Ampere: Xbox #1 platform for EX33 and Oblivion
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What a time to be alive, two fantastic RPG's releasing within days of each other. And both on GP.
Gamers are truly eating good.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
For me personally the issue is that MS backend on PC is terrible. There are stability issues, patch issues, problems with space reclamation, issues with modding, performance and more.
It's just not worth it beyond occasionally using it as a "demo" through buying a cheap GamePass month. And on XSX I mainly play BC stuff and occasional games I get a big discount.
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mayham2199
Member
Honestly we've been eating for like the last three years. Gaming has been insane lately. I remember during the 360/ps4 days having to wait for something to come out to play. Now I'm having to just outright not even put something on my list because there's no chance I get to it.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Agreed. They should scrap the whole thing and just use BNet. It's barebones and ancient but it's at least perfectly functional. It's actually shocking how terrible their Xbox app is, and this is from the people who make the fucking OS.
Laptop1991
Member
It's on game pass to just download and play, why wouldn't it be no 1, it's not sales though and i wonder how many new subscribers signed up for a 20 year old remaster now matter how good the remaster is, and if PC gamers want to use mods they wont use PC game pass they will use Steam.
Alan Silvestro
Member
gamepass is a winrar
Where exactly did I say a GP download is equivalent to a sale?
Any positive news about GP seems to send some of you into a frenzy
a multicultural team of v
Member
Oddly enough the quotes in the OP stop two paragraphs short of your answer:
According to Ampere, and tracking players worldwide, the average playtime for Expedition 33 on Xbox was 2.2 hours, while it was 4.4 hours on PlayStation and Steam. Meanwhile for Oblivion, average play time was 3.6 hours on Steam, 3.8 hours on PlayStation and 2.2 hours again on Xbox.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I remember the days when people said Xbox gamers didn't have good taste and they wouldn't play JRPG style games, now here we are.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
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Mr Moose
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Buy*
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Hory.
Baemono
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
Damn if only someone would tell all these publishers releasing their games on Xbox that no one buys games there, we'd save them so much money. AAA games might not be going to $80 if someone did that. Shucks.
mayham2199
Member
To be clear that's not what this data shows. Do you know how many games I booted up on GP and never even played past 30 mins? Way more than the amount of games I actually played and finished.
NeverYouMind
Member
I have an Xbox and I still bought and played it on PC.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Xbox number one platform.
The usual suspects on Neogaf:
The usual suspects on Neogaf:
ChorizoPicozo
Member
this shows MS's wet dream (viral marketing) in action; doing they heavy lifting to spread the word. (of course the games need to capture the zeitgeist in the first place).
So, no more excuses and spin. GP will not create a bubble of success for a game; a truly successful game will reach people by its own merits.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Xbox number one platform.
The usual suspects on Neogaf:
Errr, how about, no.
Conflating players and buyers is plain bullshit because the buy-in spend and therefore actual level of interest is wildly different.
Jinxed
Member
Yep. Sandfall even posted it on their X.
So it means they sold aprox. 1m copies on ps5/pc while 800k played it on game pass. That's actually good, they're selling copies and making money with ps5/pc while they got the game pass microsoft dough & help for promoting the game etc... Good for them
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Exactly.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Obviously. However many millions of people with GamePass Ultimate wouldn't buy the game. They have it as long as they subscribe.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
wait, wat? is Game Pass....actually, Demo Pass?
Unfortunatecookie
Member
What are the splits per platform?
Makes sense because:
I love a good spin on data. But it's foolish to think people won't notice it.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.001
Great box, great games, great online, great service people.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Ah, yes, Ampere, an epitome of this gif.
We believe any report without any direct access to data or methodology now, and while we're at it let's ignore the sales data.
We believe any report without any direct access to data or methodology now, and while we're at it let's ignore the sales data.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Eh.....bigger news to me is that the game seems to have been a massive success. 120k+ peak on Steam which is the minority group for the game. Would have been higher had it not been for Game Pass obviously. Bulk of the revenue for the game is coming from PlayStation. Something tells me future Sandfall games won't start out on subscription services. They probably got a sweet deal from Microsoft to help fund their development, but ultimately I'm thinking they left a lot of sales revenue on the table.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I've edited my reply because I think it probably came off as too sarcastic and rude and I think that's not a good way to be, but let's take a step back and see if the guys making a living doing commentary on the state of the games industry, are covering the launch of this game and who also got an interview with the publisher are the ones that are getting it wrong, or if it's the people who are triggered by any metric by which one video game brand does well. Who is the most reliable witness? The publisher praising the platform? The guys serving the industry, or the guy unhealthily attached to shitting on a video game brand.
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DenchDeckard
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Ffs. It's gone from ... " do people play these games on xbox..no one plays xbox"
To
" ok, xbox and gamepass has the numbers but who's playing more"
You're getting into some real psychology here.
To
" ok, xbox and gamepass has the numbers but who's playing more"
You're getting into some real psychology here.
calico
Member
'Who's playing more' just confirms what common sense tells us already: that 'players' on game pass are not (in a commercial sense) the equivalent of 'players' elsewhere who had to pay for the game to play it.
The statement in the article about Oblivion actually helping Exp33 because it made people think about RPGs that week is pretty funny. Ok bro.
The statement in the article about Oblivion actually helping Exp33 because it made people think about RPGs that week is pretty funny. Ok bro.
Seems to me looking at the numbers and game time is that lots of people have tried both games and then dropped them pretty soonish.Hold on.........I'm noticing a pattern here.
I suppose that's one plus to gamepass, you can use it as a demo service.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I spent well over 20 years working in the industry, but I've frankly little desire to go back in any capacity, thanks.
You don't need a MBA to understand that when "players" is used as a metric its essentially about engagement. Sales on the other hand is much more about revenue.
Obviously either without further context is meaningless; engagement matters most when there are ads being served, and revenue is generated primarily based on impressions, and when it comes to sales the revenue per unit is obviously the key.
So when you see articles like this, which freely conflates the two without further context, its pointedly obvious that its serving a marketing, not analytical purpose.
The bottom line is real simple: If a product isn't ad-supported or the basis of further monetization (e.g GaaS), then the only real metric of success is revenue generated by units sold. Anything else is just obfuscating bullshit used to create a certain impression. i.e. marketing.
In the context of GamePass its actually quite difficult to get any sort of real conclusive read. The number of downloads/plays shows interest, yes. BUT, that number is largely governed by the subscriber base size for the reporting window, which is an independent variable based on what that number was prior (e.g. general health of the service) and cannot easily be used to isolate benefit in terms of retention/new subs without first filtering to exclude other titles on the service concurrently that may be masking its effect. e.g. Oblivion remaster.
The only thing that can be obviously said is that if MS had high hopes for Ex 33 to give them serious uplift on GP subs/retention they wouldn't have released Oblivion at the same time - given that Bethesda's game targets a comparable demographic and their simultaneous appearance dilutes the revenue impact for both - individually as products and as together as service drivers.
In short, this is not indicative of MS' finally getting their shit together in regards of their publishing pipeline, its just more evidence of wastefulness and poor portfolio management.
That's my analysis. Enjoy.
drganon
Member
It's not true Ai art if an appendage isn't clipping through something.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
You ought to post like that more often, very interesting, thanks!
Orbital2060
Member
How would anyone know /played on console?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Some of this definitely makes sense. Someone on a rental service is going to digest media differently to someone who has purchased an item and feels they want to get their moneys worth. Its simple psychology, almost an extension of buyers justification. Also, theres plenty more factors but all interesting if you want to analyse data.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
I hope the developers have a contract with MS for total players and not time played then, they deserve to be paid.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Xbox number one platform.
The usual suspects on Neogaf:
Are you seriously comparing the value of sales versus engagement?
Does your company pay you in hugs and emotional support or actual money? Can you tell the difference between the two?
Horseganador
Member
It's normal that Xbox is the platform where most people have tried those games for a while because of the GP... but then when it comes to playing them and putting in the hours, PS5 and Steam rule.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I'd sure hope so given that everything is an Xbox.
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
I'm sure the devs are counting that Xbox.
Of course they are, they get a huge amount of money to guarantee the studios success and survival wether the game bombs or lands well.
It's weird we're now comparing hours played on Gamepass now its proving to be the number 1 place players are playing, that's the entire point of Gamepass to try new games that you never typically would and if you don't like them after a couple hours no harm done.
So yes play time will always be down on average compared to someone paying $80 for a title and now they have to get their monies worth compared to someone who pays $20 a month for gamepass and may typically never play RPGs.
