Northern District of California on Xbox's planned merger with Activision Blizzard.

www.ign.com

From comments:

Why not? It's only more of a waste of our tax payer money. It all grows on trees anyway, so have at it. Ridiculous.

That said, if they keep wasting tax $ for lawsuits they have 0 chance in winning, pretty sure that's not going to win public approval.

By the time anyone even reviews the request to decide if it's worth tax payer money proceeding forward, it'll be too late.

That itself says a appeal is just a waste of tax payers money that will go no where. The FTC completely failed to demonstrate in any way how this could be harmful to consumers or competition.

 

[Corrik]

If they are appealing on "will probably" and not "may", they are dead in the water.

The Ninth Circuit, which is where their appeal goes, solely uses "will probably" in relation to the Clayton Act. She is following the correct verbiage for the Ninth Circuit.

Waste of time even arguing this.

 

[ChiefDada]

So now gaf merger experts are discussing semantics? What will be the next narrative?

Questioning the importance of "semantics" (it's actually far beyond) within the context of a legal proceeding. Real NeoGAF shit.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

ABK was sitting at ~84 last week, its now at ~90 dollars. $1000 investment in this stock is not going to build you wealth.

It would be enough gains to buy Diablo 4 though, maybe, if you ignore transaction fees and taxes

 

[DeepEnigma]

They were last spotted carrying a manila folder titled 'Panama papers'

My man! I like the way you think.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Where are people actually getting the "Reasonable probability that it will" vs. "Reasonable probability that it might" aspect from anyways?

Is this from TV talking heads? Forum / Twitter lawyers?

 

[Punished Miku]

Get back in your (x)box

I have expert testimony that shows that this literally doesn't even make sense your honor.

 

[Kilau]

I have expert testimony that shows that this literally doesn't even make sense your honor.

 

[adamsapple]

Am I the only one who thinks this looks like a black Kaz Hirai lol

 

[supernova8]

I have expert testimony that shows that this literally doesn't even make sense your honor.

your expert is welcome to

Seriously though there's nothing wrong with pointing out how weird it is we suddenly have an army of pro-Xbox self-styled M&A/stock market gurus all coming out of the wodworks around the same time.

The astroturfing is so intense I feel like booting up my old copy of FIFA.

 

[DeepEnigma]

DeepEnigma

Breaking: The FTC Appeals Decision in Recent Trial Against Xbox - IGN

The FTC has decided to file an appeal, challenging the recent verdict from the United States District Court for the Northern District of California on Xbox's planned merger with Activision Blizzard.

www.ign.com

From comments:

You expect gaming "journalists" to actually know or do any actual research?

They are the lowest of the totem pole when it comes to applied skill. The vast majority just serve as scripted PR and marketing extensions of the gaming industry.

ABK itself has been avoiding taxes. They didn't pay any tax in 2018, yet they are suddenly now concerned about the tax money of US citizens

Source.

PR pushing games media,

 

[Pelta88]

Yeah really bizarre, Jumeira wasn't interested in interactions on GAF from December 2017 onward and then suddenly reappeared back and only wants to post in this merger thread.

Say it with me...

 

[Gravemind]

Lol, she's still misquoting the law. Why don't you take a sec to really understand where the contention is. I inserted the bolded within your original quote so you can better understand why the correct legal citation words result in a lower burden of proof for the FTC.

What exactly is the contention then because the poster I quoted said "Law says the FTC doesn't need to prove Microsoft will foreclose and harm competition, it says FTC needs to prove Microsoft may foreclose and harm competition." When the judge very clearly said "may" and not "will" in her conclusion.

Are you insinuating that the words reasonable probability is what is contentious? Don't see why considering everything in court relating to future actions is based on "reasonable probability". You cannot say for certain what will happen, only prove what is most reasonably possible based on evidence, because it hasn't happened yet.

Edit: I see where the contention is after reading it over. "Reasonable probability it may" vs "reasonable probability it will".

 

[Topher]

So now gaf merger experts are discussing semantics? What will be the next narrative?

Eh.....legal experts are discussing semantics. GAF are discussing what legal experts are saying about semantics.

You tracking now?