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I call that sus.

Sony makes MLB the show for Xbox. Nothing stops them from getting the new Xbox console info.

I think this is just theatrical performance, nothing more than that.
Realistically it's not. They said they wouldn't consult with them in the planning phases...See: Mark Cerny going around speaking with their partners about what they wanted in the console/discussing technical specs etc...I really don't know how this is such a hard concept to grasp for some people. It isn't the same as giving a developer the finalized dev kit.
 
I kinda wonder if this Activision deal is going to have the opposite effect Xbox wants. I mean everyone knows that Bethesda games like Fallout and Elder Scrolls will be only on Xbox and PC, and we all know a fews years after the Activision deal is closed, the same will happen to COD. However, if you look at sales, the PS5 is outselling the Series 2:1, more in some regions. I don't think gamers want a gaming monopoly. Well, except those "FTC is wastin mah taxes" gamers.
 
Lotta folks are tired of COD too though, me included. I would go back and play the old Zombies but the novelty would wear off quickly I believe. I loved Transit. Just really good times from back in the day. I would probably play through the campaigns for those more futuristic CODs as well.

My brother probably said it best. "I can't even call myself a CoD fan anymore. I'm more like a CoD drone. Just doing the same motions every year without thinking. Not actually excited about it. It's just what I've been programmed for at this point and I need something to knock me out of it".
 
The last pages of this thread tried to paint Jim Ryan as an idiot who might regret not coming to the table with Bobby Kotik and sign a supposed deal that can guarantee marketing benefits beyond 2024.

This doesn't make sense because for the longest time some people put on secenarios where Sony and ABK can make deals for years and years before this merger closes and the legal heads said they can't do that.

And from my memory the deal that Bobby wanted Jim to do with him was a "back up plan" so I did a quick research and yep just as I remembered:



In private, Ryan allegedly told Kotick:"I don't want a new Call of Duty deal. I just want to block your merger." Now in today's recent evidentiary hearing in the FTC v Microsoft federal case, Ryan clarifies on what led up to that eye-opening statement.

It turns out that the Activision CEO wanted to stay behind and talk to Ryan about a potential Call of Duty deal. Ryan says this didn't concern the Call of Duty deal (the 10-year Call of Duty licensing deal that Microsoft had offered to Sony). Ryan believes Kotick wanted to make a side deal with PlayStation and negotiate a new Publisher Licensing Agreement (PLA) as a backup plan just in case the Microsoft merger fell apart.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/9211...duty-cover-himself-if-merger-fails/index.html

Q Did Kotick say he would stay afterwards to talk about negotiating a deal?

He said he was interested in doing a deal. I told him that i thought the transaction was anti-competitive and that i hoped the regulators would block it. My comment was specifically in the context.

I think Kotick wanted to cover himself in negotiating a deal with PlayStation in the event the deal does not go through.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/9211...duty-cover-himself-if-merger-fails/index.html

This is very different from what some people wanted to spread.


Anyway, honestly, even if the deal was not a back up plan one, just like some posters here said. Why should Sony put more money and effort to grow an IP that sooner or later will go back to their main competitor?
 
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I mean, ya'll have been having a meltdown during this whole ordeal and have been holding on tight for it to be approved ;)

But seriously, can we all move past this childish antic?

People can have a range of opinions on events that happen in gaming. You want this to happen. He clearly doesn't. Does it really bother you that he isn't OK with it?
I would also prefer this didn't happen, and I have both consoles. I don't see the advantage in one company brute-forcing their way to the top by buying big publishers. I am also not blind to the fact that, even if I don't see it right now, this could end up being a good thing later on.

Everything is not black or white. The carrot MS is dangling in front of us (e.g., games on Game Pass) might seem good right now, but there is no guarantee that it will be for the long term. We just don't know. So, there is no need to engrave your opinion in stone and try to be a little flexible, more open minded.
Yes, habitual fence sitter and self-proclaimed professional gaming whore here. I like Xbox, I like Playstation, I like Nintendo, I like PC. Ultimately I go where the games are as much as it would make sense for my particular situation. PC makes the most sense at this time.

On the deal, I would say on a scale from 1 to 5, 1 being "Strongly Against" and 5 being "Strongly for" the acquisition...I'm at like a 2.5? So I don't really like the deal for some reasons, but I'm not vehemently against it and I'm not gonna cry myself to sleep if it happens.

I have an XSX, PC and Switch now that I play. I stalk news on a potential PS5 Pro. I've double dipped on almost every PS4 era exclusive they've released on Steam, and some PS5 stuff like Returnal.

I just love games. and I feel like each console manufacturer brings particular strengths that make my experience better. So I am pro competition. Xbox was flailing, so in a way this deal makes them more competitive, but at the same time, I worry because they can't manage their way out of a wet paper bag.

That could change but my confidence isn't there for Xbox right now and I hope they don't fuck this up. If this is the new landscape we live in, I hope Sony responds with strengths of its own. Because I'm selfish and this just means more games for MEEEE....MEEEEE....MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.....muhuhahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaa.
 


Obviously. Who pays their opposition to help them grow their brand?

The obvious move is to let the franchise bleed out and spend the money previously ear-marked on other things.

The reality of the situation is that the sort of gamer who basically only plays CoD isn't worth that much to Sony because they make money off everything on their platform and not just take a share of the spend on that particular property.

Objectively its improbable that MS will get a 1:1 conversion rate from former Playstation players. They'll get some, but not all, and that differential per user is going to impact Activision's bottom line way more than it will Sony's.

This is really important in the long term because even if these acquisitions are vertically integrated they still need to justify their annual budgets. If their revenue falls, they will need to make do with less. Not to mention I imagine some portion of their operating profit will need to be kicked back upstairs to service the billions in buy-in cost.

This is why Pete Hines made his comments about the treatment of Bethesda versus Activision. Being bought out doesn't mean he no longer needs to compete.
 



Old CoD games are about to get a second life and they're already having sales on the DLC packs for them. They're gonna make bank on 2 generation old games.

I played a few games of Modern Warfare 2 yesterday evening out of curiosity and was surprised with the lack of hackers and quick connections to games. Glad to see them fixing these issues.
 
I mean, ya'll have been having a meltdown during this whole ordeal and have been holding on tight for it to be approved ;)

But seriously, can we all move past this childish antic?

People can have a range of opinions on events that happen in gaming. You want this to happen. He clearly doesn't. Does it really bother you that he isn't OK with it?
I would also prefer this didn't happen, and I have both consoles. I don't see the advantage in one company brute-forcing their way to the top by buying big publishers. I am also not blind to the fact that, even if I don't see it right now, this could end up being a good thing later on.

Everything is not black or white. The carrot MS is dangling in front of us (e.g., games on Game Pass) might seem good right now, but there is no guarantee that it will be for the long term. We just don't know. So, there is no need to engrave your opinion in stone and try to be a little flexible, more open minded.
No reason to not do this to the "Xbox should be destroyed" crowd.

And I took minutes out of my day to select the appropriate person to respond to. While I was happy to do it, a little gratitude wouldn't kill you guys.

:p
 
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Im convinced these neo members and some regulars are bots at this point, do you all say the same thing? can you not think for yourself?

It's like you copy paste it off twitter and put it everywhere

Boblob is most likely BobLobLaw from Resetera. One of the more obnoxious members there.
 
Lotta folks are tired of COD too though, me included. I would go back and play the old Zombies but the novelty would wear off quickly I believe. I loved Transit. Just really good times from back in the day. I would probably play through the campaigns for those more futuristic CODs as well.
But cod is the best selling game every year since 2007. Mw2 sold the same the old best cods. The game retains the same sales for 17 years. It will be the same next 10 years we don't know but hard to be a failure and they got blizzard too.
 
The last pages of this thread tried to paint Jim Ryan as an idiot who might regret not coming to the table with Bobby Kotik and sign a supposed deal that can guarantee marketing benefits beyond 2024.

This doesn't make sense because for the longest time some people put on secenarios where Sony and ABK can make deals for years and years before this merger closes and the legal heads said they can't do that.

And from my memory the deal that Bobby wanted Jim to do with him was a "back up plan" so I did a quick research and yep just as I remembered:







This is very different from what some people wanted to spread.


Anyway, honestly, even if the deal was not a back up plan one, just like some posters here said. Why should Sony put more money and effort to grow an IP that sooner or later will go back to their main competitor?
I'm sure Playstation already have a strategy defined to combat this deal. Since now they know MS wants to put them out of business I'm sure they will make moves.
 
Regulators shouldn't care about what's best for Sony, they should care about what's best for gamers.
They don't, which is why they chose to block, but thankfully the courts do, and overruled them.

The acquisition is best for gamers, so should proceed.
The acquisition is best for MS not gamers.

Can you elaborate why it's best for gamers? Because tens of millions of gamers will miss out. How is that good for them?
This site has enough shills already. Your posts reads straight off Phil's ball sack.
 
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I kinda wonder if this Activision deal is going to have the opposite effect Xbox wants. I mean everyone knows that Bethesda games like Fallout and Elder Scrolls will be only on Xbox and PC, and we all know a fews years after the Activision deal is closed, the same will happen to COD. However, if you look at sales, the PS5 is outselling the Series 2:1, more in some regions. I don't think gamers want a gaming monopoly. Well, except those "FTC is wastin mah taxes" gamers.
If MS can replicate X360, they can get close to that. But that depends on how much effort they want to put in.

COD is a console seller and can increase your market share.
 
Obviously. Who pays their opposition to help them grow their brand?

The obvious move is to let the franchise bleed out and spend the money previously ear-marked on other things.

The reality of the situation is that the sort of gamer who basically only plays CoD isn't worth that much to Sony because they make money off everything on their platform and not just take a share of the spend on that particular property.

Objectively its improbable that MS will get a 1:1 conversion rate from former Playstation players. They'll get some, but not all, and that differential per user is going to impact Activision's bottom line way more than it will Sony's.

This is really important in the long term because even if these acquisitions are vertically integrated they still need to justify their annual budgets. If their revenue falls, they will need to make do with less. Not to mention I imagine some portion of their operating profit will need to be kicked back upstairs to service the billions in buy-in cost.

This is why Pete Hines made his comments about the treatment of Bethesda versus Activision. Being bought out doesn't mean he no longer needs to compete.
If Sony losses COD revenue, its a game over for them.
That money helps them fund their marketing budget and timed exclusive.
It also helps Sony business keep afloat.

Look at Xbox. Without MS backing, it would have been closed long time.

Sony cant play those games. They need to keep the light for their company.
 
I kinda wonder if this Activision deal is going to have the opposite effect Xbox wants. I mean everyone knows that Bethesda games like Fallout and Elder Scrolls will be only on Xbox and PC, and we all know a fews years after the Activision deal is closed, the same will happen to COD. However, if you look at sales, the PS5 is outselling the Series 2:1, more in some regions. I don't think gamers want a gaming monopoly. Well, except those "FTC is wastin mah taxes" gamers.
This is my thoughts as well.
COD isn't the reason PlayStation is market leader.

Most COD players would stay on PlayStation anyways. Especially if one of Sony's FPS live service games has the same high quality of their 1st party games and if Sony decides to market and assist in Battlefield's development.

But reality is still sad to see the legacy of a longtime franchise on PlayStation coming to an end.
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BO1 has 4,228 players online. Played a game and it worked perfectly. I'd imagine that BO2 and MW3 are similar.

BO2 never stopped working, since it uses another mm middleware. MW3 worked fine for what I've tried, if anyone has any issue just uninstall the DLC since it will match with people with just the base game.
 
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