Shaki12345
Banned
Yes. It only goes to 120 when I set the S2 to 1080p.
Switch 2 vs 1440p - What is happening?
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kevboard
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that's so weird...
Shaki12345
Banned
Why? The TV simply doesn't support the intended 1440p@120 Hz signal in Game Mode.
They should have just used HDMI 2.1 with 4k@120 output ffs.
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kevboard
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the weird part is that SF6 forces your TV into 1440p 60hz, that doesn't really make sense
Shaki12345
Banned
If the game had a option to select a graphics mode it would probably be easier. But if the S2 could output at 4K120 this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
This is bc Nintendo is cheapening out on their video output.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I've the same TV as OP and can confirm that I'm seeing the same behavior he mentioned in his update while playing the SF6 demo on my SW2.
Shaki12345
Banned
After reading Reddit and doing some testing, it seems to be an issue with Switch 2. My TV is apparently able to do 1440p@120 but the Switch can't output in that format to the TV. PS5 and Xbox can for example.
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DenchDeckard
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Same on mine. LG CX but im at 4k 60fps thanks to my philips hue sync box so im happy enough for a Nintendo console right now.
I will be upgrading my sync box this year so I want it updating if possible.
I will be upgrading my sync box this year so I want it updating if possible.
proandrad
Member
It's my understanding if you set your switch to automatic resolution, and the game supports 120hz, it will automatically switch to 1440p 120hz. So if your tv supports 4k there is no need to have it at 1440p before hand. I don't have a game that supports 120hz so I can't confirm.
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cinnamonandgravy
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cinnamonandgravy
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does it work well with games/movies/everything?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I love it but im well invested in the whole eco system.
I have the 65 inch light strip and a few hue plays behind the tv. Looks awesome. At least I think so
cinnamonandgravy
Member
do you happen to have it connected to a pc with gsync?I love it but im well invested in the whole eco system.
I have the 65 inch light strip and a few hue plays behind the tv. Looks awesome. At least I think so
im worried its passthrough might break gsync compatibility.
i have a hdmi2.1 receiver that doesnt play nicely with gsync, so now im weary of all hdmi passthroughs.
Chronos24
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Shaki12345
Banned
Like I said before. A lot of TV's can handle it like ours. But for some reason the Switch can't output 1440p120 to some TV'sMy LG G4 OLED does in fact support this.
That's the issue at this point.
It's a Switch 2 issue.
If it could output at 4k120 via HDMI 2.1 this probably wouldn't even be a topic
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
According to wiki HDMI 2.1 was released in 2017. Do with that information as you will.
Shaki12345
Banned
All of this shit is only happening because Nintendo decides to cheap out on a modern HDMI output.
No VRR
No 1440p120 for lots of users
How is that consumer friendly?
Surely they must have expected people to complain about this when AAA games run at shit framerates on Docked and stable on Portable due to VRR.
No VRR
No 1440p120 for lots of users
How is that consumer friendly?
Surely they must have expected people to complain about this when AAA games run at shit framerates on Docked and stable on Portable due to VRR.
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Shaki12345
Banned
Hmm that's weird. And you set the S2 to automatic? I have a C2 and it forces the game into 1440p60. 120 only available if I put the S2 on 1080p. Lots of LG owners reporting the same issue as me, so I don't understand at all how you can have 1440p120. Are you in Game Mode with HDR?I tested the Street Fighter 6 demo, and although the 1440p option is greyed out, the game automatically switches to 1440p when running at 120Hz. I have a LG C1
proandrad
Member
Yes, game mode on the tv, HDR/ALLM enabled on the switch. What is the S2? Not sure what setting that is.
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Shaki12345
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kevboard
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I tested the Street Fighter 6 demo, and although the 1440p option is greyed out, the game automatically switches to 1440p when a game can run at 120Hz. I have a LG C1
so the C1 works as intended, but the C2 forces 1440p 60hz.
very weird.
I know that older LG TVs had a different set of chipset features. like at some point 120hz BFI was removed due to a chipset incompatibility on newer LG models.
so this could be related to that as well maybe? but I'm not sure if it was the C1 that was the last one before that change l
kevboard
Member
well, not all. the LG C2 is so far at least 1 TV that somehow switches to 1440p 60hz and only goes into 120hz when manually set to 1080p.
if you wanna test it properly, try downloading the Street Fighter 6 demo, as it always tries to force 120hz when possible.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I finally went through and fixed the issue by moving the cable to another HDMI port, at least on my QN90B, here's what I found:
I started having the same exact problem, 1440p grayed out and SF6 going to 1080p in order to keep 120fps, also disabling Game Mode in the TV allowed me 1440p@120fps, but then I started switching HDMI port, first I had it in HDMI 1 because why not:
But I changed the Switch 2 cable to HDMI 4 (the one I have my PC plugged to) and voilá, 1440@120fps:
Lastly, as I use that port for my PC, and I don't want to swap cables, I tried using HDMI 2 instead and:
It seems only HDMI 2 and 4 are working well on my TV for 1440p@120fps since also HDMI 3 had the same issue.
I'll leave it on HDMI 2 as you can see that I changed the icon and name of the source. I hope Samsung updates the TV with Switch 2 support as they did with Switch 1 since it set the name and even the Nintendo Switch icon automatically which is great.
I started having the same exact problem, 1440p grayed out and SF6 going to 1080p in order to keep 120fps, also disabling Game Mode in the TV allowed me 1440p@120fps, but then I started switching HDMI port, first I had it in HDMI 1 because why not:
But I changed the Switch 2 cable to HDMI 4 (the one I have my PC plugged to) and voilá, 1440@120fps:
Lastly, as I use that port for my PC, and I don't want to swap cables, I tried using HDMI 2 instead and:
It seems only HDMI 2 and 4 are working well on my TV for 1440p@120fps since also HDMI 3 had the same issue.
I'll leave it on HDMI 2 as you can see that I changed the icon and name of the source. I hope Samsung updates the TV with Switch 2 support as they did with Switch 1 since it set the name and even the Nintendo Switch icon automatically which is great.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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Off the back of this thread, I found out I have the same issue on my (admittedly not recent) Sony TV.
I too tried to change ports, seeing that the TV only has one 120Hz port anyway. But I still couldn't select 1440p.
This TV also prevents you from deactivating gaming mode if it detects a gaming console, so I can't try that. Not that I'd do that anyway, because anything but gaming mode adds a ton of lag, making games literally unplayable.
My friends and I had a quick look online and some sources said, a 120fps-compatible game will adjust its resolution automatically if you have the 120fps option activated in the console's general settings? Sounds unconvincing to me, anyone has better info about this?
I too tried to change ports, seeing that the TV only has one 120Hz port anyway. But I still couldn't select 1440p.
This TV also prevents you from deactivating gaming mode if it detects a gaming console, so I can't try that. Not that I'd do that anyway, because anything but gaming mode adds a ton of lag, making games literally unplayable.
My friends and I had a quick look online and some sources said, a 120fps-compatible game will adjust its resolution automatically if you have the 120fps option activated in the console's general settings? Sounds unconvincing to me, anyone has better info about this?
Windom Earle
Member
I have the same issue on my G4 but doesn't really matter at the moment. I only own TOTK and Mario Kart.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Can I use this thread to express how disappointed I am that it can't do 4k@120? Also that there's no TV VRR.
Nintendo is always just eight years behind.
Nintendo is always just eight years behind.
kevboard
Member
4k120hz isn't all that important for this system, as there will probably never be a game that runs at native 4k and 120fps or 4k 40fps.
VRR is a bummer however. I really wonder if they can patch it in later or if their Display Port to HDMI conversion chip just can't do it.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
As I understand it VRR requires the latest HDMI spec.
Xcell Miguel
Member
4K120 can be important when VRR is supported, on PC (at least with an NVIDIA GPU, I don't know about AMD, maybe with Freesync Premium ?) and on Xbox, when set to 120 Hz when the framerate goes under the supported range of the TV/monitor, frames get doubled, tripled or more to stay in the range and avoid/limit stutter.
For example if a TV supports VRR from 40 to 120 Hz, on PC and Xbox if you set it to 60 Hz, VRR can only work from 40 to 60, but if you set it to 120 Hz, VRR can range from 1 to 120 Hz.
At 35 FPS for example, the TV receives a 70 Hz signal and frames are doubled.
That's also why VRR is better on Xbox in games that dips below 40 if you have a 120 Hz TV as it forces 120 Hz at system level, so even 60 FPS games benefit from it.
Also, I think PS5 only supports VRR from 48 Hz (I may be wrong).
kevboard
Member
it doesn't. the Xbox One S supports HDMI VRR (tested by RTINGS.com, plenty of HDMI 2.0 PC monitors also support it (also tested by RTINGS.com), and the last HDMI 2.0 TVs that Samsing made got patched to support it.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
It really doesn't matter if a Game doesnt run at 4k 120 internally .. it would allow any resolution to run 120 . the ps5 and Xbox games mostly do 120 like that.
For me I'm old and am just happy I still see colors
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Kataploom
Gold Member
It probably can be, it's probably just too difficult to get around the difficulties of protocol conversions and they prefer not to promise they will just in case
Kataploom
Gold Member
That's the thing, some people complain about VRR missing in docked mode but in consoles the frame rate is always capped and should most of the time stay at the cap except for dips, for which vsync is mostly enough, the only time it would be needed is in 120 fps modes which we know is not realistic to expect from this console in graphically demanding games (hell even PS5 and XSX don't have 120 fps modes for a while now iirc).
For PC tho, VRR is basically obligatory for a decent experience since we tend to leave frame rate uncapped and it tends to flow a lot, like between 70 and 90 fps or whatever, that would be a tearing nightmare, but in consoles I don't think VRR is obligatory unless the game has a really bad performance and is above 48 fps anyway.
phant0m
Member
Did you…really expect 4K 120? My PC with a 5800X3D and 7900XT can't do 4K 120 with most modern games (mostly thanks to RT but that's a different story). Like I can get there with FSR3 Balanced+Framegen in Doom TDA but both the CPU and GPU are orders of magnitude more powerful than a 60W handheld
kevboard
Member
hey... another one who doesn't understand the difference output signals and game performance!
and who doesn't understand that it's almost always better to have the system output the same resolution as your TV in order to prevent the TV from having to scale the image.
and who doesn't understand that some TVs have issues with 1440p signals.
and who doesn't understand that in order to use a 40fps mode you have to run at 120hz, not just to use 120fps modes.
and who doesn't understand that not every game has the same system requirements, which means it's absolutely plausible for, say, a 2D game to run at 4K 120fps even on low end hardware.
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phant0m
Member
Damn dude, calm down. I understand the difference between output signal and rendering.
I misread your comment as complaining that games wouldn't "run" (render) at 4K/120.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Yeah, for 2D games. I have no doubt the Switch 2 could play Super Mario Wonder at 4K@120.
It would have been nice to have the option.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Demo for what machine?I tested the Street Fighter 6 demo, and although the 1440p option is greyed out, the game automatically switches to 1440p when a game can run at 120Hz. I have a LG C1
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
If the system could support 4K@120 Hz there is the possibility of games that render at 40 FPS with basic upscaling (no DLSS) at the display resolution.
Given the issues with 1440p support (in my case I might have to connect the Switch 2 directly to the TV and use eARC as Denon has issues passing 4K@120 Hz well and may not like 1440p either).
Lack of VRR support on the main display is even worse though
…Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It is the eShop download for the Switch 2 edition of SF6
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
4k120hz is amazing.
It can do fixed 40fps.
Now if you want to have a laugh how shit the current OS is.
Switch won't support eARC.
Since my receiver won't support 4K HDR AND 120fps.
I connect the switch 2 on the hdmi input on my C4 but…. It won't output 5.1 surround in this way. Only stereo on my dolby atmos system
My ps5 pro can do this perfectly fine.
What a fucking joke
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