Sw0pDiller
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Another game GamePassified by MS. a shame really.
Forza Motorsport (XSX) vs Gran Turismo 7 (PS5) Graphics Comparison (Up: Video in OP replaced as IGN one was not fit for purpose)
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
There seems like a generational difference when it comes to grass, car model, lighting, and track terrain quality.
Draw distance and object density seem very good on both.
Elysium44
Banned
Its just cherrypicked in the worst lighting spot from the same guy who always does this. The GT7 scapemodels are obv. better, not arguing with that. But his Forza shot is missing reflections in the glass to hide the glass shaders and fresnel.
Here's what it looked like ten years ago in FM5.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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As someone that played GT7 for over 150h and was looking forward to a new racer, you guys on here can pixel peep all you want and post comparison shots, GT7 still as an older game looks way better. Everything is crisp and clear yet in Forza everything looks washed out and not a single thing impressed me graphically. You can only see this if you played at least one of the two games to no end and then jumping into the other. If you played both casually a few hours,I doubt you could tell the difference. But for me, GT7 is so far ahead of what Forza 8 is doing. I couldnt care less how RT is produces on the surface of cars when OVERALL presentation is sub-par compared to GT7. Especially saying how this is the REAL next gen title.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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I've turned RT off. RT Reflections are very limited and looking very sharp and unnatural. RTAO is not a huge boost either. Great and curated older tech wins over new tech that is not fitted into the game's tech art any day.
Plus I have a strong feeling that at some point there was an Xbox One version of FM that was canceled when the development took longer than expected time. This will explain a lot of peculiar and strange compromises in overall presentation.
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Negotiator101
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I am pretty confident in saying the physics engine in Forza is superior to GT, GT the car kinda floats along the track, I know it's raining but I'm sure it's not that deep.- YouTube
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Can't unsee how GT looks on rails.
Forza nails the look if you know what I mean.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
The game is outright broken on wheels my man, what are you even talking about?
On gamepad it's very fun and pleasant, comparable with GT7.
I we talking about visuals, GT7 in VR is sublime in driving dynamics, and in 2D cars and camera in FM7 are shaking a bit too excessive.
You can change the camera follow settings in GT to be more loose. The default is always the stiff cam.- YouTube
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Can't unsee how GT looks on rails.
Forza nails the look if you know what I mean.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The overhauled physics.
SlimySnake
- you should try to explain this. If the game and its physics systems are indeed built from the ground up, how come it has the exact same bugs (features?) as the previous entries?There absolutely was.
But at some point they thought it best to go full marketing mode over substance and talk about "next gen", "from the ground up", "RT on track" instead.
GHG
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The overhauled physics.
I already proved to him that they weren't built from the ground up based on the UDP data being consistent with previous entries in the series, but he didn't want to hear it and resorted to flat out lying about what SuperGT had to say regarding the physics.
It's a waste of time.
digoutyoursoul
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JackMcGunns
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I bet you think those 10k multi-layer paint finishes are the same that end up at the dealer. I also haven't seen prototypes and show cars race around a track. lol
The weather effects in FM look better than GT7, that's it, we don't need to call for realism to claim one is better than the other, you're only proving my point further, super clean show cars is not what you typically see racing around a dirty track , but we love to see it, same with the weather.
Bumblebeetuna
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Its just cherrypicked in the worst lighting spot from the same guy who always does this. The GT7 scapemodels are obv. better, not arguing with that. But his Forza shot is missing reflections in the glass to hide the glass shaders and fresnel.
Agendas, what a shock. I have to say congrats to you, you seem to be literally the only person in all of these comparisons legit posting beautiful shots of both games and giving them both credit for what they do better. But those agenda bullshots are why it's hard to really care about graphical comparisons.
GHG
Member
Yeh quite a lot of discussion about this there at the moment:
Honestly, if they didn't bullshit everyone so much prior to the release then I don't think they get this backlash.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Why? I didnt make the game. I took an issue with people accusing me of trolling when I had posted what devs said. If you have an issue with devs lying, downgrades and false promises then take it up with Turn10. just dont accuse me of trolling or making shit up.The overhauled physics.
Live up to your tag, do some research and you should be able to dismiss their claims.
This is them explaining it a few months ago. If you can disprove this, be my guest. Create a thread, and I will leave you a like.
Here are their claims. Should give you a head start. If they are lying their asses off then it shouldnt be hard for you to disprove.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
lol calm down. When did I "accuse you of trolling?" Don't gaslight me. I don't get into that trap.
You were telling us that the game is indeed built from the ground up and it is not just marketing talk, while others were explaining to you that it was just a marketing slogan. So, of course, I'm gonna ask for your opinion now after seeing this.
I'm not talking about what the devs said; I'm talking about what you said.
Now, do you still stand by your earlier comment that the game is indeed built from the ground up? Or have you now changed your mind?
If you still stand by it, why do you think the exact physics-related glitches appear in this game also?
zephiross
Member
The AI is my biggest gripe with the game. It's worse than it has ever been, I do not recall it to be anything like this in previous entries.
It just doesn't acknowledge your presence when racing side to side, always raming you and pushing you even when you are more than half a car leght ahead. The only time it seems to know you are there is when you trail them closely and they will take any opportunity to brakecheck you.
The distribution in difficulty is also laughtable. At difficulty level 6, easy win from 12-16 starting position. At level 7 it's a lonely race in 2nd or 3rd position since the front runners are really fast on most occasions, while the rest lag behind often close to 2 sec slower a lap.
What's with that grass in Forza? That's something from the 360 generation. They thought they could get away with that in a racing game lmao.
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Neo_game
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Here's what it looked like ten years ago in FM5.
Though in Forza the air vents are better overall Horizon pic is more impressive. Obviously one is an arcade and other is sim it is likely that in gameplay too Horizon is better looking.
djjinx2
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Elysium44
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Not true, the intent is to give constructive criticism. I was also accused by one poster of having no intention of ever playing the game, which is false when I own every single other Forza game and have played for many thousands of hours in total. However, I respect the decision.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Where did I say that YOU accused me. i said PEOPLE accused me and I took an issue with that.
I honestly dont have any visibility into their engine so i can only take their word for it. SuperGT himself said that the cars handle much better on the curbs. Which lends credibility into their claims in the tweet above. I dont know if their 10x more trackside detail claim is true. it doesnt even look like 2x to me, but that could be due to the downgrade. Their claim of 3d trees and foliage is still true. Their claim of better lighting is true. Their claim of shaders being built from the ground up is not something I can prove or disprove. They look better to me but i cant prove if they were built from the ground up or not. Weather system does look like its built from the ground up. Massive difference there. That leaves RTAO and RT reflections, both of which are in the xsx version, downgraded but there. So again, true. There were people and i hate that i have to clarify that you were not one of them, who said the game didnt have any improvements over the game. I listed over 10. 90% of them are there in the final game.
Again, if you feel these claims are untrue, go ahead and expose them. The onus is on YOU to prove they are lying. Not on me. Just like you did with the Phil spencer lies. You brought the receipts. Time to do the same.
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//DEVIL//
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Man, in GT it looks like you are moving the track, not the car. It looks kind of weird.- YouTube
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Can't unsee how GT looks on rails.
Forza nails the look if you know what I mean.
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True, but you can change that in the camera settings
//DEVIL//
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is there a video that shows the difference?
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FM is much better than GT7. its almost a game breaker to be honest.
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
It is terrible, you can adjust it a little and it helps but barely.
Elysium44
Banned
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.
It has already been proven and exposed -- in the above video.
"[The tire model's been] completely rebuilt. We used to have that single point of contact at 60 Hz; now we have eight points of contact per tire at 360 [Hz]. Just a huge leap in our tire model fidelity — you can feel it. It's the core of the gameplay experience now." -- Esaki claimed during Thursday's Forza Monthly stream.
If the systems changed, the car would have behaved differently. It is behaving the same, which means their claim is not true.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
If you say so. It's a glitch that is a carry over from the previous games. its like dismissing all the UE5 upgrades like nanite, lumen, niagara, world partitioning because the traversal stutter from UE4 is still there. People who have played the game, who have reviewed the game, have said that the driving physics are improved. I am not a forza guy so i couldnt tell you if there is a difference myself. the last forza motrosport I played was 10 years ago at the xbox one launch and dont remember much about it. I just dont think a glitch proves that the 48x improvement in tire physics isnt there, but I suppose its not a good look for devs who were claiming a massive overhaul of the physics system.
I think its important to hold devs accountable. Their AI upgrades were supposed to be utilizing machine learning and maybe they are, but its clear that the AI is worse than ever. I wouldve expected reviews and DF to cover stuff like this but they didnt even mention the downgrades until ElAnaldebits pointed it out.
Connxtion
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Yeah I don't really understand what the hell Forza is doing
like where the hell is all the grass. (I know GT7 turns everything up to 11 when in photomode etc…)Also that image of Forza looks washed out, all mine did the same when I took images in game, ruined all my shots
like how hard is it to make sure shit works before release 
And like others have said, this is just an updated Forza 7, all the trackside glitches to get higher in photo mode still work
shocking this took 6 years to make.Here are 2 shots, both are washed out, yet I game they were setup perfectly
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Unknown?
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Upgrades /=/ Ground up engine.
Thanks for posting this. Personally, I like the stiffness because I see and recognise faster what the car does and distinguish it from what the camera does. Then again, I grew up playing Grand Prix Legends, which had also an ultra stiff 3rd person camera. I think it comes to down to preference and everyone should try out what works best for them.
On paper this sounds too good to be true. I was constantly torn between different sims (iRacing, ACC, rFactor, Race Room) and was watching endless YouTube videos on the "realism" of each sim over many years. And as with camera stiffness I came to terms with it that's it's mostly preferences. You have technical facts, like with the refresh rate for tyres, or that some sims behave differently under the same load and weight transfers (e.g. low speed corners in one sim feel different than in others).
When I could try Toyota Gazoo's professional high end sim rig in Cologne, it felt like another sim and not inherently better or more realistic (except for the moveable platform infront of a 180° cinema-size screen and the LMP chassis; the software though wasn't more realistic or better than the one we get with GT7, FM or all the other sims out there).
So even if their claim was true, it's totally okay to prefer other sims because the "race of realism" doesn't mean anything beyond the point we've already crossed. Without VR and G-force simulations you won't get any closer than we've already been for some years now. 60 or 360Hz won't change the whole sim game and genre, I'd argue.
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DJ12
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Yup, Forza as always makes a play for the casuals with the chase cam, glad you enjoy it.- YouTube
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Can't unsee how GT looks on rails.
Forza nails the look if you know what I mean.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
No you were banned for fucking only bashing this game and the fact that you're a complete tool.
Hell you didnt even fucking PLAY it. Blaaaaahhh. Thats the sound a sheep makes, like you. Blaaaaah
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
MY. HAIRY. ASS Youve been called out about this numerous times. Stop lying you shill.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
can someone repeat this experiment in gt7 ?
Elysium44
Banned
This video does, not the exact same track but shows how GT7's AI reacts to obstructions and tries to avoid them.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
That's actually insane.
Gt7 looks so good here. The way AI reacts, the way how clean it looks, window reflections.
And that "contrast bug" in forza just makes it look washed out.
One thing forza got going for it is better sense of speed for sure.
Daneel Elijah
Member
The comments on that link are even more damning than that. The "bug" also gives a lot of money:
And a confirmation by another poster:
Can somebody who play the game confirm?
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Your joking aren't you? have you seen when the car is actually on the racing line the cars slow down way way to much far away then drive past like 90 year old Granny's.
Don't try and make out GT7 AI is good.
Dr.Morris79
Member
This new Forza is the only track racer that's made me actually want to race since the first Gran Turismo
Really liking it so far.
Really liking it so far.
sendit
Member
GT7 AI may not be world class (Sophie AI was pretty impressive). However, I've found the training model turn 10 used to develop Drivetar AI.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
GT7s AI is better, but this video shows some fantastic motion blur in Forza and almost a CG feel to cars passing by you at full speed. GT7 looks way too clean. Pretty but clean.
As for the AI, this is what Turn10 promised. They said they used machine learning to completely revamp the AI. Apparently the AI drove each track 26,000 times but didnt learn how to avoid obstacles??? When i play, i can see some of the AI behavior they talked about below. So not all of it is lies, but its bizarre how their AI system cant account for avoiding cars when it is went through machine learning algorithms.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
I didn't mention Turn 10.