Daredevil: Born Again | Official Trailer
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Alright, all earthly responsibilities for the night taken care of, now time to be Born Again.
2 episode premier, fan-fuckin-tastic.
2 episode premier, fan-fuckin-tastic.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Finished watching both episodes and it is a fantastic show so far
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Episode 1 down. Amazing first 15 minutes.
I am surprised at the flushing of the cast, and how it's shot. It's clearly higher budget, but the shakey cam is annoying.
It feels like it's missing the grittiness that season 3 had.
Now watching episode 2 to see how it goes. Strong start though.
I am surprised at the flushing of the cast, and how it's shot. It's clearly higher budget, but the shakey cam is annoying.
It feels like it's missing the grittiness that season 3 had.
Now watching episode 2 to see how it goes. Strong start though.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I am extremely happy with the way the fights are shot. I love the Netflix show but felt that the fights especially in the second half of the second season was BAD. So far the shaky cam doesn't bother me. As for the budget, the high budget really shows and I'm liking how they are keeping the way his powers are shown the same as was in the Netflix show. The cast overall is extremely interesting so glad they are flushing them out
It still feels gritty to me but for some reason the picture looks crisper I guess
Hope you like it!
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Damn, that was a great set of episodes to launch the season on. Feels like a natural continuation of the Netflix show with better production values, doesn't feel "Disney-fied" at all.
+ Great direction, cinematography
+ Fisk is just as terrifying as ever, now with more authority
+ Excellent "hook" to the show, can't wait to see where this story goes
- Matt's receding hairline
+ Great direction, cinematography
+ Fisk is just as terrifying as ever, now with more authority
+ Excellent "hook" to the show, can't wait to see where this story goes
- Matt's receding hairline
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
End of episode 2 is perfection.
Episode 2 is better overall seeing Fisk in action and Matt too.
I'm not a fan of a lot of these new characters. His new love interest is a major step down from ladies in the past… he's been with major hotties.
I get with the title and what they wanted was a cast reset but… seems like a bit of a misfire to do it since the original cast is loved lol. I'm unsure if they're going the comic route with it… if so it'll end up being fine. If it's a real death then yeah idk man. Bad call.
Episode 2 is better overall seeing Fisk in action and Matt too.
I'm not a fan of a lot of these new characters. His new love interest is a major step down from ladies in the past… he's been with major hotties.
I get with the title and what they wanted was a cast reset but… seems like a bit of a misfire to do it since the original cast is loved lol. I'm unsure if they're going the comic route with it… if so it'll end up being fine. If it's a real death then yeah idk man. Bad call.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I don't mind the new characters but I do agree his new love interest is a downgrade
I'm fine with the new casts as long as they are developed fully
I'm also happy that Disney didn't Disneyfied it at all and let them do their own thing. I just hope that it stays that way during this whole season
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Stupid FUD in the first place since Disney owned Marvel Television when the original series was made. Hell Disney owned Marvel throughout the entirety of the MCU with the exception of Iron Man. They bought Marvel in 2009.
They're filming S2 right now,
and Karen Page is in it
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He was going to be in Spider-Man 4 until Sony demanded another multiverse movie after all the money No Way Home made. It was going to be Spider-Man and Daredevil street level trying to figure out how to deal with the Hulk.
Oh, thats easy. DD just gets some vibranium bo-sticks and beats Hulk nearly to death, then they proceed to drain every bar in Hell's Kitchen. Spidey can be the designated driver. Credits
Mid credit scene: Last call at a piano bar with all of them singing "Piano Man".
Vyse
Gold Member
I actually like that idea. That could have been very cool.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
I will say this season is more in line for daredevil actually using his kit from the comics. Even swinging around the city.
It doesn't look good and they try to hide it with fast moving camera and nighttime shots.
The violence still seems to be there which is good but somehow feels off. Almost like they are trying to go through it fast or with quick cuts. Felt like Netflix had a slower tempo intentionally so it felt meaty. I'm coming off watching all of season 3 just this last week and a half so it's very fresh.
Also Kirsten McDuffie is a major miscast.
This is her in the comics…
Same with Heather Glenn:
It doesn't look good and they try to hide it with fast moving camera and nighttime shots.
The violence still seems to be there which is good but somehow feels off. Almost like they are trying to go through it fast or with quick cuts. Felt like Netflix had a slower tempo intentionally so it felt meaty. I'm coming off watching all of season 3 just this last week and a half so it's very fresh.
Also Kirsten McDuffie is a major miscast.
This is her in the comics…
Same with Heather Glenn:
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yes it is fantastic
Yeah but the show does look better than the Netflix show and it looks like they were given the proper budget
I agree with you there even though I love the fight scenes so far.
Also Kirsten McDuffie is a major miscast.
This is her in the comics…
Same with Heather Glenn:
I think the actresses who play those two roles in the show do a good job. I agree that they should have went the more attractive route with them in regards to looks. Matt Murdock dating Aunties
My issue with the Daredevil show on Netflix is the second half of Season 2 I especially didn't like. I felt some of the fights near the end looked like it belonged in a CW show.
And I'm not saying Netflix show is bad though, I'm just saying there's some stuff I didn't like. As for Season 3, that's my favorite season
It was funny though since everytime Bulleye was throwing stuff, I was reminded of this character from Mystery Men
What I'm happy about especially with the new Daredevil show
What I was annoyed about with the MCU is how most of the villains stay dead after one movie. Bulleye surviving is a good call and I'm happy they stuck with Foggy dying. I also think Karan Page should have died too but that's because was never a fan of her character in the show
And I really like the fight scenes. That one shot take at the beginning of the first episode was vastly different from the one shot take fight scenes we saw in the Netflix shoe. I love those scenes but I appreciate the fact that they made it different and actually was successful in being quite memorable
That fight scene at the end of episode 2 was fantastic too. You can see Murdock hesitation on not wanting to fight but being forced to. When the fight actually starts, it's quick, brutal and quite satisfying to watch
BTW I also like Netflix slow fight scenes too. So I get why you like those scenes better
The whole Wilson Fisk thing becoming Mayor is interesting to say the least. I recently found out that there is a Marvel Comic Event called Devil's Reign which is basically that plot line. It is on my To Read List
Now I am hoping for appearences from Claire Temple in this season or next season. She is one of my favorite characters from the OG Show.
And I really like the fight scenes. That one shot take at the beginning of the first episode was vastly different from the one shot take fight scenes we saw in the Netflix shoe. I love those scenes but I appreciate the fact that they made it different and actually was successful in being quite memorable
That fight scene at the end of episode 2 was fantastic too. You can see Murdock hesitation on not wanting to fight but being forced to. When the fight actually starts, it's quick, brutal and quite satisfying to watch
BTW I also like Netflix slow fight scenes too. So I get why you like those scenes better
The whole Wilson Fisk thing becoming Mayor is interesting to say the least. I recently found out that there is a Marvel Comic Event called Devil's Reign which is basically that plot line. It is on my To Read List
Now I am hoping for appearences from Claire Temple in this season or next season. She is one of my favorite characters from the OG Show.
I went in mostly blind with this show and am pleasantly surprised by how good it is. I'm pretty sure it's by the same showrunner who did the Netflix show
I wanted to ask any Daredevil Runs or Storylines you reccomand when it comes to the comics?
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Daredevil comics the best place to start is Frank Miller with Man without Fear and Born Again. Two quick and easy to digest books without much fluff. Older so it may not be the "best" by todays standards but sets the base for anything of him you want to read after by any other authors.Yes it is fantastic
Yeah but the show does look better than the Netflix show and it looks like they were given the proper budget
I agree with you there even though I love the fight scenes so far.
I think the actresses who play those two roles in the show do a good job. I agree that they should have went the more attractive route with them in regards to looks. Matt Murdock dating Aunties
My issue with the Daredevil show on Netflix is the second half of Season 2 I especially didn't like. I felt some of the fights near the end looked like it belonged in a CW show.
And I'm not saying Netflix show is bad though, I'm just saying there's some stuff I didn't like. As for Season 3, that's my favorite season
It was funny though since everytime Bulleye was throwing stuff, I was reminded of this character from Mystery Men
What I'm happy about especially with the new Daredevil show
What I was annoyed about with the MCU is how most of the villains stay dead after one movie. Bulleye surviving is a good call and I'm happy they stuck with Foggy dying. I also think Karan Page should have died too but that's because was never a fan of her character in the show
And I really like the fight scenes. That one shot take at the beginning of the first episode was vastly different from the one shot take fight scenes we saw in the Netflix shoe. I love those scenes but I appreciate the fact that they made it different and actually was successful in being quite memorable
That fight scene at the end of episode 2 was fantastic too. You can see Murdock hesitation on not wanting to fight but being forced to. When the fight actually starts, it's quick, brutal and quite satisfying to watch
BTW I also like Netflix slow fight scenes too. So I get why you like those scenes better
The whole Wilson Fisk thing becoming Mayor is interesting to say the least. I recently found out that there is a Marvel Comic Event called Devil's Reign which is basically that plot line. It is on my To Read List
Now I am hoping for appearences from Claire Temple in this season or next season. She is one of my favorite characters from the OG Show.
I went in mostly blind with this show and am pleasantly surprised by how good it is. I'm pretty sure it's by the same showrunner who did the Netflix show
I wanted to ask any Daredevil Runs or Storylines you reccomand when it comes to the comics?
This list is all good stuff. Zdaraky is the best modern stuff. Art, story, etc. Grab his omnibuses or full volumes if you want to go the longer route.
17 Best Daredevil Comics For New Fans To Start With
With Daredevil and Kingpin's re-debut in the MCU, these are the best comics for new fans of the Man Without Fear to start with.
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Daredevil comics the best place to start is Frank Miller with Man without Fear and Born Again. Two quick and easy to digest books without much fluff. Older so it may not be the "best" by todays standards but sets the base for anything of him you want to read after by any other authors.
This list is all good stuff. Zdaraky is the best modern stuff. Art, story, etc. Grab his omnibuses or full volumes if you want to go the longer route.
17 Best Daredevil Comics For New Fans To Start With
With Daredevil and Kingpin's re-debut in the MCU, these are the best comics for new fans of the Man Without Fear to start with.
I'd go Miller, Bendis, then the modern stuff.
Was there ever a TMNT/DD crossover? Surely there must be, right?
If not then they MUST have a scene where DD and Punisher run into an obvious Casey with mask and 4 squat dudes in trenchcoats and fedoras. PLEASE!
I also want a Punisher ep where he's patrolling in a big muscle car, sees two guys fighting with swords in an alley, one gets beheaded, and Castle lights the other up to seemingly no effect until he's stabbed and left for dead
If not then they MUST have a scene where DD and Punisher run into an obvious Casey with mask and 4 squat dudes in trenchcoats and fedoras. PLEASE!
I also want a Punisher ep where he's patrolling in a big muscle car, sees two guys fighting with swords in an alley, one gets beheaded, and Castle lights the other up to seemingly no effect until he's stabbed and left for dead
Watched the first two episodes and thought it was pretty good, albeit with some misjudgements. It starts badly, with a horrible CGI shot when Daredevil makes his first appearance (the movement on his landing, in particular, is incredibly artificial) and a fight scene which tries to emulate the one-take fights from the Netflix show, except conceals most of the fight behind smoke and closed doors and other gimmicks: it seemed ridiculous that Daredevil and Bullseye tired so quickly, and it took a while for me to notice how many knives Daredevil had sticking out of him. More time was also needed with Foggy in this specific season for the emotion of his death to land: it must be pushing a decade since the Netflix show ended, so the connection between him, Karen and Matt needed to be rebuilt.
The rest of the episode improved as it went on, culminating in the fantastic scene between Matt and Fisk at the diner: I'm a sucker for hero-villain conversations and this one emphasized what seems to be the theme of the series in a way that was clear without being gratingly obvious. Vincent D'Onofrio is such perfect casting that every Fisk scene in both episodes is a highlight, though his election to mayor needed to take place over a few episodes: as it is, he appeared to be a last-second candidate who somehow galvanised the entire city behind him despite barely being seen doing anything. Not being a comics reader, I don't know this storyline at all, but I like the parallels between Matt and (seemingly) Fisk trying to embrace their better angels after a trauma - or at least, keep their devils suppressed as much as they can. I'm surprised Matt's religious leanings barely factored into the story as it seems that would have been a potent avenue for his character to track: does his faith tell him to keep Daredevil retired, to believe in the grace of the men within the justice system and avoiding collateral damage, or does it compel him to recognise the existence of injustice and corruption and seek retribution? I feel there's a conflict there being missed, but as far as introductory episodes go, it was a solid start.
The second episode was better still, with the plot about the White Tiger accidentally killing a corrupt cop making for a very compelling hook. Fisk's machinations in office were engaging - D'Onofrio gives such a naturally compelling performance it's hard not to be carried along - and kept up the ambiguity about whether he's genuinely trying to do some good or simply 'gaming the system' by having his manipulation of the police chief not be an explicit threat of violence: it could have been a threat against the child's life, or just a threat to expose him. I like the character showing his cunning instead of just brute strength, a hint that his dark side is still very much there even if so far kept within limits. The final scene of Matt confronting the corrupt cops at the survivor's flat was great, with him desperately trying not to become Daredevil again until he had no choice, but the impact of his scream at the end was utterly ruined by the dreadful punk-rock song played over the credits. The audience should have been allowed to take in Matt's anger at being forced back into his Daredevil side, but also the cathartic thrill he got from it, but instead of resting on that conflict the episode seemed to be trying to say 'isn't it BADASS that Daredevil's back?', aggressively missing the mark.
As someone who has been very much on the 'sick of Marvel and superheroes' bandwagon for years, of the stuff I've seen, early signs suggest this has more thematic depth, better character writing and a more idiosyncratic style than anything they've put out in a very long time. Flawed for sure, but only in individual moments rather than the whole series feeling compromised by a bland house style, rote character and story beats, or the need to force splashy action scenes in where they don't belong. Fingers crossed subsequent episodes can keep the quality up.
The rest of the episode improved as it went on, culminating in the fantastic scene between Matt and Fisk at the diner: I'm a sucker for hero-villain conversations and this one emphasized what seems to be the theme of the series in a way that was clear without being gratingly obvious. Vincent D'Onofrio is such perfect casting that every Fisk scene in both episodes is a highlight, though his election to mayor needed to take place over a few episodes: as it is, he appeared to be a last-second candidate who somehow galvanised the entire city behind him despite barely being seen doing anything. Not being a comics reader, I don't know this storyline at all, but I like the parallels between Matt and (seemingly) Fisk trying to embrace their better angels after a trauma - or at least, keep their devils suppressed as much as they can. I'm surprised Matt's religious leanings barely factored into the story as it seems that would have been a potent avenue for his character to track: does his faith tell him to keep Daredevil retired, to believe in the grace of the men within the justice system and avoiding collateral damage, or does it compel him to recognise the existence of injustice and corruption and seek retribution? I feel there's a conflict there being missed, but as far as introductory episodes go, it was a solid start.
The second episode was better still, with the plot about the White Tiger accidentally killing a corrupt cop making for a very compelling hook. Fisk's machinations in office were engaging - D'Onofrio gives such a naturally compelling performance it's hard not to be carried along - and kept up the ambiguity about whether he's genuinely trying to do some good or simply 'gaming the system' by having his manipulation of the police chief not be an explicit threat of violence: it could have been a threat against the child's life, or just a threat to expose him. I like the character showing his cunning instead of just brute strength, a hint that his dark side is still very much there even if so far kept within limits. The final scene of Matt confronting the corrupt cops at the survivor's flat was great, with him desperately trying not to become Daredevil again until he had no choice, but the impact of his scream at the end was utterly ruined by the dreadful punk-rock song played over the credits. The audience should have been allowed to take in Matt's anger at being forced back into his Daredevil side, but also the cathartic thrill he got from it, but instead of resting on that conflict the episode seemed to be trying to say 'isn't it BADASS that Daredevil's back?', aggressively missing the mark.
As someone who has been very much on the 'sick of Marvel and superheroes' bandwagon for years, of the stuff I've seen, early signs suggest this has more thematic depth, better character writing and a more idiosyncratic style than anything they've put out in a very long time. Flawed for sure, but only in individual moments rather than the whole series feeling compromised by a bland house style, rote character and story beats, or the need to force splashy action scenes in where they don't belong. Fingers crossed subsequent episodes can keep the quality up.
kindaGoth
Member
No crossover with TMNT yet but it's Kevin Eastman's greatest crossover desire and he co-ceased TMNT.Was there ever a TMNT/DD crossover? Surely there must be, right?
If not then they MUST have a scene where DD and Punisher run into an obvious Casey with mask and 4 squat dudes in trenchcoats and fedoras. PLEASE!
I also want a Punisher ep where he's patrolling in a big muscle car, sees two guys fighting with swords in an alley, one gets beheaded, and Castle lights the other up to seemingly no effect until he's stabbed and left for dead
With the major success of his recent TMNT comic "The Last Ronin", which has been the top-selling graphic novel for a couple years now, it's more likely than ever that Marvel green lights a crossover.
March Climber
Member
I recommend watching at 1.25 speed.
No need to watch a recap on Echo, here are three things you need to know from it:
Maya was raised to be a killer by Fisk, she gains a spirit power, and at the end she uses a healing power to cure his past trauma/anger
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's not bad. More focused on Kingpin than I'd prefer, and like a lot of MCU stuff it relies on you having seen other shows to fully understand everything. But Cox is great, Vincent is looking old and shrunken but still has the gravitas, and the fights are good.Its good?
It feels a little silly that they just casually discuss things like "well his mystic amulet that gives him powers wasn't there so it shouldn't be mentioned in evidence" but given everything else in the MCU, I suppose that's just the world now. It's very jarring in a grounded show to have superheroes feel that they gotta be vigilantes instead of just being super-cops or federal agents. Or using their powers openly in other aspects of life. But that's the comic book genre in a nutshell when it stops being for kids and tries to appeal to adults, those cracks appear,
Zephyranthes
Member
Great start so far. If I could describe in one word what made the previous seasons of Daredevil great, it would be "intensity", and somehow Marvel managed to preserve enough of that intensity so that this could still feel like a semi-natural continuation after Season 3. Cox and D'onofrio are still killing it.
I do wonder one thing, though: did Marvel fire all of their good CG animators after Endgame? The shot with DD swinging around in the opening scene was so terrible I actually laughed at my TV. Maybe I'm looking at the past with rose-tinted glasses, but I feel like the quality of CG work has been way worse since 2020.
I do wonder one thing, though: did Marvel fire all of their good CG animators after Endgame? The shot with DD swinging around in the opening scene was so terrible I actually laughed at my TV. Maybe I'm looking at the past with rose-tinted glasses, but I feel like the quality of CG work has been way worse since 2020.
There was a high-level producer at Marvel (like #2 or 3 after Feige) who was in charge of VFX and she rode the VFX houses so hard and was so horrible to them (like, they'd finish shots and then she'd demand them be completely changed) that it turned most VFX contractors against Marvel. They fired her.
She was also the one who didn't want to use the X-Men name because of men.
March Climber
Member
From what I have heard about Across the Spiderverse, Beyond the Spiderverse, and a couple of DC movies, this seems to be growing problem.
I cannot understand why certain steps are being skipped to where storyboarding changes are happening during or after the CGI has already been made. It sounds like a nightmare.
Because these films are being made by a committee, not a director. They are getting push-over "yes people" to 'direct' a film thats been pre-written for the action scenes and all the "we must introduce this here to set up that there for a D+ show". It's ruining all their stuff, Marvel and Star Wars. as well as DC and other 'shared universe' nonsense.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I loved the first Spiderverse movie but I felt the second film was boring ass fanservice tripe. Lot of these movies and shows have been ruined by commitees and I agree it's not only Disney that has been heavily effected by this
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I dug it. When is the third one coming out? Wasn't it supposed to be out like a year ago?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
That's been delayed so many times that I forgot lol