MMaRsu
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Who cares?
If consumers play the game, isnt that whats ultimately important?
For the consumers?
I love how we are all shareholders here and only care about actual sales, not if people can actually experience a product.
Ampere: Xbox #1 platform for EX33 and Oblivion
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If consumers play the game, isnt that whats ultimately important?
For the consumers?
I love how we are all shareholders here and only care about actual sales, not if people can actually experience a product.
Mr Moose
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For consumers? Yes. For news like this? No, it's a stupid stat.
Gaiff
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It's not Xbox gamers, it's PC gamers on Game Pass, or do you seriously think there are more Xbox players playing Oblivion than PC players?
The game is carried by PC and PS. The tiny amount of Xbox players didn't even buy it and they're dwarfed by PC Game Pass.
Donald mac Ronald
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If you think The money from gamepass is the equivalent to 1 million sales at full price for a niche game. Then you're high on kojima's farts.
Its very fucking obvious why they took the gamepass money for it. They know their audience isn't on Xbox. They know Xbox gamers have been conditioned not to buy games. It made sense to take the gamepass money as it would have not even sold 200k there.
Xbox are clearly using pc gamepass users in their metrics.
DenchDeckard
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Game deserves to be played by millions.
Just gotta say. I fucking love play anywhere. This game looks so nice on PC! jeeebus!
Just gotta say. I fucking love play anywhere. This game looks so nice on PC! jeeebus!
DenchDeckard
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You're talking pure breeze, mate. Gamepass has never been as huge on PC as it is on Console. unless the argument is now all the subscribers are on PC. You're just moving goal posts and its nonsensical.
You have no idea how big oblivion was on Xbox. There will be millions playing it on XBOX series console game pass.
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Gaiff
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Yes, please tell us how those 30M Xbox consoles are dwarfing the 150M+ PC and PS players.
Microsoft has done exactly this for this reason. To trick gullible people like you into thinking Xbox is succeeding by muddying the waters by converting PC players into Xbox ones.
Neither do you, but we have hard data for hundreds of games and Xbox is completely irrelevant in all of them. Now we use numbers that makes no distinction between PC and Xbox and we're suddenly supposed to believe the player base just exploded on Xbox when even in the heyday of the 360, they ignored turn-based RPGs? Lol.
Coincidentally, PC Game Pass has also increased by 45% yoy.
https://www.windowscentral.com/gami...me-pass-hits-45-percent-year-over-year-growth
The majority of players are not on Xbox lol.
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skyfinch
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Xbox was a caterpillar in 2020. Now with the exciting news of a price increases, it's finally blossoming into the beautiful emerald green butterfly we all expected it to. It's migration path? Straight into gamer's hearts.
PS5 owners bout to watch Xbox spread their wings and dominate the market.
PS5 owners bout to watch Xbox spread their wings and dominate the market.
DenchDeckard
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OMG, you are clueless dude. percentages mean nothing without numbered data. There could have been 1 million PC gamepass subscribers and now it has moved to 1.45 million and still 25 million on console.
I can't believe you can actually be this clueless.
Majority of players are not on Xbox, LMAO.
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Gaiff
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You'd need to prove it and you can't. However, I can prove the sales on Xbox have been disastrous for years and that the numbers don't add up.
Fanboy nonsense. Where did those Xbox players magically come from? A 30M platform with people that never cared for turn-based RPGs has more players than 150M+? Sure lol.
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Baemono
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We know from the trial that the PC game pass user number is like 3 million or something, nothing huge, the vast majority of GP subscribers are on console.
Or maybe you're talking about something else and I didn't get it
DenchDeckard
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I can't believe you are being this far off base. You are not using any form of logic at all. Users like yourself have struggled with any success of Xbox and here we are.
Do you think that the 10s of millions of console gamepass users just magically turn into PC player overnight?
Lets make it simple for you. Its not difficult. for those 70 million PS5 users. They have to purchase the game either digitally or physically. Even decent selling games struggle to hit 10 percent of a userbase on Playstation or Xbox in lifetime sales. At the last update from the devs they SOLD 1 million copies. So that is 1 million copies SOLD across PC (steam), PS5 and to a lesser degree Xbox store (PC and Xbox).
Theres literally 20million plus gamepass users on Xbox CONSOLES that can launch the game and play it as a part of their subscription and you are putting your hands over your ears, refusing to believe that xbox consoles can have more PLAYERS.
You cant be this far off base, surely?
Its common sense.
Also, what dream world are you living in where xbox users don't play turn based games. Persona, octopath traveller, Infinite wealth and more have found an audience on Xbox and we are still having to put up with this absolute tales from your ass statements that users like yourself make. Absolutely embarrassing.
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Gaiff
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Where did you get that 3 million figure from?
Again, what fucking success? It's PC + Xbox, not Xbox alone and we know Xbox is irrelevant. Stop this shit.
No, I believe that this game was carried by PC + PS5 and that Microsoft is intentionally muddying the waters to make Xbox appear better by lumping in PC Game Pass users with Xbox users.
20M is fucking nothing. Are you joking? Even assuming a 30-70 split for Game Pass in favor of Xbox, the breakdown would still be:
Steam: 25%
PC Game Pass: 13.5%
Steam + PC Game Pass: 38.5%
PS: 30%
Xbox: 31.5%
So even using that figure, Xbox would account for just 31.5% total of the players, but it's made even worse by considering how unprofitable Game Pass is compared to traditional sales. We're looking at a tiny % of the revenues actually generated by Xbox players. How the hell is that a "win" for Xbox? Same story as usual. PC and PlayStation carry the game, not fucking Xbox Game Pass users.
DenchDeckard
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You are literally pulling numbers out of your ass. I'm done debating with you. Just carry on being salty.
Baemono
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The documents leaked/showed during the ABK trial
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Lol, no. I theorized one number and gave Xbox a 70-30 advantage. All the rest is from the article. This is not a win for Xbox. Take off the fanbboy goggles. They still aren't buying games and all the actual money comes from PC and Xbox, not your 30M user base console that pays $1/month to play games.
I don't recall 3M, but this was what, 2 years ago? Microsoft reported 45% PC Game Pass growth yoy from 2024, so 3M is woefully outdated.
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Astray
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OK buddy sure.
DenchDeckard
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So we can assume maybe 5 million or a touch more if we are being conservative.
No, you literally got salty because you couldn't handle that Xbox players are playing this game and went on some weird holier than though rant about PC gamers and Playstation users being REAL gamers or some weird shit like that. We've heard it for years but more publishers are putting their JRPGs on Xbox than ever. You're talking shit, basically. Its cool. We can all be wrong sometimes. Hopefully you step away and realise how far off base you are.
Baemono
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Almost 3 years ago yeah, so clearly outdated.
Regarding the 45% Game Pass growth, I wouldn't trust the Microsoft PR spin on this. They kept reporting GP growth over the years each quarter without numbers, and they finally disclosed they have 34 million including core users, from the 25 GP + 11 Gold users they disclosed during the previous year, which isn't really growth based on how I do math.
But I am no expert.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I said nothing about them being real gamers lol. I contextualized the obvious bullshit attempt from Microsoft at making things seem better than they are. That's why they stopped reporting Xbox consoles sold and are now just using the term "Xbox" even though millions of PC players are included in there.
And do those JRPGs sell on Xbox?
"Xbox players" when those include a huge chunk of PC players. Actual copies sold on PS5 and PC making up at least 55% of the total sold and an even higher number in revenues, but great news for Xbox lol. The Game Pass bros ain't paying for the game, play fewer hours, but we're supposed to be celebrating this. Meanwhile, consoles sales are down the drain and still somehow getting worse when we thought they had already hit rock bottom.
DenchDeckard
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No one is asking you to celebrate anything. You are the one that made some strange statement that its just PC and Playstation playing the game. Its just downright weird tbh. PC gamepass players are not even 25% of the overall Gamepass userbase, yet you are here saying Xbox console users are not playing the game. Its just odd.
You do know that even if those 1 million sales were all playstation it would be 1/70th of the PS5 userbase and you are the one talking about percentages of overall users.....I just don't understand what you are trying to paint or achieve.
I couldn't give a fuck at how MS messages their "wins" i was just calling out your sheer incompetence.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
We know this?
Pedro Motta
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Number one? In dollars or engagement?
DenchDeckard
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Prices going up across the board, it seems like gaming isnt profitable enough for any of these publishers in the west yet the finger consistently gets pointed at Microsoft and Gamepass. Sales are not keeping the industry afloat either. Its why I don't concern myself with any of it and just pay for Gamepass and the games I want to buy. Ive heard how gamepass isn't sustainable for like 7 years on here and still seen studios close, with layoffs left and right.
I wish everyone could just enjoy games they want to enjoy and hope the games they enjoy find enough success to keep the studios afloat. Doesnt matter if the revenue / profits are coming from sales or money from MS for gamepass additions.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, I'm saying you going "and people said Xbox gamers have no taste" was moronic and this scenario in no way disproves this notion. They're not buying this game, Game Pass players have half the play time of Steam and PS5 players, and to top it all off, those "Xbox" players include a big chunk of PC players.
The point is that Xbox is still as irrelevant as ever. This changes nothing.
You mean by ignoring hard data? By ignoring that Xbox sales dropped 6% yoy? By ignoring that "Xbox" contains PC players as well? By ignoring that Game Pass doesn't translate to sales and revenues for the publisher and more? lol.
Yes? Have you seen the lump sums Microsoft gives? Good for small publishers who need money upfront, but for anything AA and above, it's fucking miserable. Traditional sales are far more profitable.
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vaibhavpisal
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Usually when a game start showing in this section on xbox app, its doing big on xbox consoles.
Gaiff
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Of course, it's doing big on Xbox, no one is disputing that, but doing big on Xbox means nothing, because Xbox isn't doing well.Usually when a game start showing in this section on xbox app, its doing big on xbox consoles.
vaibhavpisal
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Are there more Oblivion players out there or xbox consoles?
Its very much possible. This list is reached by very few games. 1-2 per year outside normal Fifa, COD etc.
Topher
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Then you are calling bullshit on this entire article since it is nothing but percentages.
Gaiff
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DeepEnigma
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This shows us everything we need to know.
People invest more time in things they buy, versus renting and trying for mere minutes in contrast.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And my rant isn't even because I have something against Xbox specifically. I'm just fed up with all the evasive data. This started way back in 2015 when Microsoft stopped reporting Xbox One sales and when we claimed it was because they were embarrassing, you had their defense forces come and say it was because Xbox was more than just a console. Then lo and behold, it turns out it was because the numbers were abysmal.
What irks me with those "engagement" metrics and "players" is that they're too often used to mislead people. I'm not saying high engagement means the game didn't succeed, I'm saying that a lot of the time, they're used to cover up a game's failings. Star Wars Outlaws and Veilguard sure seemed to have good engagement metrics, but they were both duds.
That's what annoys me with all this. Muddying the waters and thinking people are idiots who can't see through this.
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DenchDeckard
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Absolutely.
Topher
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Engagement data is especially warped when we are mixing engagement from sales and engagement from subscriptions. The two should not be combined, but publishers do that because they combined number makes it look better, obviously.
Here is an example. Engagement numbers count me equally on both PC Game Pass and PlayStation. The actual numbers though:
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Little Chicken
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I can't keep up with the desperate spin, mental gymnastics and goal post shifting in this thread.
Game Pass always gets them rattled
Game Pass always gets them rattled
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DenchDeckard
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I completely agree in the muddying of waters. Its like investors now obsess over how many eyes they have on their content over sales etc. Its happening everywhere.
DeepEnigma
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Topher
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Ok, but sucks the wind out of your initial Xbox flex here if this is all bullshit.
Baemono
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(Didn't meant the « girl » part, but that was the only gif translating what I wanted to express)
DenchDeckard
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I'm just happy people are playing a great game. I don't get why people are so insecure about what Xbox users play and this weird flex to downplay positive performance on this game. I also dont understand how it changes the flex at all. People are playing this game on every platform it is on.
vaibhavpisal
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Diablo 4 also had xbox as biggest platform upon release on gamepass.
Not sure why this in doubt.
Not sure why this in doubt.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I don't. I used to love Xbox until the Xbox 360, but what I cannot stand is incompetence. I hate it even more when one doesn't own up to it and tries to pass it off as success.
(Didn't meant the « girl » part, but that was the only gif translating what I wanted to express)
Baemono
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I mean you summerized the so-called « hate » against Xbox, which isn't about the brand, but rather the constant failure and the PR explaining it's actually a success since 2014
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DenchDeckard
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Gaiff is about as even-handed as they come when it comes to platforms.
Doesn't mean he isn't going to makea silly statement. I really like him too and perhaps I went in a little hard. It's just frustrating to still see users comment that Xbox console players dont play good games. Like they are any different than any other platform. Xbox and Gamepass has more Japanese RPG support, turn based RPGs than they ever have.
Publishers wouldnt put their games on gamepass or xbox at all if there was 0 audience.
But yeah, if you feel like you need to defend a silly comment and go after me for calling it out. You do you brother!
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mayham2199
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I care about sales cause that's the only thing that will secure a sequel. People "experiencing" the game doesn't help create a sequel. If no one bought the game on Steam and PS and they only "experienced" it on GP then there's a real chance we see nothing else from them again.
UltimaKilo
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Anecdotally, I picked up a Series X last week for these two games. eBay was offering white refurbished white digital version for like $330 with a 2 year warranty. Maybe I'm old, but I think most people would be fine with a Series S, especially if they already have a PS5 or a Switch [2].
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
When did I say "Xbox players don't play good games"? I'm saying this changes nothing to the narrative regarding Xbox. If someone said they weren't playing good games last week, then this wouldn't make them any more right or wrong. You're talking to a guy who hates like half of Sony's offerings with a passion, so I'm sure as hell wouldn't be the one arguing about Xbox players being the one with no taste in games.
What matters and always mattered is selling consoles and selling games. No amount of engagement metrics, bullets fired, or miles driven in a warthog will change that.