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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Because that's the general conclusion the video / article come to after their testing.
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Confirmed: PlayStation 5 and PS5 Pro Have VRR Stuttering Problems
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Because that's the general conclusion the video / article come to after their testing.
Yes which is why I said typical DF jumping to that conclusion.
Kerotan
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Same I never notice this but then again I can play PS3 games that run sub 30. I don't deny this exists though.
intbal
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The TV is refreshing at 119.88, the frame delivery is fluctuating due to VRR. Ollie's camera is capturing at... who knows what framerate. Then it gets processed through youtube.
With all those asynchronizations, there's very little chance you're going to see what his eyes are seeing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I mean .. if that's what you feel then ok, but they tested 19 different games on at least 2, 3 different displays. The testing is pretty thorough.
Not all games show the issue, some do. If it was a display issue, it would generally be the same case in all of them.
Killjoy-NL
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Maybe, but I haven't noticed anything while playing all this time either.
This is literally the first time I've seen it being mentioned anywhere.
ShadyAcshuns
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No FreeSync, no Dolby Vision. What the hell, Sony? Just shitty basic HDR10.
willothedog
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PlayStation Stuttering Shimmering Resolution for the win 
Mibu no ookami
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Were any other devices tested specifically to HDMI 2.1 VRR and not Freesync?
That's not really how tv firmware works...
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Mr Moose
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PlayStation Stuttering Shimmering Resolution for the win
kevboard
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well it eliminates 1 possible issue.
but given that it now very much seems that the whole "LG patched it" thing is not true, and given that LG TVs, LG PC Monitors, and Samsung TVs exhibit the same exact issue down to the 20min warmup time and the 8 second stutter interval, it all points towards this being an issue with the PS5 specifically.
LG display panels, Samsung's Chinese sourced LCD panels, multiple different chipsets.
I have a sony bravia TV with VRR and never see any stuttering on my Pro with it enabled.
Same, never seen anything like this on my Bravia Tvs and I am sensitive to this stuff
rsouzadk
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Mr Moose
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Who asked you to buy a Pro?
This is any PS5.
yes i know and the hype asked me to.
rodrigolfp
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They don't notice bad IQ, bad frame rate, bad input lag, bad anisotropic filtering, etc so some stuttering is even less noticeable... good for them.They gonna say they dont notice it. Buuuuuut.. on pc though
Shockwave_Fox
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Is this a crapgamer thumbnail?Alright, Spencer. You have your opening. Take it.
Ive only noticed shitty VRR on Rocket League at 120 on PS5 personally so I wish they would make it better like on Series X but Ive only really been playing things at 60fps lately.
SuperC
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I noticed that ps5 have worse frametimes in general compared to pc and xbox, my theory is you better have gpu headroom to have a smooth performance and sony maxed out the gpu in the ps5 causing stutter and frametime issues
Pics taken from this video
Pics taken from this video
Mr Moose
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None of those are Xbox. Also nothing to do with this topic.I noticed that ps5 have worse frametimes in general compared to pc and xbox, my theory is you better have gpu headroom to have a smooth performance and sony maxed out the gpu in the ps5 causing stutter and frametime issues
Pics taken from this video
Vsync is on on PS5, it isn't on PC.
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Deerock71
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Bad news from DF about the PS5…
TheAtomicPile
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This is where I'm at. The concept of VRR is great but it's rare to see it work without issue for extended periods of time.
Especially if you're someone who is sensitive to the stuttering and flickers it can introduce, you're not going to get enough value out of it to look past the negatives.
Turned it off completely on PC/PS5 a few months ago and haven't looked back.
Mibu no ookami
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Where did you see the "LG patched it thing" isn't true?
It is a problem to some games. It is sensationalized. Majority of games does not have this issue. Those with issue is barely noticeable. Hey, even a $1000 gpu with a $3000 pc rig has this issue. Nothing is perfect. It is just adding fire to PS5 versus PC master race war.
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kevboard
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someone linked the source of that info earlier, and the patch was an unrelated issue only on LG that affected all consoles and PCs.
that issue was patched by LG but the PS5 specific 8 second stutter issue remains and is happening across different vendors.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The feature is net positive mostly. If a game offers unlocked FPS options, I generally keep it locked for consistency so issues like this don't creep up, but in general VRR is great. No tearing and less judder, even if the PS5's support is limited, I have had no reason to disable the system level toggle since they added support. Wish it had broader Freesync support like Xbox, wider range would be nicer.
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Mr Moose
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Fucking hate screen tearing. It's not so bad if it's right at the top but when it is going through the whole image, fuck that. VRR to the rescue.
kazuyamishima
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rofif
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It's absolutely it the same type of stutter and not even close. Took months for anyone to notice. Might've even been there since very was introduced few years ago on ps5. That's how small of a problem it is.They gonna say they dont notice it. Buuuuuut.. on pc though
It is still a real issue that has to be fixed. Of course.
Pc shader compilation stutter is entirely different. It's the kind of stutter that makes you miss input and kills you.
Astray
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He's waiting for the next time someone mentions Concord.
laynelane
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Radical_3d
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I haven't noticed until this Castle Vidcons-esque edit, where that guy looks like Lord Xbox, but the PS5 is low key the first 360 design.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Game actually looks pretty in this massively compressed and low res gif.He's COMING!!!
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Man these were so good, fuck 2013 was 3 billion years ago..I haven't noticed until this Castle Vidcons-esque edit, where that guy looks like Lord Xbox, but the PS5 is low key the first 360 design.
Radical_3d
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2013? These comics started early in the PS360 generation. Remember to check your blood for cholesterol
Team Andromeda
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VVR has been a bit of a joke on the PS5 from the start with the long wait for it and only on a per game basis at the start
Xbox Series X is simply better designed hardware MS did get some stuff right, shame about the PR but one can't have it all LOL
Xbox Series X is simply better designed hardware MS did get some stuff right, shame about the PR but one can't have it all LOL
Bojji
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To be honest I didn't notice it myself but the issue seems very real (tested on multiple consoles and displays) so it needs fixing.
I love that some people are downplaying this without even watching the video. Why you are doing this? You want issues to not be fixed because even mentioning them makes Sony look bad?
I think this could be related to bullshit refresh rates invented for ntsc: 59.94/119.98Hz vs. 60/120Hz. What is funny is that even nvidia driver sets refresh rate to 119.98Hz and 120Hz option is only available via Windows settings.
PS5 is using those idiotic NTSC RR:
Horrible pictures, I know.
I love that some people are downplaying this without even watching the video. Why you are doing this? You want issues to not be fixed because even mentioning them makes Sony look bad?
I think this could be related to bullshit refresh rates invented for ntsc: 59.94/119.98Hz vs. 60/120Hz. What is funny is that even nvidia driver sets refresh rate to 119.98Hz and 120Hz option is only available via Windows settings.
PS5 is using those idiotic NTSC RR:
Horrible pictures, I know.
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kevboard
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someone really needs to do testing on a Sony TV.
what if this issue is linked for a quirk with Sony TVs specifically
if internal tests are only done on Sony TVs, and those TVs somehow handle VRR differently than any other brand (wouldn't surprise me given how late to the game Sony was in general with VRR on their TVs) then it could explain why Sony didn't notice this issue
Clear
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Its because the VRR protocol is different. Its like Sony didn't choose to make the VRR frequency windows what they are, its part of the HDMI forum standard for VRR. Which is not the same as VSYNC/GSYNC which aren't tied to having a HDMI 2.1 port. If A TV's firmware implementation for that standard is imperfect, it doesn't follow that the other older protocols will suffer the same way.
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It is not game breaker and barely noticeable but I admit it is still a problem. But is this a software issue or hardware issue? And is it Ps5 or the Tv brand issue? Can sofware patch fix it?To be honest I didn't notice it myself but the issue seems very real (tested on multiple consoles and displays) so it needs fixing.
I love that some people are downplaying this without even watching the video. Why you are doing this? You want issues to not be fixed because even mentioning them makes Sony look bad?
I think this could be related to bullshit refresh rates invented for ntsc: 59.94/119.98Hz vs. 60/120Hz. What is funny is that even nvidia driver sets refresh rate to 119.98Hz and 120Hz option is only available via Windows settings.
PS5 is using those idiotic NTSC RR:
Horrible pictures, I know.
Mibu no ookami
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My guess is that it is an issue with how some TVs implement HDMI 2.1 VRR.
My hope is that Sony's fix for it is implementing AMD Freesync.
What's most likely is that we'll get some TV firmware update or rollbacks or if it is a Sony issue, a firmware update.
Bojji
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No one fully knows but I think it can be fixed with SW update. My guess is that system VRR setting is set with 60/120Hz while console outputs 59.94/119.88 and this is where it comes from. True 120Hz output or tweaks to VRR settings could fix this. BUT if this is hardware HDMI chip problem then we are fucked.
Or issue comes from something completely different...
So many tvs and monitors have the same issue? This is 90% on console side.
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