I don't care if it was King Charles or Kim Jong Un I want to know why helicopters are allowed to fly across the landing path of a major airport especially with reports of numerous near misses. This is a very easy fix even if the ATC are the most low IQ, fresh off the boat migrants around.
Jet collides with helicopter near D.C.
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Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
So is there a reason why anyone on the crew was incapable of looking in both directions? They just look at one plane going out, declare all clear and full speed ahead? Also nobody was checking the altitude and seeing they were too high up? Was the crew drunk?
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Deliberately crashed the heli into the plane because he didn't like Trump?
I know there's shit on the internet, but fuck me.
I know there's shit on the internet, but fuck me.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Supposed flight paths, make of it what you will
Zathalus
Member
Doesn't appear to be true: https://www.newsweek.com/washington...-trans-helicopter-pilot-wrongly-named-2024149
That debunking is talking about a black person.
Zathalus
Member
Is it not the same Jo Ellis? I'm not seeing anything about it being a black person?
Misread the headline.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
One of the victims was a friend of one of my friends... Kiah Duggins. She was just 30.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
IDK, you tell me? Seems ridiculous no matter which side does it. Especially for a systemic problem that has been this way since back in 2010-2013.DeepEnigma Quick question, looking for a level headed answer:
How many months or years into a term should one wait until it's acceptable to start criticizing the current ones in office for their actions?
The flight path shows 3 near misses, the last transmission refuses to respond before turning into the path of the incoming plane cleared to land. All while still flying double the height they're allowed to in that corridor.
This happened 24 hours prior.
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ClanOfNone
Member
My niece skates competitively in Arlington, she knew several of the people involved. No close friends, but people she had met/competed against.
I damn near crapped myself when I read the headline with "figure skaters" and "midair collision." They are frequently flying around for competitions, but they were both home when it happened.
My sister, her mother, narrowly avoided death on 9-11 when she missed her flight. The one that hit the pentagon shortly after.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yep. this is an institutional failure. Something that shouldve been caught and fixed years ago. It was a ticking time bomb.
But lets blame individuals because its easier to say than to say that the FAA, airport management and the military all failed at their jobs.
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Wildebeest
Member
Probably a multiple of things had to happen for it to go this wrong, but the recording of what happened on the heli will be key evidence for investigators.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Jesus. This new angle is pretty damning.
My knowledge of black hawks is limited to Black Hawk Down but there were two pilots in each Black Hawk. If this is intentional then both pilots were involved?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There's no way it could not have been seen with that view from the heli.
Same height instead of the max 200ft allowed, the way the heli turned into the path of where planes land instead of hugging coastline like the approved paths that have been done for years with hundreds of flights.
The near misses prior when you see the heli make sharp turns almost as if it were hunting. 24 hours prior a plane had to circle around to "dodge" a helicopter in its path.
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That's why people should never rush to conclusions about these incidents, but unfortunately even those in positions of high authority tend to talk far too much these days.
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There is a copilot yeah. Not sure how plausible it would be to go completely rogue given that.
daffyduck
Member
Apparently this has been done for a *very* long time, and the military does it because they will need to if a doomsday scenario occurs.
If they're fighting the controls? I guess it depends who's stronger.
I think it was some sort of stunt or maybe a rite of passage thing. They wanted a "Goose, time to buzz the tower" type experience and fucked it up. Seems highly unlikely the entire crew was on board with a suicide and I can't imagine the pilot could disable the rest of the crew easily.
Wouldn't surprise me if this was a fairly common thing to do, everyone "knew about it", and now JAG is gonna have a field day.
Mistake
Member
Saw this earlier. Planes are lit up when landing and that helicopter went straight for it. Seems intentional to me too
Kacho
Member
We'll probably get one over the weekend.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
" NEW: President Trump is questioning the situation surrounding the Black Hawk's collision with the American Airlines flight as new footage is released.
In a post on Truth, Trump appeared to disclose that the pilot was flying above the 200 foot limit.
"The Blackhawk helicopter was flying too high, by a lot. It was far above the 200 foot limit. That's not really too complicated to understand, is it???" Trump posted.
U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has also suggested there was an elevation issue with the helicopter.
According to Reuters, U.S. military helicopters are capped at 200 feet for safety reasons on their route over the Potomac river near the Reagan Airport, known as Route 4. "
Ocean Dweller
Member
why even suggest this?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Either way, they were double the allowed height in that flight path. If they were at the max 200ft, the planes would have flown right over them. Hence why they have an elevation cap there.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Holy shit. It's like a beeline into the plane. Although the plane looks like it's coming at an angle. But still, the heli pilot cant see that? The plane has bright lights you could see a mile away.
HJuggernaut
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
It's so weird. I can understand two cars crashing like that, but when it's aerial vehicles they need to be on the same x, y and z position. The whole thing is just so weird and I hope the investigation yields good answers for the families and so that it never happens again.
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Why not? Have you EVER met a military pilot? Fucking around to ride the jet wash or even just hoping to have a near pass in front and misjudging speed seems pretty likely. Doesn't seem like the help pilot made ANY attempt to evade and it seems unlikely no one saw the approaching airliner as they crossed a known approach path.
Kacho
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Fake.
Who is Jo Ellis? Trans Black Hawk pilot wrongly named in DC crash
Jo Ellis said it is "insulting to the victims and families" to have been incorrectly named as one of the pilots involved in the crash on Wednesday.
www.newsweek.com
Real Pilot.
All about Andrew Eaves, the pilot of the Black Hawk helicopter that crashed with American Airlines plane in US
Mississippi-based pilot Andrew Eaves died in a midair collision between a Black Hawk helicopter and an American Airlines plane, as announced by Eaves' wife. The incident involved a training operation and occurred near Fort Belvoir, Virginia. Recovery operations are ongoing. Authorities are...
midnightAI
Member
Its really difficult to judge distance of bright lights with little to no reference (as in, just a bright light in the sky). Its much easier on the ground in a car as you always have markers, whether thats building, signposts, fences, trees etc. Not saying its not possible, especially as the plane would have had multiple lights not just one, just saying its not all that easy (and if they were indeed using night vision, which i doubt tbh, then thats even harder as that will further reduce depth perception.
Kacho
Member
Stay frosty, boys. This is the worst period after a disaster. Don't believe everything you read.Fake.
Who is Jo Ellis? Trans Black Hawk pilot wrongly named in DC crash
Jo Ellis said it is "insulting to the victims and families" to have been incorrectly named as one of the pilots involved in the crash on Wednesday.
Real Pilot.
All about Andrew Eaves, the pilot of the Black Hawk helicopter that crashed with American Airlines plane in US
Mississippi-based pilot Andrew Eaves died in a midair collision between a Black Hawk helicopter and an American Airlines plane, as announced by Eaves' wife. The incident involved a training operation and occurred near Fort Belvoir, Virginia. Recovery operations are ongoing. Authorities are...economictimes.indiatimes.com
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
WOW! And didn't Jo Ellis JUST respond to these allegations since, you know, she's still alive?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Real Pilot.
All about Andrew Eaves, the pilot of the Black Hawk helicopter that crashed with American Airlines plane in US
Mississippi-based pilot Andrew Eaves died in a midair collision between a Black Hawk helicopter and an American Airlines plane, as announced by Eaves' wife. The incident involved a training operation and occurred near Fort Belvoir, Virginia. Recovery operations are ongoing. Authorities are...
Thank you!
This culture war shit is tiring.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Seems this was a training officer for a female pilot who they have not named yetFake.
Who is Jo Ellis? Trans Black Hawk pilot wrongly named in DC crash
Jo Ellis said it is "insulting to the victims and families" to have been incorrectly named as one of the pilots involved in the crash on Wednesday.
Real Pilot.
All about Andrew Eaves, the pilot of the Black Hawk helicopter that crashed with American Airlines plane in US
Mississippi-based pilot Andrew Eaves died in a midair collision between a Black Hawk helicopter and an American Airlines plane, as announced by Eaves' wife. The incident involved a training operation and occurred near Fort Belvoir, Virginia. Recovery operations are ongoing. Authorities are...
Was the female the one who was doing the annual recert? Or was she supervising the male? Presumably one was nominally evaluating the other, right?
HeisenbergFX4
Member
They haven't confirmed anything was just listening to some news and it sounds like Andrew Eaves was primarily a training officer who had over 1000 hours flight time though its very possible he was getting his recert
Don't know why they haven't released the name of the 3rd person in the helicopter surely family has been notified by now
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Social media in tragedies like this is humanity at its worst. The culture war never takes a single day off. Something horrible happens and immediately people try to blame it on the enemy team and promote their agenda. And you have the president blaming DEI for this. I hate DEI as much as anybody but my fucking god man. Give the culture war a day off for fucking once. I don't know how people don't get exhausted from it all and just once would like to have a day away from the bullshit and just grieve for victims.
Social media is poison.
Social media is poison.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It wont end anytime soon.
Thats because one side had it good cancel culturing and DEI'ing for 5-10 years.
Only the past maybe year or two have things gone the other way. This side is not going to give up the razzing and accusations back this fast. Swung hard one way, it now gets to swing back hard the other.
I imagine they expect drama about it so are prepping the family for a media shit storm.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It is, and always has been.
rubik's dude
Member
Just gotta get off social media. It's all politics and negativity, that's what drives engagement. And tragedies like this will always get weaponized.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Remember the boston bombing and reddit detectives finding and accusing random muslim looking dudes?
This was almost 12 years ago. Things are much worse now thanks to twitter and tiktok. Not everyone needs a voice.
violence
Member
Schools need to go back to teaching the scientific method.