Unredacted reaction to PS5's reveal, "We have a better product than Sony does" - Phil Spencer 30% GPU advantage
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Hestar69
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oof I didn't know it runs that bad on laptops like that.. it runs great on the series S/X figured pc specs wouldnt be high
Crayon
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"now after 12 hours of soaking in their unveil, taking apart their specs, AND LOOKING AT COMMUNITY RESPONSES..."
This is the problem. Community responses about the PS5 talk? What community, now? The one you spoon feed bullshit? IllegalLemon right above me is right. Spencer is overly focused on an imaginary war with playstation and he's got a fat blind spot. He's believing his own fud.
This is the problem. Community responses about the PS5 talk? What community, now? The one you spoon feed bullshit? IllegalLemon right above me is right. Spencer is overly focused on an imaginary war with playstation and he's got a fat blind spot. He's believing his own fud.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is nasty work by Phil. And he was acting as if Playstation weren't their main competition. I'd love to know what happened from this day going forward. Why didn't MS capitalize on this moment the way Phil saw it 3.5 years ago? Seriously, what happened?!
Mibu no ookami
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The One X came out a year after the Pro and the market had made its decision by then.
Same reason why if the PS5 Pro is released in Q4 24 and has the ability to play games like GTA6, Cyberpunk, Spider-Man, Wolverine, FF16 e.t.c. at high frame rates and high resolution with features like RTX AND has no competition from Xbox... it doesn't matter if Microsoft puts out a pro console in 2025. It'll be over by then. It doesn't matter if that console is more powerful.
It'll be a year on the market with Sony dominating the mindshare battle of the best place to play. And honestly, not just a year. You look at the last 2 years and that's been the case.
If you look at their potential roadmaps, 2024 and 2025 aren't going to be kind years to Xbox.
When you consider that a new generation is likely to start in 2028 or 2027, buying an XSX Pro that is going to be limited in what cross gen games it gets because of the XSS just becomes folly. It might be a worthwhile upgrade for someone who owns a Series S or X, but new consumers?
Heisenberg007
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The math doesn't add up to 30%, but both of them parroted the same figure. The "script" thing is so real!
Crayon
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A lot of kids have a laptop that can just run minecraft alright. Sometimes I think about if someone busted me down to something like that. A $200 laptop. And I could only game on that. I think I would just take a big sigh and say it could be a lot worse. Then happily play anything that will run. Which is a lot, truthfully. I'd live.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I can generally read people pretty well.
I can tell he blames the pandemic on a lot of things, despite that the pandemic almost certainly helped Microsoft here more than it hurt it, especially if you primarily look at hardware sales. Maybe he has a point when it comes to software.
The baked-in PS4 digital libraries is also something he is going to blame.
What he doesn't have much excuse for is the lack of software titles released that are big hits. Especially sans Zenimax.
At this point, Matt Booty should have easily been fired and I'd be surprised if he lasts the year. They won't want to give him severance and his bonus..
THE DUCK
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Crayon has taken to the full time job of posting at least 20 negative posts per day about ms.
All this talk about Phil being horrible, sucks at everything, bla bla bla. Ok we get it, he's not perfect, nor is ms. Imagine a world where they actually get credit for the things they have actually done right. Take starfield for instance, here's a game that actually seems to deliver and yet still here we have people full time downplaying the sales, people playing, or even just that the game is very good.
All this talk about Phil being horrible, sucks at everything, bla bla bla. Ok we get it, he's not perfect, nor is ms. Imagine a world where they actually get credit for the things they have actually done right. Take starfield for instance, here's a game that actually seems to deliver and yet still here we have people full time downplaying the sales, people playing, or even just that the game is very good.
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Heisenberg007
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Just jumping to say that we shouldn't make this thread about Starfield (there are plenty already).
But Starfield absolutely did not deliver. It delivered for as many people as Fallout 76 did at launch.
And obviously Phil won't say anything bad about Starfield now that he owns it, but he used the word "rough" for Fallout 76 and even considered ditching it and moving on.
https://www.thegamer.com/fallout-76-shut-down-almost-phil-spencer-low-player-count/
Considering people like or dislike Starfield and Fallout 76 pretty much the same, you can see why people complain about it and why you shouldn't downplay the grievances. There are genuine reasons that shouldn't be chalked up to fanboyish arguments.
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THE DUCK
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Just jumping to say that we shouldn't make this thread about Starfield (there are plenty already).
But Starfield absolutely did not deliver. It delivered for as many people as Fallout 76 did at launch.
And obviously Phil won't say anything bad about Starfield now that he owns it, but he used the word "rough" for Fallout 76 and even considered ditching it and moving on.
https://www.thegamer.com/fallout-76-shut-down-almost-phil-spencer-low-player-count/
Considering people like or dislike Starfield and Fallout 76 pretty much the same, you can see why people complain about it and why you shouldn't downplay the grievances. There are genuine reasons that shouldn't be chalked up to fanboyish arguments.
That stat is very weird considering anyone with eyes and a controller knows starfield is much better than fallout.
I'd say take some time and read some more of people impressions of the game on the starfield main thread, they don't seem to match up either, nor does the metacritic scores for the 2 games. (Fallout 76 has 52 metascore vs starfield 84)
Feels like you are cherry picking stats that support your position vs the totality of the situation.
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Heisenberg007
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Why would you take 81 critics' potentially biased reviews (most of whom didn't even have to buy the game) over 82,000 unbiased reviews from gamers who paid for it?
TheRedRiders
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Interesting, I never used to follow the gaming space closely back in 2016. In fact I never even knew the timelines of the release for the mid-gen refreshes, I thought both the Pro and One X released in the same time frame.
It's starting to make more sense now, I think Xbox had no plans for a mid-gen refresh until they caught wind of what Sony was doing, and they saw it as a good opportunity to ahead of them in terms of the power narrative. They were successful in that sense, I lost count at the amount of times Richard parroted about the "teraflop differential" in almost any video related to either consoles lol
GHG
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Stating facts (or discussing factual matters) regarding the state of xbox puts a target on your back.
THE DUCK
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Again, cherry picking, user scores for starfeild on metacritic are 6.6, yet a dismal 2.4 for Fallout, yet you think they are the same?
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I mean my main takeaways here are that an XSX Pro would have a 2-4 year lifespan, but the PS5 Pro will have a 6+ year life span.
For more historical context, the Dreamcast dropped to 100 dollars because sega announced they were going to discontinue it meanwhile the PS1 was also 100 dollars and was outselling the Dreamcast. Mind you the PS2 had already launched and was compatible with PS1 games. It later dropped to 50 dollars and the PS1 was still outselling it at 100 dollars.
Despite the Dreamcast having more advanced games (significantly more advanced) people would rather buy a PS1 for more money...
I can't see people buying an XSX Pro when the writing is on the wall. Unless they were to discontinue the Series S at the same time and say that the XSX Pro games didn't have to support Series S, so that it could get cross-gen games untethered by Series S.
Mibu no ookami
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Spank_Magnet
The Male Lewinsky
People still don't seem to get it. MS aren't in this for gaming, they're in it to push operating systems and services. They don't want to compete with Sony as a gaming entity, they want to destroy them so people have no choice but to use their services If they want to game.
Heisenberg007
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I'm talking about Steam user reviews -- where people actually buy and play the games, and you can see the actual time played and reviews by verified purchasers.
I'm not talking about Metacritic user scores. Those are bullshit and easily bombed, so I never even brought them up.
THE DUCK
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If your going to compare apples to apples, curious as to what that number looked like for Fallout 76 when it launched........a 3?
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Heisenberg007
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It is apples to apples.
- Fallout 76 = 89,512 reviews | 71.76%
- Starfield = 82,227 reviews | 71.85%
THE DUCK
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Except that no doubt Fallout 76 scores were lower at launch, so it's not.
I also notice that your conveiniently ignoring that there are almost as many Starfeild reviews at 2 weeks than a game that came out 5 years ago, so that's interesting. Clearly it's selling a massively higher amount than fallout 76.
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funking giblet
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Wow we have Feedback sampling on the N64, it will overtake the PS5 any day now!
Heisenberg007
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We were not talking about sales. We were talking about why people may have genuine issues with the game. Why would you change the conversation to sales now?
The number of reviews is the same, and so are the user review scores. I don't understand how that is an incorrect comparison.
A.Romero
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Because at the point there weren't any numbers but the theorical difference in teraflops. They mentioned they had access to the same architecture and opted for the one they choose.
JTCx
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There's a reason why the main thread impressions don't match up, it's full of people like you high on copium. Its your only refuge. But once you look outside of that where reality hits, starefield ain't so pretty.
Crayon
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There were not a lot of specs in that presentation but it was plenty more that one number. If it was just tf, he should have known that was a Shakey metric. And even still, he chose stretch that difference to the limit, to 30%. He was either listening to the wrong people or not listening when the right people spoke up.
John Wick
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It's not beyond ridiculous at all. What do these tech sites know about about actual chip and hardware design? Do you think Richard Leadbitter knows more or better than Cerny when it comes to the PS5? Or that the actual hardware designers and makers AMD were clueless about the design of the APU in PS5. Do you think they made the design and then told Sony just hope for the best?
It was a sustained effort by MS shills to spread fud. Anyone with half a brain knew the PS5 was a masterful design.
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Crayon
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Here's a fun thought experiment. What would Jim Ryan say here.
"Top three engineers, in my office, now."
"Yes sir. We're here. Sorry Mike was late. His wife was going into labor and he was on the way to the hospital."
"Okay, we all saw the presentation. Now translate that nerd speak for me."
"We have a 30% advantage, sir."
"That's funny. I'm reading 10 versus 12. What's wrong with this picture?"
"They use the power capping scheme with the variable clocks. We tried that and it doesn't work."
"Pencil neck over there seems to think it's pretty cool right. have you considered he made it work and you couldn't?"
"Well, Xbox Reddit sir...."
"Shut the f*** up. You don't run a business on hopium. Even if I had time to be hanging out on f****** Reddit, I want to hear it from my engineers. I want to hear it tomorrow. By noon. You're going to have best and worst case analysis of this thing on my desk."
"Top three engineers, in my office, now."
"Yes sir. We're here. Sorry Mike was late. His wife was going into labor and he was on the way to the hospital."
"Okay, we all saw the presentation. Now translate that nerd speak for me."
"We have a 30% advantage, sir."
"That's funny. I'm reading 10 versus 12. What's wrong with this picture?"
"They use the power capping scheme with the variable clocks. We tried that and it doesn't work."
"Pencil neck over there seems to think it's pretty cool right. have you considered he made it work and you couldn't?"
"Well, Xbox Reddit sir...."
"Shut the f*** up. You don't run a business on hopium. Even if I had time to be hanging out on f****** Reddit, I want to hear it from my engineers. I want to hear it tomorrow. By noon. You're going to have best and worst case analysis of this thing on my desk."
Crayon
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I've got about half a brain and I didn't necessarily know it was a masterful design. I knew that cerney seems to have about two and a half brains. And I know what a sudden wave of non-stop fud looks like.
My guess at the time that was that that Xbox was 20% more powerful, but the PS5 was a lot cheaper to make. I was only half right, but that was my own assessment and not based on forum chatter. Much less highly suspicious rumors.
DeepEnigma
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Sleepwalker
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Xbox reddit lmao.
Idk why you guys keep wasting your time with this duck character, he did the same when the PSVR2 launched. Hell do it again for the portal and the PS5Pro. Just let him earn his wage and ignore.
midnightAI
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He's right, Sony should pack it up, It's all about those better pixels
The math doesn't add up to 30%, but both of them parroted the same figure. The "script" thing is so real!
(what the fuck does that even mean, did anyone ask him?)
DeepEnigma
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It's leftover bullshit from the X1X original video that they memory holed when people called it out.
midnightAI
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Heh, I'd forgot about that
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They were hoping that you would
Thirty7ven
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Has there ever been one of these videos where it doesn't look like the culture at Xbox is just full on cheese ball? The one about Forza was crazy bad too.
THE DUCK
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Your implication is the game is only as good as Fallout 76, which is clearly not the case or it wouldn't be selling at such a massively higher rate.
It's not the same in terms of reviews since you are comparing a product after 5 years of updates, patches, and improvements vs something just out.
THE DUCK
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Yet that as much as you should from the rooftops, that doesn't match what really happened. Saying that anyone with half a brain knew it was a masterfully design back then is an insult to many professionals and long time respected posters on this board.
Revisionist history at its finest, and a sad state of affairs.
GHG
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Hestar69
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all 3 companies are only in it forrrrrrr.................Money. All 3 will do whatever makes them the most money.
Whats so wrong wish MS pushing game pass? literally in the mast month alone saved me from buying starfield for full price (bought for 35) and was going to buy lies of P but it was GP so need. now Yauzka games dropping day one later in the year and that already saves me enough money and makes game pass worth it for me.
Microsoft will never destory sony they are too big for that.
Hestar69
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thats why even tho its under powered,I'm happy about teh series S. it can run games for kids like minecraft,fortnite,COD perfect and thats all kids really care about or want to play..Well and roblox.
laynelane
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If even a fraction of the effort put into astroturfing and warring with Sony was put into game development, I believe we would have a very different picture of XBox as of now. That's the thing that always gets me. I've been aware, like many others, of these shenanigans for years. But I'm also aware that they don't work in real world terms. Sony is seeing massive success and XBox is not. Yet Phil and co. + shills just keep waging this pointless online/Twitter battle. It makes them look incompetent and, frankly, ridiculous too.
THE DUCK
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I particularly enjoy ignorant posts that label anyone saying anythng positive about xbox as a shill, or saying that ms trying to say anythjng positive is pointless. Yep, you are right, ms should just give up, and anyone on here that on the forum that likes ms should just shut up.
What a rediculous post, ms has 23 studios and is putting effort into game development.
These leaks have made it open hunting season on ms here and It's getting really old really fast. We get it, ms bad, Sony and Nintendo good.
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laynelane
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You're projecting pretty hard, dude. Maybe you should step away from defending MS for a bit.
THE DUCK
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I probably should, but mods don't seem to care and it's 15 posts negative to 1 for xbox support, all the rest of the members who support xbox are afraid to say anything for fear of being banned for "console waring". And I say this as someone who plays more ps5 this gen than Xbox. It's not about bias, it's about some semblance of balance.
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HawarMiran
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Let's hope they don't realize the genius of Mark Cerny and buy him for a few billion dollars.