Captain America: Brave New World | Official Trailer

all hulk references in this movie point to incredible hulk iirc.
That really dates it. The destructing in TIH is trivial compared to what the Hulk does in Avengers 1 or 2, though I suppose in the later film he isn't in the US so we might not care. But then he walks around as Banner/Hulk so I'm not sure why A. hulk gamma radiation serum wouldn't be a more legit research tool again or B. Ross himself would seem so freaked out about it because presumably he knows and kept up on all the Banner developments so would be intimately familiar with his rage techniques and how he "solved" it. The film, despite referencing 'current' marvel, feels like it should take place somewhere around Avengers 1 at best. Big alien body in the ocean....why aren't Wakandans or Asgardians taking point on this? Or the Nova corp or some other space entity? Or have "the contract" for mining it go to a certain Latverian construction firm, from a disinterested neutral country to appease the major powers, and well, that leads to Dr. Doom. Oh wait, we can't have that because we gotta go through this silly multiverse nonsense to "Explain" by Dr. Doom looks just like Tony Stark.

And if this is the first terrestrial source of Adamantium, then Wolverine could only just now get created, no? Or are all the major mutants gonna be ported over from a multiverse so their various backstories can stay mostly intact? Maybe 'the plan' is to do another time jump or wait for Wolverine so he could have a few years of living on the run, or adamantium already exists (which just devalues BNW even more, the whole conflict is basically over nothing). I'm assuming they used Japan so they could have Wolverine be in Japan and get exposed to it there. Plus they may have wanted to use China as the major adversary but that got ixnayed by corporate.
 
Had a good time with this one. No clue how RT critics liked Dark World and Love and Thunder more than this but aight
Chris Hemsworth as Thor still has his charm. None of the lead performances in Cap 4 were on the same level. Gotta have a charismatic hero or villain that can carry the movie.
 
kept up on all the Banner developments so would be intimately familiar with his rage techniques and how he "solved" it.
They aren't on speaking terms because ross was still shouting his equivalent of "spider-man's a menace!" up until now. He also had no idea he was being "poisoned" into turning into a hulk specifically, so even if banner somehow managed to jump in, there's no way ross would just suddenly control it. At best we'd just get smart hulk vs red hulk, which could've been fun I guess.
Big alien body in the ocean....why aren't Wakandans or Asgardians taking point on this? Or the Nova corp or some other space entity?
The world would just go to war with wakanda, because nobody can work together and they want all resources for themselves, but also because wakanda controling vibranium and adamantium would make them the only superpower in the world.
Asgardians have bigger things to worry about, new asgard is pretty small, since half of all asgardians were killed by thanos, they're focusing on rebuilding.
Nova corps are super dead, thanos destroyed xandar and the nova corps and killed half of xandar's regular population while he as at it.
Anyone else in space doesn't really care about earth, same shit or worse is happening on a thousand different worlds.
And if this is the first terrestrial source of Adamantium, then Wolverine could only just now get created, no? Or are all the major mutants gonna be ported over from a multiverse so their various backstories can stay mostly intact? Maybe 'the plan' is to do another time jump or wait for Wolverine so he could have a few years of living on the run, or adamantium already exists (which just devalues BNW even more, the whole conflict is basically over nothing).
Nobody knows what the mutant/x-men plan is, but yes adamantium exists in the multiverse, the TVA gives deadpool adamantium katanas, which is why wolverine doesn't just slice through them.
 
They aren't on speaking terms because ross was still shouting his equivalent of "spider-man's a menace!" up until now. He also had no idea he was being "poisoned" into turning into a hulk specifically, so even if banner somehow managed to jump in, there's no way ross would just suddenly control it. At best we'd just get smart hulk vs red hulk, which could've been fun I guess.
Possibly, but I'd imagine a guy like Ross would know EVERYTHING about Banner, and clearly the US Gov would know a lot since they employed him for a bit and he spends a lot of time getting selfies. So he would know about Banners calming techniques, as well as what Natasha uses on him, and so when he starts to hulk out a bit you'd think a VERY smart guy like Ross who is intimately familiar with Banner AND has spent a lot of his career exploiting a gamma radiation affected genius as well as working with gamma radiation super soldiers would have connected the dots and tried to mitigate the problem himself. Of course this is a Sam movie, not a Ross one, and they want their Hulk fight so Ross had to be diminished to boost Sam.
The world would just go to war with wakanda, because nobody can work together and they want all resources for themselves, but also because wakanda controling vibranium and adamantium would make them the only superpower in the world.
COULD the world beat Wakanda? They stopped Thanos...TWICE. I barely watched BP2 so I actually don't recall their naval prowess but didn't they make peace with the fish guys at the end? You think THOSE GUYS might have a say in a big celestial body in the ocean?
Asgardians have bigger things to worry about, new asgard is pretty small, since half of all asgardians were killed by thanos, they're focusing on rebuilding.
Again, its about who might see adamantium or whatever else is there and think...hey, our super science uses that stuff all the time (or materials like it) and maybe we can reclaim our glory if we take this thing. Maybe there are some employed in Japan.
Nova corps are super dead, thanos destroyed xandar and the nova corps and killed half of xandar's regular population while he as at it.
Anyone else in space doesn't really care about earth, same shit or worse is happening on a thousand different worlds.
I gotta think a Celestial body is pretty rare, even if some make a space station out of a skull of one. I thin k that if they are gonna go that route of celestial yields adamantium, you could have an interesting colonization story of folks coming to take it. THAT would be a BRAVE NEW WORLD if Sam had to settle things with space pira....err miners :P

As it stands, I'm not sure what BNW is referencing, or the New World Order tagline before it. Nothing really changes other than the pres steps down early in his tenue because he recognized that he is unfit to serve....oh wait I see what they did there :P

Nobody knows what the mutant/x-men plan is, but yes adamantium exists in the multiverse, the TVA gives deadpool adamantium katanas, which is why wolverine doesn't just slice through them.
The TVA also has a drawer full of infinity stones. The MCU is surviving DESPITE all the TVA crap, not because of it (IMHO).
 
My one criticism of the movie is that it's more Hulk sequel than Captain America sequel. We don't see things PERSONAL to Sam, other than he doesn't take the serum or his friendships to Isaiah and Joaquin. I wanted to know if that HQ is Sam's or is it the government's? I wanted to know about his fine ass sister and his family out there in Nawlins. I wanted to know if he has a non-governmental paycheck or he's more independently wealthy. What's changed since Falcon and the Winter Soldier?
 
My one criticism of the movie is that it's more Hulk sequel than Captain America sequel. We don't see things PERSONAL to Sam, other than he doesn't take the serum or his friendships to Isaiah and Joaquin. I wanted to know if that HQ is Sam's or is it the government's? I wanted to know about his fine ass sister and his family out there in Nawlins. I wanted to know if he has a non-governmental paycheck or he's more independently wealthy. What's changed since Falcon and the Winter Soldier?
He's dating Riri but tapping Shuri on the side, you know it :P

I'm actually kinda surprised they didn't hook him up with the black lady secret service agent. Typical hollywood will have him with at least 1, of not several, of the many black women of the MCU and in true hollywood fashion he has like 15+ years on almost all of them :P
 
Also... The previous Captain America movies were written by Markus and McFeely... They didn't do this one... Marvel COULD HAVE written this and made it all about Sam as Captain America ... But they were scared to. I loved the movie, myself, but I also can see they went too far in the Hulk direction than in the Captain America direction
 
So he would know about Banners calming techniques, as well as what Natasha uses on him
I doubt it, unless he has literally ant-man drone cameras following him 24/7 there's no way he could since banner developed those techniques himself for use in the team.
COULD the world beat Wakanda? They stopped Thanos...TWICE. I barely watched BP2 so I actually don't recall their naval prowess but didn't they make peace with the fish guys at the end? You think THOSE GUYS might have a say in a big celestial body in the ocean?
BP2 is dogwater so I don't remember, but yes the world could beat wakanda, they might have the edge in tech, but they don't have the numbers.
I gotta think a Celestial body is pretty rare, even if some make a space station out of a skull of one.
Yes a celestial itself is pretty rare, but worse things are happening on other worlds in reference to it being a dead, or at least inert celestial. I'm also not sure if he celestial itself is the origin of adamantium, since Sersi transmuted its entire body into a different substance, this is likely the cause of adamantium appearing.
Vibranium and Adamantium are great, but it's like rocket said tony "you're only a genius on earth pal", marvel cosmic have their own insane shielding and metals like Uru.

The TVA also has a drawer full of infinity stones. The MCU is surviving DESPITE all the TVA crap, not because of it (IMHO).
That's just a reference to the infinity saga in the comics, where it's stated every universe has their own set of infinity gems, but they are completely inert outside of their own universe.
 
Someone probably already posted it but in case they didn't, here is Critical Drinker's take on the movie. If you don't know who that is, well, you're in for a ride.

***SPOILERS***
 
He's dating Riri but tapping Shuri on the side, you know it :p

I'm actually kinda surprised they didn't hook him up with the black lady secret service agent. Typical hollywood will have him with at least 1, of not several, of the many black women of the MCU and in true hollywood fashion he has like 15+ years on almost all of them :p
I think they're an item but kept it ambiguous. Isn't it interesting that he's the only male in Marvel that has no potential love interests?
 
I think they're an item but kept it ambiguous. Isn't it interesting that he's the only male in Marvel that has no potential love interests?
Yeah, a lot to unpack with that one. They should at least have had Betty Ross walk away with a sly smile, we know Sam slid into those DMs if only to stick it to the Pres :P

But Sam originating as a sidekick deprived him of the typical "lost love" origin story that a lot of the others got. I suppose that would make him a "Secret gay" by the standards today (no blatant and obvious girl means he's gay) but I don't think they would fly. Did he really have no side piece in F&WS? It would be the same if Dr. Strange's monk sidekick got his own show, that guy has no apparent social life either. Same with Bucky, now that I think about it. It's the function of the sidekick to exist only at the whim of their hero lest they be distracting, but at least Spidey's big friend got with the blonde girl in Italy (IIRC).
 
Yeah, a lot to unpack with that one. They should at least have had Betty Ross walk away with a sly smile, we know Sam slid into those DMs if only to stick it to the Pres :p

But Sam originating as a sidekick deprived him of the typical "lost love" origin story that a lot of the others got. I suppose that would make him a "Secret gay" by the standards today (no blatant and obvious girl means he's gay) but I don't think they would fly. Did he really have no side piece in F&WS? It would be the same if Dr. Strange's monk sidekick got his own show, that guy has no apparent social life either. Same with Bucky, now that I think about it. It's the function of the sidekick to exist only at the whim of their hero lest they be distracting, but at least Spidey's big friend got with the blonde girl in Italy (IIRC).

I think Wong was with the black sorcerer from Multiverse of Madness... They seemed especially close and he was PISSED when she was killed by Wanda.
 
Wasn't a big fan of this, definitely very low tier MCU (bottom 3 in my personal rankings), but that said I don't mind a Marvel movie that just kind of turns into Top Gun for 30 minutes. Pretty excellent use of Cap/Falcon, if you ask me. The problem of course was a lot of what surrounded that section...

And it's too bad because the plot bullet points are better than the story they told here -- Ross as president hiding his hulk shit, Banner's doc pal as vengeful puppet master, Isaiah as Manchurian candidate assassin, reveal of adamantium in the celestial island and a naval showdown over that resource -- that's all pretty damn good IMO! But the nitty-gritty of the ultimate execution is left significantly wanting.

That island housing a new element that I assume will be relevant to how they reveal their X-men is literally the only interesting thing that will result from that Eternals movie, as far as I can tell.
 
Nowadays it's just enough to read the synopsis of those movies .. too much at a too short rate. Quantity over quality.

Also interesting that (again) a man succumbs to the madness of becoming a Hulk. She-Hulk was just better in everything (lol).
 
shot on set. Just awful lighting and colour grading.
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I have no doubt that it was originally shot on set, but the final shot in the movie looks like a green screened reshoot. I suppose you could be right and it's actually really really really really bad lighting + color grading, though.


Love these.
The Falcon & Winter Soldier pitch meeting is great too.


Honestly, I think they screwed up by making Falcon & Winter Soldier into a Disney+ show. It's a total mess but it could have been tightened up into a solid 2 hour Cap movie where Sam proves that he deserves the mantle. Could have really dug into the whole Sharon Carter as a villain angle too, who would have worked much better as the villain of a Cap movie over The Leader and Red Hulk lol

I was pretty lukewarm on this movie when I first saw it but the more I'm reminded about it, the more disappointed I am.
 
Falcon and Winter Soldier deserved a movie. And US Agent especially deserved a movie.
Well, they're getting one with Thunderbolts, no? I suspect that film will be as much of "loose end wrap up" as BNW was for Eternals, TIH, and to some extent F&WS I suppose. Hopefully it is a cohesive story and not a cameo fest of random disconnected scenes. Given what I've seen of the bad guy's abilities (flattening folks into a black smudge) I'm at a loss for why the Thunderbolts would even be called in on such a threat, much less what they could do about it.
 


Funnily though, when I went to the shopping this weekend (wednesday) for lunch, there was a few tvs (used for shopping randomly ads showed every few seconds) with Captain America ad on the screen (we here call Admiravel, which I don't think suits the term Brave).
There was a little girl with her daddy carrying her. I was in the escalator, same time as them. She suddenly saw the ad and ask "daddy who is guy?"
Dad say "I think it's captain America". The girl was like "oh".
 
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Oh yeah, no doubt the poor reviews would cut its legs out. They used the Captain America name to sell it and traded in all the Deadpool 3 goodwill as well. Thunderbolts is likely to suffer for it.
Thunderbolts and F4 are the first two MCU movies since Chapek was fired, and they're both longer than 2 hours. The days of cutting out 20-30 min are gone.
 
Thunderbolts and F4 are the first two MCU movies since Chapek was fired, and they're both longer than 2 hours. The days of cutting out 20-30 min are gone.
Not sure an extra 30 min would have salvaged BNW. But if these other films tell just ONE story, instead of trying to rope in a half dozen random snippets from other media, they might have a chance. Thunderbolts I fully expect to get mired in the pasts of all these 'heroes' and be a disaster, but F4 might actually be good, plus that director actually has real experience.

When I go back and watch Avengers, I'm always so impressed about how Whedon was able to give every character their little defining bit while still focusing on the story. There is so little wasted breath in that film, for all its faults it's still a masterpiece of ensemble writing. Hopefully the Thunderbolts has a similar vibe and doesn't end up being 4 seperate short films snipped together.
 
82% drop. Is that a record for superhero movies? Wow. Movie will DOA going forward. They better hope international sales are robust giving it legs.
They kinda dug their own grave with regards to that metric by using like 5 days in that "$95 mill opening weekend" by counting everything from Thursday through Monday versus a normal weekend. So I wouldn't read a whole lot into it per se, other than it seems likely that Cap4 may end up making less than Cap ONE, especially since certain marvel films predictably earn less than half their BO from international sales in stark contrast to almost all the others, and BNW is tracking to do the same.

If you believe that 180mill budget then BNW might crawl to profitability, but I think it's both a much higher cost film and nowhere near covering the marketing spend, even at 180 mill. It's not a disappointment, they knew this was coming, but it's undoubtedly gonna drive some changes to Avengers....5?
 
Watched it last weekend. Gave it a 2/5 on Letterboxd, but I'm going to be honest, most of that 2 stars was for the stuff with Isaiah Bradley (Carl Lumbly). I've thought he was great since Alias, and I like that he's getting a moment at the end of his career. I do think that there's a good version of this material that focuses on Sam working with Isaiah and finding his own way to be Cap as a Black man. Also, Tim Blake Nelson is incapable of a bad performance.

The rest of the movie is plain old bad. The script is truly awful, the CGI is rushed and cheap-looking at its best, the stuff with Sidewinder was obviously tacked on later, and the directing is .... good lord, I don't even know.
 
Riddle me this:
they built a special cage for the hulk, but red hulk can be held behind bars on the raft?
 
Riddle me this:
they built a special cage for the hulk, but red hulk can be held behind bars on the raft?
Riddle me this:
Tony Stark needed a beefy Hulk Buster armor to fight a Hulk but Sam can hold his own with a much smaller vibranium suit(and without super serum). These MCU powerlevels man... :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
Kojima losing track of the overarching narrative because he hasn't watched a fucking tv show is exactly what's the problem with Marvel.
 
If you believe that 180mill budget then BNW might crawl to profitability, but I think it's both a much higher cost film and nowhere near covering the marketing spend, even at 180 mill. It's not a disappointment, they knew this was coming, but it's undoubtedly gonna drive some changes to Avengers....5?
I don't think Avengers Doomsday was ever counting on Sam Wilson. The main draws will be Spider-Man, Iron Doom and Chris Evans as whatever the fuck (oh my god, if they try to pass over anything approaching Secret Empire Cap... maaan).

You really just get the sense that they had no plan at all. There's literally nothing happening with Eternals or Black Knight, Blade fell through entirely, The Marvels bombed, Shang-Chi is irrelevant to any plot (and I don't understand why people give the performance of his film a pass as if he's a popular character as compared to Eternals), Ant-Man, Scarlet Witch and Moon Knight are all but off the board with no word of Rudd, Olsen or Isaac returning ever, there's nothing bringing back Star Lord or Kate Bishop, and even if there was, literally none of this would make any sense. There's no "Avengers" here.

F4's inclusion should make perfect sense given that it's fucking Doom - but between RDJ and the fact that whatever Doom he's playing almost certainly will not be native to the F4's universe will make it nothing more than a glorified easter egg.

I'm predicting a comparative flop for Doomsday. If Secret Wars does the "Everyone is here!!" nostalgia thing by bringing back everyone from Maguire, Garfield, Jackman, Reynolds, all the way down to Alba, Cage, Marsten, Berry and Stewart it might do sufficiently well: but it'll destroy the MCU once and for all.

It can't be overstated just how much they fucked this all up. And it was perfectly predictable.
 
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If you go in expecting nothing and get something that is pretty good.
I don't see how this movie is worse than Black Widow, the second Thor movie, The Marvels, most ant-man movies, Captain Marvel, the latest Thor movie, etc... but hey...maybe it's just me.
All i know is time flew by while watching this. Made me think of some classic MCU movies. Nothing too great but not insulting as well.
 
Unless someone is the biggest comic hero nitpicker, or perhaps it's a Madam Web (never saw it), I think most superhero movies are serviceable.

I've only seen some superhero movies, but even ones that got junk reviews like Black Adam and one of those Shazam movies arent great at all. But it's the type of stuff I see playing on my streaming box on a movie channel, watch it to kill time and it's not the worst ever. At least the movies have some loud CGI battles to keep me awake. And someone like The Rock who acts the same way in every movie has a presence.

But going beyond that for people who know comics (story, lore, super powers this or that) is on another level of critique.
 
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I enjoyed the movie more than I thought I would but man oh man has the MCU fallen. I asked my 9 year old if he wanted to go see the movie with my wife and me. He says "no, it's the bad Hulk and bad Captain America." My assumption being he meant it as if they were bootleg versions.
 
Too much money involved but they should plan properly and reboot it but with all the properties sorted from the new start in about a decade.
 
I don't see how this movie is worse than Black Widow, the second Thor movie, The Marvels, most ant-man movies, Captain Marvel, the latest Thor movie, etc... but hey...maybe it's just me.
All i know is time flew by while watching this. Made me think of some classic MCU movies. Nothing too great but not insulting as well.
By that metric you are probably correct, BNW treads water in that way. But the Captain America films, for me at least, were right up there with the Avengers films for being the BEST the MCU had to offer and were the films driving "the plot", as it were, for the whole MCU. To see a cap film just be ho-hum and go nowhere, other than the reveal that adamantium now exists, I suppose, is sad. Is 82 year old President Ross gonna be a major player going forward? Is Sam gonna pull in a ton of new heroes, forge them into an Avengers squad, and then take on a big threat all in the next film? Or are all these mid heroes of the past 5 years gonna get served up to the slaughter to make way for the new 'real' versions?
 
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