squidilix
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Phil just call IGN.
Forza Motorsport (XSX) vs Gran Turismo 7 (PS5) Graphics Comparison (Up: Video in OP replaced as IGN one was not fit for purpose)
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Phil just call IGN.
Elysium44
Banned
Both games look great. You know that because people have to take very cherry picked shots to do the whole "you see!!! You see!!"
It's sad to see ign feed the war and people to partake in it. Both games look amazing in their differences
It's not a war, many of us have both platforms and want the games to move the genre forward and improve, especially on newer hardware this is how it should be. GT7 is the current benchmark so it is right to compare.
StueyDuck
Member
That's exactly what I said
Wtf is up with gaf these days and these attitudes... Jesus its like being on Twitter.
Do you interact with every day humans like that?
StueyDuck
Member
Comparison is fair. But you'd be lying if people in this thread weren't going at each other's throats because a cherry picked image has slightly less crowd density that other pics or something silly like that.
devilNprada
Member
No this can't be real.. that looks terrible.. Like a Herbie movie from the 70'sIt looks so much worse even than FH3. Also WAY WORSE than driveclub which is I dont know almost 10 years old soon?
The image overlay color grading makes it look washed out as well... wtf I expected so much better
dont believe me?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
That isn't what you said. You complain about IGN feeding some "war" by comparing two games in the same genre. Then go off on a tirade about Twitter and interacting with everyday humans because you were asked a simple question that clearly eluded you.That's exactly what I said
Wtf is up with gaf these days and these attitudes... Jesus its like being on Twitter.
Do you interact with every day humans like that?
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Its still in but difficult to see sometimes. But its not in real time like FM/FH, you don't see the arms and the steering wheel and other things that move in the reflections.I love this effect. I remember posting gifs of the GT7 trailers that go overboard with interiors reflecting all over the cars.
sadly, ingame doesnt look as good.
Really hope PD can get there with GT8 on a PS5 only game.
StueyDuck
Member
You literally admit that it isn't what I said.
So why did you act like a prick in response.
Ign is feeding a console war by comparing to the console exclusive games graphics to their immature gaming audience. That's not a huge shock, clickbait and outrage sells. You can't tell me this is the first time you are hearing about this.
The Twitter "tirade" is because you and many others have had a fucking Twitter attitude in response to a totally reasonable message, oh God fuck I said both games look great you better send me a sarcastic Nasty message. Good job
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Tripolygon
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I am not. In the digital foundry video
The point is people saw a clearly terrible image with damaged gamma level and claimed it looked more realistic. I don't care to quote anyone but it's in this very thread.
You on the other hand spread a lot of misinformation. Claiming a screen space reflection was ray tracing and also claiming GT7 has no reflection in the rain. If you want to point fingers at someone instigating incorrect points, please look at the raytraced reflection in the mirror in your bathroom.
RT during races gives Forza a massive edge, especially at night / rain times. There's no reflections in GT and everything looks much flatter by comparison.
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Killer8
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The wars not even being fought fairly lmao...
This is egg on John Linneman's face. I respect the guy's knowledge but it's clear that being the 'expert' and his anointment as king nerd among the Youtube retro clique has gone to his head a bit. His behavior when defending Forza's visuals was really cringeworthy:
Sure, the guy he was responding to may not have articulated what the issue was exactly right, but it was clear to everyone and their grandmother that there was a black level raise issue with the game's visuals. But oh no! John knows best! He knows what he's talking about here and you absolutely don't! Remember when he heroically pointed out HDR issues in the Forza 7 pre-release media, that must mean he's right here too!
... and in the end it did turn out to be a fucking bug. Just lmao.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
"act like a prick" — because you couldn't answer a question. Cool. "but that's what I said". Okay, if you say so.You literally I admit that it isn't what I said.
So why did you act like a prick in response.
Ign is feeding a console war by comparing to the console exclusive games graphics to their immature gaming audience. That's not a huge shock, clickbait and outrage sells. You can't tell me this is the first time you are hearing about this.
The Twitter "tirade" is because you and many others have had a fucking Twitter attitude in response to a totally reasonable message, oh God fuck I said both games look great you better send me a sarcastic Nasty message. Good job
Otherwise, I'll say it again. IGN compared two games of similar stature and fans of both compared/contrasted. Yeah, it sometimes gets messy. It'll be okay.
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StueyDuck
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Whatever floats your boat big guy
HeWhoWalks
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A coherent response would have floated, but since that's clearly not on today's menu, it's all good.
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StueyDuck
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Sweet, have fun
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HeWhoWalks
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Tripolygon
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John is not defending Forza. He is saying what he presented was an SDR capture and not a nongraded HDR or tone mapped HDR image which the guy claimed.
And yes, the guy had the right idea but was attributing it to the wrong thing which is what John is saying is wrong.
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Mr Moose
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In which Forza?
Fools-Emissary
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Not really. There are other aspects of GT7 that people think look better. Sure, the lighting played a strong role, but it's still an overall toss up with each game having its own strengths/weakness (I'd put GT a notch higher for the cars, however).
HeisenbergFX4
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Inviusx
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What I like about GT7s presentation in sunny conditions is the really prominent sun highlights you see bouncing off the cars, I've never seen another game replicate this to the extent that GT7 does. It's something I see in real life all the time on the road so when I see it replicated in GT7 so accurately I'm like "damn that looks good". I dont think I've seen FM simulate this in the footage I've seen so far.
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GHG
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So you dug up an old alt with the primary goal of telling me how you really feel? Not the first time, but I'm honored.
demigod
Member
Another banned alt, why do you guys keep coming back.
lol congrats on your 10th msg since 2018, 9 of them being console warring "on this shitty Sony fansite"
gtfo with your troll-alt, it doesnt get more obviuos than this.
Fools-Emissary
Banned
Dude no one cares about this dumb console war hellscape. I hardly even visited but I remember your asss from many years ago. How sad to still be console warring after all these years.So you dug up an old alt with the primary goal of telling me how you really feel? Not the first time, but I'm honored.
Portugeezer
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GT look better.
djjinx2
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GHG
Member
How nice of you to keep me in your mind.
"Nobody cares" yet you have become so agitated that you needed to dig up your 2018 account to blow off some steam?
Unfortunately for you, it seems like you care.
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Because that's not a light bounce that's just direct illumination. It's pitch black in the sunlight because there isn't GI that works in the cockpit view from the exterior, just direct illumination. They should have faked it a little.nah, light bounce is fine in this gif. it illuminates the interiors as you under the lamps. i really like the reflections of the dashboard popping up on the windscreen. not sure if its ray traced reflections because those are limited to cars reflecting on cars, but its pretty cool.
I hate the reflection to be honest, since the perspective is completely wrong. The reflection would only look like that if you had eyes on your crotch looking up. A real dash reflection from the height of the camera in the game would be mostly dash. You wouldn't be able to see the steering wheel. Especially in that particular car.
Fools-Emissary
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Well I only signed up because it didn't need some special email those years ago. Then dear leader deleted my comments when they had to be overseen, so I was like lol, nope. Not bothering with that.
Now the site is 90% console war garbage, so it's pretty sad.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not going to quote anyone else either. But the difference in gamma in IGNs video and the other ones in this topic is pretty apparent. I am sharing pictures from other sources which do not exhib the issue.
You're spreading misinformation when you say people claimed the more washed out version looks more realistic.
Everything in my post is correct for the comparison pics.
Fools-Emissary
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Mr Moose
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He says, whilst being a console warring troll.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Buggy Loop
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I had the same comment for their Alan Wake 2 preview
Is something wrong with their capture?
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Fighting fanboys off, as to what looks better, I'll defend GT7 and its realistic graphics, forza's inability to get colors right.
Unknown?
Member
Why does that car have no lights?!This scene where the track is completely dark for a second is very impressive to me.
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Mr Moose
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Washed out and low quality, Jesus that macroblocking. What are they using for captures?
GHG
Member
My dude, this seems to be personal for you for whatever reason. Therefore it's pretty obvious that this isn't your first rodeo here.
I hope all of this is making you feel better though.
Tripolygon
Banned
There is no raytraced reflection in those pictures you claimed were raytraced. They're screen space reflection.
And GT7 has screen space reflections on wet tracks. Everything you posted was entirely wrong.
Mirror surfaces like puddles use screen space reflections. The main track surfaces does not exhibit a mirror finish which means the reflections don't appear like it would in a mirror surface. It is accurate if you watch actual real racing.
What I won't do is continue this conversation as if you know anything you're talking about. Nope.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
IGN has made the original comparison video private as it was done with the gamma bug.
The other comparisons and even DF's video are better representation and do not have the extra washed out look.
The first couple of pages of this topic are pretty redundant now.
The other comparisons and even DF's video are better representation and do not have the extra washed out look.
The first couple of pages of this topic are pretty redundant now.
The number of volumetric light sources gives the environment a feeling of incredible oppression.Looks superb in motion
The video is perfect to demonstrate that in FM the variety of environments, situations and lighting is an advantage and not a disadvantage.
GHG
Member
IGN has made the original comparison video private as it was done with the gamma bug.
The other comparisons and even DF's video are better representation and do not have the extra washed out look.
The first couple of pages of this topic are pretty redundant now.
RIP to all the poor souls who defended and "preferred" the broken gamma curve look.
I hope Turn 10 at least provides them with the option to keep that look via an in-game setting.
Mr Moose
Member
The people who preferred the washed out look are going to be disappointed. Though this should have been fixed before now, it was very apparent in their previews.IGN has made the original comparison video private as it was done with the gamma bug.
The other comparisons and even DF's video are better representation and do not have the extra washed out look.
The first couple of pages of this topic are pretty redundant now.
