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[Unknown?]

I dont really care who have the better graphics in car models
But the engines sounds on forza motosport is by far superiors.Compare to gt7

I haven't heard it on my speakers yet but at least GT doesn't have terrible sounding cars anymore! On PS3 it was pretty bad. Now they're adequate to good.

 

[Tripolygon]

The wars not even being fought fairly lmao...

I'm sorry but the bug is more realistic according to some in this thread so Turn 10 has to keep it.

Also tells you who doesn't know wtf they are talking about. As long as there is a particular brand logo on the box, they will defend it to death. Lol

 

[Senua]

Tell me Polyphony aren't wizards. That game runs on a PS4. The tech is less advanced, but it looks better and they have 120fps mode and VR.

They are, but imagine a GT game without PS4 in mind

 

[skyfinch]

Tell me Polyphony aren't wizards. That game runs on a PS4. The tech is less advanced, but it looks better and they have 120fps mode and VR.

That can be said about Playground as well. FH 5 looks incredible on Xbox one.

 

[Zoloft]

I sincerely hope he gets paid for his efforts.

one apple is not enough for today

 

[FoxMcChief]

"Our customers aren't asking for vr" Phil Spencer

He's right. I'm not.

 

[djjinx2]

"Fought fairly"

I mean — one is a full next generation game while the other had to consider the PS4. We shouldn't even be able to compare them and Forza not easily take it. The fact that GT looks better in several ways speaks volumes.

But one considers the Series S and game engines are very scalable so why should one easily take anything? Compare PS5 game to Series X game. That's fair right whichever is deemed best I couldn't care either way.

This thread is based on a bugged Xbox version which will be fixed is all I was trying to get across

 

[GHG]

I'm sorry but the bug is more realistic according to some in this thread so Turn 10 has to keep it.

Also tells you who doesn't know wtf they are talking about. As long as there is a particular brand logo on the box, they will defend it to death. Lol

It's too funny.

Anyone and their dog can see that there is an exposure issue going on in a lot of the footage but some people have twisted themselves into believing that's what their eyes see in real life.

 

[Forsete]

Lol, no... you must live in Grimsby, UK.

Have you never been to a sunny country before?

Where do you see the grey washed-out color in this picture? --- That's just not how the sun works.

Nice try.

This was captured with a Microsoft calibrated camera.

Game, set and match.

 

[VN1X]

Man you really have to squint your eyes to see the differences here. But I guess plasticbox enthusiasts are used to that sort of thing.

Obviously some of the lighting and colour palette is different but otherwise.... I still prefer Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

But one considers the Series S and game engines are very scalable so why should one easily take anything? Compare PS5 game to Series X game. That's fair right whichever is deemed best I couldn't care either way.

This thread is based on a bugged Xbox version which will be fixed is all I was trying to get across

Got it....

"A bugged Xbox version"
Series S should be considered as a detriment...

I'm assuming this same excuse will continue throughout the gen when Xbox/PC-only games release with visuals that disappoint? Because that is the box you just opened (whether intentional or otherwise).

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

They both look like videogames

 

[Fools-Emissary]

It's too funny.

Anyone and their dog can see that there is an exposure issue going on in a lot of the footage but some people have twisted themselves into believing that's what their eyes see in real life.

So Gran Turismo looks like this?

 

[Zoloft]

So we have a Halo infinite situation here.
I have been crying on every showcase for this game, I felt the graphics looked flat and dusty.
Thank god I was not insane. Also am not comparing, but Drive Club looks way better to me, maybe it is the art direction
. am not impressed at all by Forza 8 graphics.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

They both look like videogames

With this deep analysis, why compare any games at all?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

With this deep analysis, why compare any games at all?

The only reason people are comparing these two games is for warring, they both look fine and ultimately what look you prefer will be subjective.

 

[Flutta]

They both look like videogames

Might aswell play GT1 instead

Also people are forgetting that GT7 is a cross-gen game. Still holding up pretty well i might add.

Will try Forza out on PC. SIM racers are a always fun to play.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

The only reason people are comparing these two games is for warring, they both look fine and ultimately what look you prefer will be subjective.

I mean, it's being compared by a video game website and brought up here. If that's not your cup of tea, why come in at all?

 

[PuppetMaster]

I am not a Forza fan. But I like what they are at least attempting to do here with the renderer.

Their new lighting model makes their world look and feel very dynamic and cohesive. A more complete simulation. But unfortunately it just doesn't look like our world yet. The real world. It is clearly missing something still.

I would say at this point GT7 still looks closer to what the real world looks like. But it does so via clever tricks and artistry, hand tuned pre baked lighting etc. So overall while it does look closer to real life superficially, the obvious drawback is that it is largely static. And after playing hundreds of hours in GT7, I start to notice the parts the magician is trying to hide from me seeing. I start to notice the bits where the lighting is static or cleverly faked. And wish that they were not.

Hopefully the next GT won't have to be cross gen. And they can take a crack at a fully dynamic lighting model too.

 

[djjinx2]

Got it....

So "a bugged Xbox version"
Series S should be considered alongside a fucking last gen console...

In reality, there's no excuse. One should look better than the other with relative ease. And it doesn't.

Is it hard to understand engines can scale way up and down?
And who said Series S should be considered alongside PS4? What the fuck?

Engines scale very well these days is the point, doesn't hold certain aspects or visuals back at all.

And this video is based on a bugged version of FM according to Digital Foundry, sorry for speaking that truth jeez

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I mean, it's being compared by a video game website and brought up here. If that's not your cup of tea, why come in at all?

lol no, they just put up a video without comments, and even put in the description:
"Let us know which you prefer in the comments."

They didn't go trashing one game over another because of clear bias for their favourite plastic box

 

[Dacvak]

Both games look awesome. GT is definitely a bit more stylized, though. I'm not really a sim racer guy, but I'll definitely dump a few hours into this (assuming it's on game pass).

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Is it hard to understand engines can scale way up and down?
And who said Series S should be considered alongside PS4? What the fuck?

Engines scale very well these days is the point, doesn't hold certain aspects or visuals back at all.

And this video is based on a bugged version of FM according to Digital Foundry, sorry for speaking that truth jeez

Point is, there should not be an excuse. Even if you remove the "washed out" colors, GT7 has other aspects that look better (again, this in addition to a full native 4K image). Those are the actual facts.

And we can talk about what's "scalable" all we want. How does that affect the Series X version? In what way?

R Reizo Ryuu

Really? What is the clear preference that they have?

 

[Horseganador]

I find the work PD did with Gran Turismo 7 incredible when it also had to be released on a 1.84 Tflops machine, calculator CPU and a mechanical HDD from 2013 like PS4, who knows what it will do without those limitations....

It's a bit of karma that with everything said negatively about GT7, even people as "green" as Destin admit that it looks better than the new Forza.

And regarding the lighting, it is clear that that whitish tone is not normal, when you are driving in the morning you do not see the road as if a blinding bomb had exploded in your face 10 minutes before.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Might aswell play GT1 instead

If that is what you want to do, sure why not

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Also in replays Forza seems to run at 30fps and GT7 at 60fps, which means GT7 does not have ray tracing activated

The second half of the video they removed the RT and only showcased performance mode. Needless to say, the replay is the least of their worries. This is "built up from the ground up for next-gen" and it looks a generation behind a game that came out 1.5 years ago.

 

[Tripolygon]

Nice try.

This was captured with a Microsoft calibrated camera.

Game, set and match.

This looks like exactly what i see when i step outside my house. More realistic at least until Turn 10 patches my eyes.

Ok ok i'll stop trolling now.

 

[Mr Moose]

And this video is based on a bugged version* of FM according to Digital Foundry, sorry for speaking that truth jeez

Based on a bugged version some people preferred, being washed out*

 

[Darsxx82]

The wars not even being fought fairly lmao...

But is it a bug that affects or is it always present on the console or does it only appear occasionally?

It's strange because I've seen over 30 videos on YouTube and sometimes it shows very bright colors and others much more dull even under the same race conditions. I thought it could be the difference between the capturer.

 

[El Pistolero]

A bit disappointed, as I had expected Forza to comfortably pull ahead, given that it is built from the ground-up for the current generation Xboxes, but then again, diminishing returns makes it harder and harder to notice large differences, especially in the case of racers. Curious to see how the "proper" PS5 GT will look like...Not expecting much, honestly.

 

[DanielG165]

TheThreadsThatBindUs:

I can't quote your post for whatever reason, but, that is not how the current build of Halo Infinite looks and you know it.

 

[Tripolygon]

It's too funny.

Anyone and their dog can see that there is an exposure issue going on in a lot of the footage but some people have twisted themselves into believing that's what their eyes see in real life.

Remind you of anything at the start of last gen?

The black crush that some people swore was more realistic, but it turned out the XBO display Scan out engine was just messing up the image quality of games by darkening images more than necessary.

 

[SlimySnake]

But is it a bug that affects or is it always present on the console or does it only appear occasionally?

It's strange because I've seen over 30 videos on YouTube and sometimes it shows very bright colors and others much more dull even under the same race conditions. I thought it could be the difference between the capturer.

It only occurs when you change from performance RT to performance or quality or vice versa. Its a bug with the menus.

If you dont change it, you dont get the washed out look. Restarting the game also fixes it.

So not all of the footage posted here will be affected by whatever fix Turn10 puts out. The game just has a hazy look people are not a fan of.

 

[Gudji]

GT7 takes it but also gets bonus points for being playable on PSVR2. Where's the Xbox vr option?

Don't worry once MS buys valve they'll have great VR and Windows Store.

 

[Darsxx82]

It only occurs when you change from performance RT to performance or quality or vice versa. Its a bug with the menus.

If you dont change it, you dont get the washed out look. Restarting the game also fixes it.

So not all of the footage posted here will be affected by whatever fix Turn10 puts out. The game just has a hazy look people are not a fan of.

Thanks, I just read what the problem is. I hope they fix it because it's annoying having to restart a game to change game modes.

As you say, the game shows a commitment to less saturated lighting and the sensation of haze with the atmosphere and volumetric lighting. The question now is knowing how to distinguish which published videos were made with that bug present. IGN's comparison seems to clearly indicate that it is present while in other videos on that circuit the color tones are not that "off."

Edit: Destin/IGN recognizes that in the FM comparison it is working with the bug present. He changed modes and didn't restart....

That said, it does not mean that the comparison is too shitty to draw conclusions from what both games offer on a visual and, above all, technological level.

 

[Slicker than your average]

He's right. I'm not.

Of course you would say that because that's how Phil wants you to think; you've been conditioned to accept anything the man says.

Everyone else is happy with more options. And I'm sure if Xbox was doing some kind vr the tune would change. I remember the whole holo lens con

 

[Tripolygon]

GT7 is punchier/more contrasty like it was filmed through the lens of an earlier Samsung Galaxy camera, whereas FM is more flat like an earlier iPhone camera (though it's funny how this seems to have switched in recent years but I digress).

I personally won't make a judgement until I'm sitting down, playing Forza, and seeing it with my own eyes in a native and uncompressed resolution, but both games look great to me here. One is punchier, and more people like punchy colors, where the other is more subtle or subdued, and it looks like the time of day greatly affects that also. It depends on what style or flavor you like, that's really it.

Hell, Assetto Corsa: Competizione is far more hardcore and sim like than either GT7 or Forza, and its image is pretty subdued, even with all the fixtures cranked up. It's still a very pretty game, though, and Forza looks to be no different, and it has RT/RTGI in-game.

GT7 is not "punchier" or more "contrasty" it looks that way because what it is being compared to is really really flat. If you compare GT7 to other racers, it is flatter by comparison.

 

[FlyyGOD]

Having exaggerated reflections isnt always closer to realism Though. Although they do look nice to most people. Saying GT7 doesnt have reflections isnt true. It does and how much water on the track changes that.

U comparing replays to in game driving?

 

[jroc74]

I'm sorry but the bug is more realistic according to some in this thread so Turn 10 has to keep it.

Also tells you who doesn't know wtf they are talking about. As long as there is a particular brand logo on the box, they will defend it to death. Lol

I just realized.....that post makes some posts in this thread hilarious, lol.

 

[sendit]

ooof

This isn't really a competition. GT7 VR mode already trumps everything current gen FM has to offer.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Of course you would say that because that's how Phil wants you to think; you've been conditioned to accept anything the man says.

Everyone else is happy with more options. And I'm sure if Xbox was doing some kind vr the tune would change. I remember the whole holo lens con

More options is good, I agree. But I'm good without that option. I won't be replacing my Quest 2 with the Quest 3. I never wanted PSVR for the PS4 or the updated version for PS5.

I'm ok with not having everything. I don't have FOMO tendencies.

On topic, going by stuff I've seen only on my phone, GT7 looks much better than FM. Which reminds me, I still need to get back to GT7.

 

[64gigabyteram]

yeah GT7 looks better. Even back when i first saw it one of the first thing i complimented for it was the graphics, so weird to see everyone calling it "PS3 quality" graphics when it looked really good. Forza looks good too, but compared to GT7 they've got some ways to go especially with the lighting, color and car rendering.

Looking at Forza, I don't think any sim will top GT7 in the future for graphical fidelity... Maybe Assetto Corsa 2, but those guys usually leave graphics to the modders.

 

[StueyDuck]

I see ign Dippin into some console wars...

Great journalism as expected by games media

 

[DJ12]

I haven't heard it on my speakers yet but at least GT doesn't have terrible sounding cars anymore! On PS3 it was pretty bad. Now they're adequate to good.

Sounds awesome in a pulse headset or with atmos enabled. Not so great through my soundbar using 3d audio for some reason. May need to recalibrate the room or something.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Sounds awesome in a pulse headset or with atmos enabled. Not so great through my soundbar using 3d audio for some reason. May need to recalibrate the room or something.

Agreed. The sound design for GT7 with the official Sony pulse headset is fantastic.

 

[DJ12]

yeah GT7 looks better. Even back when i first saw it one of the first thing i complimented for it was the graphics, so weird to see everyone calling it "PS3 quality" graphics when it looked really good. Forza looks good too, but compared to GT7 they've got some ways to go especially with the lighting, color and car rendering.

Looking at Forza, I don't think any sim will top GT7 in the future for graphical fidelity... Maybe Assetto Corsa 2, but those guys usually leave graphics to the modders.

I'm not surprised we have clowns like djs passing off pc footage as Series X. Before he was banned he told us all he only played on PC.

I'd like someone to compare replay modes, rt vs rt, 30 fps vs 30 fps.

Forza does have rt at 60, not at 4k but it's like polishing a turd compared to gt7 which just looks better and the none rt mode 60fps looks even worse and still isn't 4k.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

That's a picture from a youtube video from long before the game came out.

Good job.

The lighting didn't change between this and the final game. It's still horribly flat and washed out.

Nice try, though.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Nice try.

This was captured with a Microsoft calibrated camera.

Game, set and match.

"It's just a bug"

-- Alex Bukkake

 

[alphachino]

GT7 with the better colors and has VR.

Dat Sony COLOR SCIENCE tho!

 

[adamsapple]

The lighting didn't change between this and the final game. It's still horribly flat and washed out.

Nice try, though.

You are objectively wrong though.