Sony president wants to improve margins on their multi-platform releases (Updated w/ analysis)
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Senua
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KungFucius
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They want to grow margins, not console sales. It seems clear that console sales are not going to grow this gen. More people in the world, less PS5s than PS4a. If they can increase margins across console and PC that means each game makes more back. Why should it matter what platform a game sells on outside of who recoups 100% revenue from the sale?
Sony need to have a PS app on PC and sell games directly through their store. Then add the ability to play anywhere. Basically what xbox does. They could be cunty about it and require a basic PS+ account for play anywhere.
Day 1 on PC would probably sell more on PC than day 450. It is unclear how much that would impact day 1 sales on PS. They should run that experiment. I tend to buy their major releases via preorder and would change to PC if they were day 1 there.
Fabieter
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It's funny that everyone is yea we don't know if it's affect their console business while proceeding with "yea if they go day one iam out" ( I think the same btw.)
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
how are you so sure about that? we just half way in?
Interfectum
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Was this posted?
MisterXDTV
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It was obvious to me but Xbox fans are desperate now, so they read too much into it to feel a little better
Interfectum
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Feels like, if this tweet thread is true, it's basically Sony is going to stay the course they've already set themselves on... but somehow that got blown up to day/date PC and PS on Xbox. There's no correcting it now because Twitter is garbage and fanboys are relentless.
Topher
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Interfectum
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I had a feeling there was more to this "news." It just didn't seem logical for Sony to act as was originally suggested. The explanations provided in that tweet thread are far more coherent and really should be included in the op.
Interfectum
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Person cited in the OP even backtracking:
FrankWza
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MisterXDTV
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Interfectum
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Sony didn't say anything wrong. "Analysts" on Twitter doesn't understand what they are reading and fill in the blanks for $$.
Bond007
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Good point
MisterXDTV
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Analysts tied to Microsoft, yes....
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FrankWza
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StreetsofBeige
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No doubt Sony will support PC ports more (and possibly even console more). In 2019 there were zero PC and Xbox/Switch ports. They didn't even have that PS for PC studio or Nixxes yet. Then:
- Starting in 2020 came PC ports (slow ramp up)
- Starting 2021 brought more PC ports and MLB The Show to competing consoles
- Sony buys Nixxes in 2021 for PC ports
- Sony GAAS games day one PC
If any of you think Sony will do a hard stop at the last bullet point and do no more game porting or earlier releases (including more day ones at some point), youre fooling yourselves. If you were a firm believer in zero ports in 2019, you've already conceded all the bullet points since then.
- Starting in 2020 came PC ports (slow ramp up)
- Starting 2021 brought more PC ports and MLB The Show to competing consoles
- Sony buys Nixxes in 2021 for PC ports
- Sony GAAS games day one PC
If any of you think Sony will do a hard stop at the last bullet point and do no more game porting or earlier releases (including more day ones at some point), youre fooling yourselves. If you were a firm believer in zero ports in 2019, you've already conceded all the bullet points since then.
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Negotiator101
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Sony Corp want bigger profits the PS division seemingly ain't cutting it. PS ain't a mile away from Xbox when you actually look at the bigger picture. PS doing better than Xbox but Microsoft is doing better than Sony, its not rocket science 
Very happy PS5 and Switch owner here. No interest in getting a PC for a number of reasons.
Completely fine with PC getting more Sony 1st party games. Whatever it takes for Sony to get the ROI it needs to keep making these epic single player games. The biggest threat is GAAS and Gamepass which combined take the incentive out of making top of the line single player games.
If PC gamers want to buy 1-2M of Sony's 1st party games for $69.99 a pop and add another $50-$100M ROi to these games. By all means, go ahead!
Completely fine with PC getting more Sony 1st party games. Whatever it takes for Sony to get the ROI it needs to keep making these epic single player games. The biggest threat is GAAS and Gamepass which combined take the incentive out of making top of the line single player games.
If PC gamers want to buy 1-2M of Sony's 1st party games for $69.99 a pop and add another $50-$100M ROi to these games. By all means, go ahead!
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Audiophile
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If it's GaaS/Multiplayer-focused/Remake they can do day and date on PC, but all other 1P/2P flagship titles need to stay exclusive to their local PS consoles for 12-18mths.
Budge on this and -- slow as it may be -- it'll be the beginning of the end.
The reason PS games are for the most part a cut above isn't just talent but the fact that those titles are built from the ground up as a representation of the platform, the brand and the ecosystem. The investment and support is their because they're "PlayStation games". It's an imperative that they act as a showcase.
This has nothing to do with fanboyism or not wanting other people to play games. But the quality of these titles is in part reliant on them being mascots for a wider ecosystem; in some cases it's part of the reason they're where they are.
With MS it quite frankly doesn't apply, especially given their current situation and their limited paths forward. They're two completely different cases.
Budge on this and -- slow as it may be -- it'll be the beginning of the end.
The reason PS games are for the most part a cut above isn't just talent but the fact that those titles are built from the ground up as a representation of the platform, the brand and the ecosystem. The investment and support is their because they're "PlayStation games". It's an imperative that they act as a showcase.
This has nothing to do with fanboyism or not wanting other people to play games. But the quality of these titles is in part reliant on them being mascots for a wider ecosystem; in some cases it's part of the reason they're where they are.
With MS it quite frankly doesn't apply, especially given their current situation and their limited paths forward. They're two completely different cases.
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OverHeat
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StreetsofBeige
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And thats the right mindset. Similar to Sony exec's except they havent done big SP day one PC ports yet. But you can see they are already doing day one GAAS like Helldivers, so they are testing the waters.
If two year old PC ports and day one Helldivers are so detrimental to the ecosystem, all Sony games would still be locked behind a PS4 or PS5. heck, even MLB The Show is on Xbox and Switch. So it shows when they think the numbers are still good they dont give a shit if their baseball game is on other consoles. If there's a big incremental boost to the numbers, it's worth doing.
What they are trying to figure out is if that theory of "If SP games X, Y, and Z go PC day one, will it harm the net profits long term assuming a PS gamer goes PC permanently".
We'll have to wait and see. But so far since they've churned out tons of delayed PC ports and now Helldivers 2 day one, they are confident it hasnt hurt yet.
Hey you never know. Maybe if analysis shows if H2 was PS only, you'd get double the PS gamers, Sony will delay their next GAAS game as a two year PC port. Doubt it. Because they know deep down there's a lot more incremental sales from PC fans who arent going anywhere and PS gamers not going anywhere either.
It's like a potato chip company. They can sell the chips at every store in town. Some stores are more profitable than others due to the account manager wheeling and dealing with the head office buyer. Notice how all the big companies sell their chips everywhere even though profit wise it'd be better to funnel all sales to a small number of super profitable margin stores? Of course not. Because the incremental sales are huge even if some retailers arent great profit wise. But lots of customers shopping there arent going to go to other stores. So it's better to make only 50 cents off them than 0 cents.
Negotiator101
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Where is that clown anyway?
Mr Moose
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Hermen Hulst - PlayStation GAAS releasing day-one on PC, SP games at least one year after console release
There is is, just as i've been saying. They know what they are doing.
I stopped at the first bulletpoint because you're wrong.
OverHeat
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Trolling the Xbox thread. When SONY drop 1st party game on PC day 1 I'm so going to troll him hard hahaha
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MarkMe2525
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Every screen is an Xbox
Negotiator101
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It's all tongue in cheek with him anyway
StreetsofBeige
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We'll have to wait and see about big day one PC ports.Hermen Hulst - PlayStation GAAS releasing day-one on PC, SP games at least one year after console release
There is is, just as i've been saying. They know what they are doing.www.neogaf.com
I stopped at the first bulletpoint because you're wrong.
If this was 2019, nobody would had guessed in 2024 all the PC ports and MLB on Xbox/Switch.
MisterXDTV
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MLB is published by.... THE MLB
Has nothing to do with Sony.
The League forced Sony to port it to other consoles otherwise they would have lost the MLB license and GAME OVER
MisterXDTV
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You will wait a long time, buddy
StreetsofBeige
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And Sony could had said forget it. Kill the game. But they decided to keep it going and release games on Xbox and Switch because its still worth the money. Sony San Diego makes games for MS and Nintendo systems for years.
MisterXDTV
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LOL
So they would have KILLED the only Sports game they have to avoid making ports????
Sony has the Baseball exclusive on the market, they were NEVER going to kill that franchise....
But keep believing it's a Sony decision if you want to.... but it's FALSE
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StreetsofBeige
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Thats what I'm saying. If it's worth the money to keep regardless of making ports for competing systems they'll make ports.
No different than PC ports and Helldivers 2 day one PC. If theres good money to grab they'll do it. If making ports is detrimental to the ecosystem as people flock to other platforms they wont.
Some of their SP games arent even two year gaps. UC and LOU Part 1 were under a year.
OverHeat
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I'm a patient guy…revenge is a dish best served cold
MisterXDTV
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MLB The Show was a Playstation exclusive UNTIL the MLB forced Sony to port it to Xbox/Switch.
If that doesn't happen you would have never seen that game run on a Xbox
So your point doesn't stand....
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StreetsofBeige
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Sure it does.
Sony can say they dont want to make the game anymore so Xbox and Switch doesn't get it. But they continue making it with Xbox and switch games because the money is good and worth doing.
Who ever said MLB is forcing Sony to make MLB games forever?
MisterXDTV
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So you are saying that without the MLB forcing this, they would have ported MLB the Show to Xbox anyway???
I'm not sure you are serious...
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Mr Moose
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StreetsofBeige
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You have a hard time understanding things.
MLB might be forcing it (it was never even proven but a theory). Find a google article that states it's proven Sony is forcing Sony to make ports.
Regardless, Sony has accepted making MLB on competing platforms (instead of saying forget it and ditch the franchise so they dont help Xbox and Switch with baseball) because it's worth the revenue to do it. Even though it's a slap in the face to PS fans that MLB is on competing platforms, Sony doesn't care. They are willing to keep making the game for all consoles because it's good money.
If making Xbox/Switch baseball games was so bad to the financials, Sony would rather bury the franchise, just like they buried their NBA, NHL and NFL games long time ago.
Fabieter
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I dont believe this is all. Sony already stated all of this, it doesn't make sense to just further confirm it that they just stay on course when they aint happy with the numbers.
MisterXDTV
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Me? You don't actually understand that MLB the SHOW PUBLISHER is MLB not SONY!
So in reality it's not even a FIRST PARTY title anymore
It's DEVELOPED by a Sony studio, THAT'S IT
StreetsofBeige
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Who knew MLB owned Sony San Diego and forces that studio to make whatever game they want. lol
MisterXDTV
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Just have fun waiting for real Sony games (as in PUBLISHED) to show up on Xbox then....
LOL
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porkchopexpress
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1st party on other consoles? No.
1st party day one on PC? Not anytime soon if ever.
1st party on PC very close to day one? (+30-60 days) Through a Sony digital PC store? Yep, this.
In a world of shrinking margins on 1st party releases, there is just too much money for them not to do this.
1st party day one on PC? Not anytime soon if ever.
1st party on PC very close to day one? (+30-60 days) Through a Sony digital PC store? Yep, this.
In a world of shrinking margins on 1st party releases, there is just too much money for them not to do this.
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StreetsofBeige
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If I want to play Sony games, I'll play it on my 4070 PC at better settings and higher frame frates. Heck, I can play Helldivers 2 right now if i wanted to that looks better than PS5.
As for MLB The Show, I already play the games on Game Pass, and I will again for MLB 24 with Vladdy on the cover. Cost me nothing extra. Only a sucker would pay full price.
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Interfectum
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He's going by the data released. The internet is jumping to conclusions as are you.
Twitter/Your conclusion: "I read Sony isn't happen with the profit they made, therefore day 1 PC releases for all Sony games is on the table."
That is not anywhere in the financials.
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