I have far more faith in ND then in other devs.
Ahead of ds1?
Im not gonna gaslight you and deny that the top shot isnt excellent looking but I just cant get excited about "cutscenes" anymore. Id much rather just watch films with offline prerendered quality CGI at that point. Gushing over non interactive cutscenes is a waste of time when it comes to "games".ds2 looks incredible on oled. Screenshots dont
and yes, gameplay looks incredible too. And cutscenes are all real time.
I mean you said it, with the budget and time that went into this thing, it should look way better. We should not be seeing last gen lighting, last gen asset quality, last gen draw distance, last gen foliage, last gen rain and sandstorm effects for a game with SIX long years of development. They were helped by GG and Sony XDEV too.
miles.
No, what i was asking is, when you said "a generation ahead", you meant compared to ds1 right?
Agreed. Cutscenes are cool when the rest of the game matches them and you have this seamless switching from cutscenes to gameplay with barely any loss to qualify of the visuals. I hate games that have a big difference between cutscenes and in-game visuals, it takes me out of experience and immersion.
Not at all man, it's just this game is a huge disappointed for me, specially for a kojima gameI get it, you're frustrated, I'm disappointed too, it is an inconsistent game when it comes to visual quality, their reliance on traditional lighting & geometry techniques put a damper on it, but it still has that graphical polish to it that you won't see in 99% of other games even those that use Nanite like Black Myth Wukong, that game can look extremely inconsistent to a very bizarre level honestly, you can feel the Sony money here with DS2, it is much more cohesive visually.
Msamy sorry if I bothered you, you're a cool person.
Dude, the part I highlighted is laughable quality for even AA devs, nevermind AAA game with 6 years production. Embarrassing.I mean you said it, with the budget and time that went into this thing, it should look way better. We should not be seeing last gen lighting, last gen asset quality, last gen draw distance, last gen foliage, last gen rain and sandstorm effects for a game with SIX long years of development. They were helped by GG and Sony XDEV too.
Obviously a lot of work went into the game. It's clear they all worked every day for six years. Cutscenes artists, level deisgners, combat designers, writers, programmers, everyone clearly worked hard on making this 90+ metacritic game. When we say lazy, we are talking about how the people in charge of upgrading the engine to allow artists and designers to achieve visuals consistent with this gen's standards. RTGI, mesh shaders, and simply a 4kcb 30 fps target wouldve allowed them to push for better lighting and visual fidelity.
Targeting a full fat native 4k 30 fps limits artist creativity. It increases iteration time which in turn increases production time because well, you cant run RTGI at native 4k on the base consoles. Lack of something like nanite results in those poor LODs too which not just makes the game look last gen, but also increases dev time.
Actually, this explains why the game took 6 years despite looking like DS1.1. They were working on last gen design paradigms. Avatar and Star Wars outlaws both took around 6 years but look a generation ahead of whatever this is.
lol i meant miles ahead of ds1. not spiderman miles.
i said something like this for TLOU1 remake. Realtime has lost its meaning because realtime cutscenes in modern ND games look way better than gameplay, even more so than the uncharted cutscenes did and they were pre-rendered. i had the same issue with FF7 Rebirth. Cutscenes look straight up CG at times, and then you go into gameplay and wonder wtf just happened.
I am using the standard ps5 capture. i am playing this on the Pro too.I have no dog in this fight but can we at least use screens without massive amounts of compression?
Playing through the game now, IMO much of the visual draw behind the game is the overall IQ. Essentially the best of PS4 level tech
the key is lightinglol i meant miles ahead of ds1. not spiderman miles.
i said something like this for TLOU1 remake. Realtime has lost its meaning because realtime cutscenes in modern ND games look way better than gameplay, even more so than the uncharted cutscenes did and they were pre-rendered. i had the same issue with FF7 Rebirth. Cutscenes look straight up CG at times, and then you go into gameplay and wonder wtf just happened.
They are blasting these cutscenes with like a million light sources they cant during gameplay. they are using exceptionally high quality character models they cant use in gameplay. they mostly use closeups for these cutscenes whereas the main game is about these massive vistas their game simply cant handle.
i mean wtf is this? This is barely a generation above MGSV.
This. 100%
I sincerely cant tell which of these shots are DS1 or DS2???Game looks like the PS4 sequel to DS1 we never got:
Biggest difference is color tint. There are upgrades obviously but they are much closer to Uncharted -> Uncharted 2 than between Uncharted 3 -> Uncharted 4 (generation difference). Overall game looks decent but it's definitely close to the best looking PS5 game.
Don't you mean a up-rezzed PSX game?
That's what I said since previews maybe we are wrong but honestly to me HFW is more impressive than this one
"Best vegetation ever" lol.lol i meant miles ahead of ds1. not spiderman miles.
i said something like this for TLOU1 remake. Realtime has lost its meaning because realtime cutscenes in modern ND games look way better than gameplay, even more so than the uncharted cutscenes did and they were pre-rendered. i had the same issue with FF7 Rebirth. Cutscenes look straight up CG at times, and then you go into gameplay and wonder wtf just happened.
They are blasting these cutscenes with like a million light sources they cant during gameplay. they are using exceptionally high quality character models they cant use in gameplay. they mostly use closeups for these cutscenes whereas the main game is about these massive vistas their game simply cant handle.
i mean wtf is this? This is barely a generation above MGSV.
Thank you for showing a baren interior my friend.Game looks like the PS4 sequel to DS1 we never got:
Biggest difference is color tint. There are upgrades obviously but they are much closer to Uncharted -> Uncharted 2 than between Uncharted 3 -> Uncharted 4 (generation difference). Overall game looks decent but it's definitely not close to the best looking PS5 games.
I don't mean to piss on anyone's opinion or taste, but for me realtime cutscenes never had the most graphical meaning. I mean, yeah, they are realtime, but realtime in that specific cutscene, I think more appropriate is to say it's in engine, but that too doesn't mean very much.
PNG is like 12-20 MB, it is bigger than most gifs i make. It completely kills pages. I capture everything as jpegs even on PC. No amount of PNG clarity is going to save this last gen game.
Yes, near field detail isnt anything to write home about either. their textures for rocks are just from the ps4 era. we saw the same thing in spiderman 2. the textures and building level of detail was simply last gen.
It just looks like one of those "insane water physics!1" demos that were going around for a while. Do you remember those? Or even the super fluid parkour animation shit.
Was Hellblade 1 a game? Is Detroit Become Human a game????
Exactly.
Its not just Tim Sweeney. We get checks from Ubisoft massive, Ubisoft Quebec, remedy, rockstar, Respawn, cd project, and several other studios who didn't use ue5 and still managed to produce next gen graphics.
If it can run cyberpunk, no doubt it can run ds2.
Indeed Plague Tale Requiem is current gen, and one of the best looking games of current gen at that
It definitely punch above its weight.
I never claimed it was comparable to DS2, in fact i think it looks much better than DS2.
We can argue about the locations looking better but character wise, the game lose against ds2.
It's not an equal comparison. DS2 aims for photorealism, Plague Tale does not. It's a stylistic game. While it does use PBR materials as does pretty much almost everything, it's not aiming for realism.
Thank you for showing a baren interior my friend.
It really is the height of both games.
Kinda unfair to compare only the area where plague has an advantage.
