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[Crayon]

The lowest i can get this card in Canada is $899cad (has seen it for like $859.99, but it's too rare). I don't know if its worth it as an upgrade to the 6800xt for 1440p.

Borderline, imo. You could ride out a 6800xt for quite a while, if you want. You'd just have to balance out your settings, usually taking some minimal hit to the graphics. I just came off a 6800 and while you have to get a mix of settings on wukong for 60fps, it's still notably better than a PS5, which is really all that's needed for years.

If you really want future games to look "way" better for several years, then maybe worth the upgrade. Best might be the compromise of seeing what's available in 2-3 years.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Only upgrade if you are unhappy with what you have.

I "upgraded" from a 7900xt. FSR4 and better RT made my $200 upgrade fee worth it.

I am not unhappy with my 6800xt, and don't really care about RT because it eats too much frames, but the reason why i was kinda thinking of upgrading is because i can still get a good chunk of cash back by selling my gpu.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Borderline, imo. You could ride out a 6800xt for quite a while, if you want. You'd just have to balance out your settings, usually taking some minimal hit to the graphics. I just came off a 6800 and while you have to get a mix of settings on wukong for 60fps, it's still notably better than a PS5, which is really all that's needed for years.

If you really want future games to look "way" better for several years, then maybe worth the upgrade. Best might be the compromise of seeing what's available in 2-3 years.

2-3y is a long ass time

 

[Crayon]

2-3y is a long ass time

In that case, YOLO!!!!!!!!!

 

[StereoVsn]

2-3y is a long ass time

It's worth upgrading then, especially if you could sell your card for some $$.

9070XT is going to provide a decent amount of IGP improvement and it has FSR4 capabilities.

 

[Zathalus]

The lowest i can get this card in Canada is $899cad (has seen it for like $859.99, but it's too rare). I don't know if its worth it as an upgrade to the 6800xt for 1440p.

50-60% increase in raster performance, massive leap in RT performance, and FSR4 is a real step up. It would be a noticeable upgrade for sure. PS6 will likely launch in about 2.5 years and it will easily last until then, especially at 1440p. I would say it's a worthy upgrade.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

In that case, YOLO!!!!!!!!!

It's worth upgrading then, especially if you could sell your card for some $$.

9070XT is going to provide a decent amount of IGP improvement and it has FSR4 capabilities.

50-60% increase in raster performance, massive leap in RT performance, and FSR4 is a real step up. It would be a noticeable upgrade for sure. PS6 will likely launch in about 2.5 years and it will easily last until then, especially at 1440p. I would say it's a worthy upgrade.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. I guess i have to yolo it before the selling value for the 6800xt drops. Right now i am seeing it being sold for around $550cad, which is pretty good.

 

[Crayon]

50-60% increase in raster performance, massive leap in RT performance, and FSR4 is a real step up. It would be a noticeable upgrade for sure. PS6 will likely launch in about 2.5 years and it will easily last until then, especially at 1440p. I would say it's a worthy upgrade.

It'll be good well past then. Cross-gen might last more than half the PS6 gen, and PS5 staying the baseline gives an excuse to target so much other lower specced hardware.

I do believe PS5 is good enough to host 98% of games for another many years though, so that's good. Some aaa games are ratty, but some are properly made for that level of performance and look great. We've even seen proven that you can use the hardware for rtgi and leave behind baked lighting. It loads fast. Including the PS4 library, it has uncountable games. If we are going to get stuck on a graphical plateau for a minute, it could have been worse.

 

[TwinB242]

Im new to AMD from Nvidia. I don't understand how the driver updates work. I had installed what I assume was the latest version, which is now showing as 25.6.1 in the Adrenalin client. However, the recent version with the big performance improvements is 25.6.3, yet my current version is showing as being up-to-date. Why is the latest version not auto-installing? Do I have to manually download and overinstall the latest Adrenalin client to get the latest drivers?

 

[Crayon]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. I guess i have to yolo it before the selling value for the 6800xt drops. Right now i am seeing it being sold for around $550cad, which is pretty good.

If you need some help with questionable justifications, just let me know.

How much are you going to pay over msrp? And how much is a speeding ticket? If you drive slow for the next few weeks, you can avoid that speeding ticket, basically get the card for msrp. And that's a deal you can't pass up.

 

[winjer]

Im new to AMD from Nvidia. I don't understand how the driver updates work. I had installed what I assume was the latest version, which is now showing as 25.6.1 in the Adrenalin client. However, the recent version with the big performance improvements is 25.6.3, yet my current version is showing as being up-to-date. Why is the latest version not auto-installing? Do I have to manually download and overinstall the latest Adrenalin client to get the latest drivers?

Sometimes, AMD releases minor updates that are labeled as optional.
The 25.6.3 are optional updates. The link is in the previous page, but here it is again:

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-25-6-3.html

AMD sometimes also releases Preview Drivers. These are beta drivers that include new features. Such as new Vulkan extensions, or some update for Machine Learning, etc.

 

[Mr Moose]

Im new to AMD from Nvidia. I don't understand how the driver updates work. I had installed what I assume was the latest version, which is now showing as 25.6.1 in the Adrenalin client. However, the recent version with the big performance improvements is 25.6.3, yet my current version is showing as being up-to-date. Why is the latest version not auto-installing? Do I have to manually download and overinstall the latest Adrenalin client to get the latest drivers?

It's an optional update.

https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/amd-software-adrenalin-edition-25.6.3-win10-win11-june-rdna.exe

Highlights

• New Game Support for AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4)
  • Monster Hunter Wilds
  • Grand Theft Auto V Enhanced
  • See the complete list of supported AMD FSR 4 games here
• Fixed Issues and Improvements
  • AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4) is not enabled while playing DragonKin: The Banished, Blades of Fire, RoadCraft, The Alters, Star Wars Outlaws and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl on Radeon™ RX 9000 series graphics products.
  • Intermittent system or application crash maybe observed while playing Black Myth: WuKong on Radeon™ RX 7650 GRE graphics products.
  • Texture flickering or corruption may appear while playing The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered with AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution enabled on Radeon™ RX 9070 XT.

• Stutter may be observed while playing games with some VR headsets at 80Hz or 90Hz refresh rate on some AMD Radeon™ Graphics Products such as the Radeon™ RX 7000 series. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to change the refresh rate as a temporary workaround.
• Intermittent system or application crash may be observed while playing Cyberpunk 2077 on some AMD Radeon™ Graphics Products such as the Radeon™ RX 7000 series and Radeon™ RX 9000 series.
• Intermittent application crash or driver timeout may be observed while playing Monster Hunter Wilds with Radeon™ Anti-Lag and Instant Replay enabled.
• Stutter may be observed while playing Call of Duty®: Warzone™ Season 03 'Verdansk' map on some AMD Graphics Products.
  
  
  
• Stutter and lower than expected performance may be observed while playing 4K resolution YouTube videos in Chrome. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to play videos in full screen as a temporary workaround.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

If you need some help with questionable justifications, just let me know.

How much are you going to pay over msrp? And how much is a speeding ticket? If you drive slow for the next few weeks, you can avoid that speeding ticket, basically get the card for msrp. And that's a deal you can't pass up.

Right now i am pretty much following a sub reddit where people are posting deals, and the plan is to grab whichever 9070xt that is sub $899cad. MSRP is too rare in Canada, so you're usually at least overpaying by $30-50.

 

[Crayon]

Right now i am pretty much following a sub reddit where people are posting deals, and the plan is to grab whichever 9070xt that is sub $899cad. MSRP is too rare in Canada, so you're usually at least overpaying by $30-50.

I ended up overpaying significantly just because I was tired of thinking about it. I got a good deal for the rest of the upgrade and it evened out to an alright price for a whole pc. And it let me sell the old one complete. I'm going to leave some money on the table there, too if I can find someone who could really use a hand with an affordable pc. Think I might have found someone.

So between going over for the card, and selling under for the old pc, I'm probably out $300 but whatever. That's not nothing for me, but also nothing to lose sleep over. Just had some car vandalism that fucked me for $1000 in the blink of an eye. Helped put things in perspective.

 

[winjer]

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Spoiler

The waifu is hotter.

 

[winjer]

 

[SolidQ]

new test
Launch Driver vs Current

Neue GeForce- und Adrenalin-Treiber im Test

Bringen neue Radeon- und GeForce-Treiber mehr Grafikkarten-Performance? Der Test auf RTX 5000 und RX 9000 mit großer Überraschung.

www.computerbase.de

 

[BeardSpike]

 

[twilo99]

Is it just me or is this turning out to be one of the best GPUs AMD has released in over a decade?

 

[The Skull]

Is it just me or is this turning out to be one of the best GPUs AMD has released in over a decade?

Definitely the best since the 5700XT.

 

[Shockwave_Fox]

Are these in demand?
Likely gonna be selling mine, PC gaming doesn't seem to be for me....

 

[analog_future]

I really hope AMD tries to take on Nvidia on the ultra high-end next gen. The 9070XT really seems to be surpassing expectations and I'd love to see them try to take on the RTX 6090.

 

[CrustyBritches]

On a side note the 25.8.1 driver adds official FSR4 support for Cyberpunk, Lies of P, Wuchang, and a few other games. FSR4 looks really good in Cyberpunk.

 

[SolidQ]

I'd love to see them try to take on the RTX 6090.

if Lisa decide to release 154CU RDNA5 model

 

[Durin]

I really hope AMD tries to take on Nvidia on the ultra high-end next gen. The 9070XT really seems to be surpassing expectations and I'd love to see them try to take on the RTX 6090.

Not going to happen, they've already pointed where they're going to compete, and the highest is the upper mid-tier like the xx70ti of Nvidia's line-up for future.

High-end cards are also less than 10% of the Steam hardware survey, so most people buy budget to mid-tier. I just want AMD to do better on price for whatever follows up the 9070xt, get that down $50-100, and smoke Nvidia on value.

 

[Pharaoh 117]

Not going to happen, they've already pointed where they're going to compete, and the highest is the upper mid-tier like the xx70ti of Nvidia's line-up for future.

High-end cards are also less than 10% of the Steam hardware survey, so most people buy budget to mid-tier. I just want AMD to do better on price for whatever follows up the 9070xt, get that down $50-100, and smoke Nvidia on value.

And another problem with the top end is that if your not the clear winner you're fucked because the few people willing to expend that kind of money will only buy the best.

 

[Durin]

And another problem with the top end is that if your not the clear winner you're fucked because the few people willing to expend that kind of money will only buy the best.

Pretty much, and at the high-end you also have to contend with people more likely doubling the utility of the card on other professional applications...which Nvidia has made CUDA have widespread support for getting more out of the hardware on, in addition to AI applications.

 

[Zathalus]

Not going to happen, they've already pointed where they're going to compete, and the highest is the upper mid-tier like the xx70ti of Nvidia's line-up for future.

High-end cards are also less than 10% of the Steam hardware survey, so most people buy budget to mid-tier. I just want AMD to do better on price for whatever follows up the 9070xt, get that down $50-100, and smoke Nvidia on value.

They said this with the launch of the RX480, RX580, 5700XT, and now the 9070XT. The higher end market might be smaller, but the margins are much higher. Not only that, but having competition in the high end has a marketing and mind share effect on lower tier products.

AMD simply uses it as a marketing excuse when they don't think they can compete at the high end. If RDNA5 is competitive with Nvidia they will likely release a high end product. They could have done the same with RDNA4 and I think they realise cancelling the high end RDNA4 part might have been a mistake.

 

[Bry0]

AMD never said they were done with high end forever. This misunderstanding always becomes prevalent on the gen they sit it out.

 

[Durin]

They said this with the launch of the RX480, RX580, 5700XT, and now the 9070XT. The higher end market might be smaller, but the margins are much higher. Not only that, but having competition in the high end has a marketing and mind share effect on lower tier products.

AMD simply uses it as a marketing excuse when they don't think they can compete at the high end. If RDNA5 is competitive with Nvidia they will likely release a high end product. They could have done the same with RDNA4 and I think they realise cancelling the high end RDNA4 part might have been a mistake.

Yeah, the margins are tighter, but the people buying those devices are going to be more discerning, and AMD has struggled to compete with Nvidia at the high-end before they even gave up on it.

I'm sure if they can produce new architecture capable of scaling to the high-end with Nvidia, they'd try again, but I think it might be another generation as they're still playing catch-up on AI. I would prefer for them to compete, but as a consumer if I was upgrading now their 9070XT would be the highest I'd go. I have an RTX 4080 only because of a tax return and selling an old GPU...$1000+ GPUs are getting dumb.

 

[Sanepar]

Not going to happen, they've already pointed where they're going to compete, and the highest is the upper mid-tier like the xx70ti of Nvidia's line-up for future.

High-end cards are also less than 10% of the Steam hardware survey, so most people buy budget to mid-tier. I just want AMD to do better on price for whatever follows up the 9070xt, get that down $50-100, and smoke Nvidia on value.

Kepler already confirmed they will have a high end gpu with udna next year.

I expect a 10090 and 10080 next series.

 

[Durin]

Kepler already confirmed they will have a high end gpu with udna next year.

I expect a 10090 and 10080 next series.

Hmm, well I hope it's good. I'll take anything to drive prices down.

 

[Gaiff]

They said this with the launch of the RX480, RX580, 5700XT, and now the 9070XT. The higher end market might be smaller, but the margins are much higher. Not only that, but having competition in the high end has a marketing and mind share effect on lower tier products.

AMD simply uses it as a marketing excuse when they don't think they can compete at the high end. If RDNA5 is competitive with Nvidia they will likely release a high end product. They could have done the same with RDNA4 and I think they realise cancelling the high end RDNA4 part might have been a mistake.

Pretty much. It was rumored the 5090 was going to be 50% faster than the 4090, but it turns out it was a dud.

AMD likely thought they couldn't match that, so they abandoned the plans. If they knew how garbage the 5090 would be, they could have matched it.

 

[dgrdsv]

I really hope AMD tries to take on Nvidia on the ultra high-end next gen. The 9070XT really seems to be surpassing expectations and I'd love to see them try to take on the RTX 6090.

9070XT isn't surpassing any expectations aside from the pricing which AMD managed to make okay this time instead of just pricing themselves out of competition.
The chip in it is more complex than the one in 5080 while it is still slower than that in both RT and ML workloads.
To try and compete with the ultra high end they need to be on par or better in complexity aka perf per area because without this they will never be able to hit the same performance at the same power/price. It's really that simple.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Sometimes, AMD releases minor updates that are labeled as optional.
The 25.6.3 are optional updates. The link is in the previous page, but here it is again:

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-25-6-3.html

AMD sometimes also releases Preview Drivers. These are beta drivers that include new features. Such as new Vulkan extensions, or some update for Machine Learning, etc.

The PRO drivers are an option as well if you want rock solid stability.

 

[//DEVIL//]

9070XT isn't surpassing any expectations aside from the pricing which AMD managed to make okay this time instead of just pricing themselves out of competition.
The chip in it is more complex than the one in 5080 while it is still slower than that in both RT and ML workloads.
To try and compete with the ultra high end they need to be on par or better in complexity aka perf per area because without this they will never be able to hit the same performance at the same power/price. It's really that simple.

I love Nvidia cards but i do not agree with this

AMD biggest problem was with FSR. That was fixed with FSR 4 since it looks so good and I would say the same level as DLSS3/4

Additionally, their pricing for the 9070 XT is a better value, as it is cheaper and more powerful than a 5070 Ti, thanks to its latest drivers.

AMD did well this gen. now imagine a card that is the same performance or better than 5080 by a little, 24 gigs and cheaper than 5080, even if by a 100$ value at 900 MSRP. It will be a killer card.

 

[rm082e]

Still enjoying my Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT. It's been a significant jump over my 3080 and rock solid.

 

[Crayon]

^^^ Mine's been pretty sweet, too. Though I'm on linux so different drivers and usually a little behind.

 

[BeardSpike]

I'm rocking mine too.

Debloated Win11 with ms-gamebar fixes and no animations on notification bar and auto hide taskbar so it's more snappy.

And CachyOS Linux with newest Mesa drivers, Kernels and it's getting there day by day on Ray Tracing it's almost matching Windows. Just slightly behind while non-raytraced games I think run better. Sometimes Linux takes 20 to 40W less power consumption on my GPU for the same FPS - I can see how that translates to a better experience on handhelds. Plus I can use FSR4 now on Linux fairly easy. It's nice since it's my main OS.

 

[Crayon]

I'm rocking mine too.

Debloated Win11 with ms-gamebar fixes and no animations on notification bar and auto hide taskbar so it's more snappy.

And CachyOS Linux with newest Mesa drivers, Kernels and it's getting there day by day on Ray Tracing it's almost matching Windows. Just slightly behind while non-raytraced games I think run better. Sometimes Linux takes 20 to 40W less power consumption on my GPU for the same FPS - I can see how that translates to a better experience on handhelds. Plus I can use FSR4 now on Linux fairly easy. It's nice since it's my main OS.

Okay nice to hear the fsr4 is coming along. Ill have to try something out. I haven't been too worried about since it's been killing anything i play. I like getting power usage down though so i'm happy it's come along.

 

[BeardSpike]

Okay nice to hear the fsr4 is coming along. Ill have to try something out. I haven't been too worried about since it's been killing anything i play. I like getting power usage down though so i'm happy it's come along.

Post in thread 'Linux Bros, what's the best Linux OS for gaming (GOG and Steam)?' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/linu...r-gaming-gog-and-steam.1683312/post-270598927

ProtonEM and ProtonGE uses the same command now.

EDIT: It's possible now since AMD shares FSR4 DLLs on their FTP.

Index of /476273/dir/bin/amdxcffx64.dll

So they are actually making it easy for us Linux bros.

Plus hacked FP8 stuff got integrated into main Mesa branch until AMD fully opens FSR4 on Linux.

EDIT2:

GE-Proton 10-9 released with NTSYNC and FSR4 upgrade support

GE-Proton 10-9 is out now with some exciting sounding new features like NTSYNC and FSR4 upgrade support for gamers on Linux, SteamOS and Steam Deck.

www.gamingonlinux.com

NTSYNC is huge too. Although that's a test feature for now in some games it does nothing, others have FPS boost.

EDIT3: OptiScaler works on Linux too. You just have to put FSR4 dll in the same folder and it injects it. Run Windows OptiScaler.bat file with Wine.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I love Nvidia cards but i do not agree with this

AMD biggest problem was with FSR. That was fixed with FSR 4 since it looks so good and I would say the same level as DLSS3/4

Additionally, their pricing for the 9070 XT is a better value, as it is cheaper and more powerful than a 5070 Ti, thanks to its latest drivers.

AMD did well this gen. now imagine a card that is the same performance or better than 5080 by a little, 24 gigs and cheaper than 5080, even if by a 100$ value at 900 MSRP. It will be a killer card.

How is AMD doing with RT/PT these days? When you go into the high end people care about that

 

[M1987]

How is AMD doing with RT/PT these days? When you go into the high end people care about that

PT is still a bit behind,but in RT it's 4070ti Super level

 

[dgrdsv]

AMD biggest problem was with FSR. That was fixed with FSR 4 since it looks so good and I would say the same level as DLSS3/4

It's not on the same level and what's more important it's nowhere close to the same market penetration.
The fact that four cards in AMD segment can do FSR4 in 1/10th of games which support DLSS do not make AMD GPUs on a whole similar to what Nvidia has now with DLSS.
It will take several years for AMD to reach that level.

Additionally, their pricing for the 9070 XT is a better value, as it is cheaper and more powerful than a 5070 Ti, thanks to its latest drivers.

It is not "more powerful than 5070 Ti", that's FUD.
It is priced according to its performance - which is good as two AMD previous gens were priced well above the levels where they would be a good sell.

PT is still a bit behind

It's not "a bit behind", it's several times behind and more than that if you consider lack of RR on AMD side.

 

[M1987]

It's not on the same level and what's more important it's nowhere close to the same market penetration.
The fact that four cards in AMD segment can do FSR4 in 1/10th of games which support DLSS do not make AMD GPUs on a whole similar to what Nvidia has now with DLSS.
It will take several years for AMD to reach that level.


It is not "more powerful than 5070 Ti", that's FUD.
It is priced according to its performance - which is good as two AMD previous gens were priced well above the levels where they would be a good sell.


It's not "a bit behind", it's several times behind and more than that if you consider lack of RR on AMD side.

The AMD equivalent of RR is coming later this year,but I don't know if it will actually make a difference and close the gap

 

[Von Hugh]

It is not "more powerful than 5070 Ti", that's FUD.
It is priced according to its performance - which is good as two AMD previous gens were priced well above the levels where they would be a good sell.

If that comment was FUD, why are you replying with more FUD and not facts?

But to be fair, mix a few pathtraced or Nvidia sponsored games into the mix, which there are plenty, and the results are in favor of the 5070 Ti:

 

[Bojji]

If that comment was FUD, why are you replying with more FUD and not facts?

But to be fair, mix a few pathtraced or Nvidia sponsored games into the mix, which there are plenty, and the results are in favor of the 5070 Ti:

No one other than HUD found that high improvement with the drivers (and it's pretty much the same for both GPUs in 4k).

Both GPUs are more or less the same level in raster and close in hybrid RT.

 

[Crayon]

Post in thread 'Linux Bros, what's the best Linux OS for gaming (GOG and Steam)?' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/linu...r-gaming-gog-and-steam.1683312/post-270598927

ProtonEM and ProtonGE uses the same command now.

EDIT: It's possible now since AMD shares FSR4 DLLs on their FTP.

Index of /476273/dir/bin/amdxcffx64.dll

So they are actually making it easy for us Linux bros.

Plus hacked FP8 stuff got integrated into main Mesa branch until AMD fully opens FSR4 on Linux.

EDIT2:

GE-Proton 10-9 released with NTSYNC and FSR4 upgrade support

GE-Proton 10-9 is out now with some exciting sounding new features like NTSYNC and FSR4 upgrade support for gamers on Linux, SteamOS and Steam Deck.

www.gamingonlinux.com

NTSYNC is huge too. Although that's a test feature for now in some games it does nothing, others have FPS boost.

EDIT3: OptiScaler works on Linux too. You just have to put FSR4 dll in the same folder and it injects it. Run Windows OptiScaler.bat file with Wine.

Damn thanks for catching me up on the news. I've been squeezed out of gaming time for weeks now and haven't looked into it.

I knew that optiscaler worked but I was happy to just wait for development to catch up. Sounds like things are now just a tweak away from working though.

 

[SolidQ]

RDNA4 Kicker?

AMD Linux Driver Prepares For Radeon RDNA4 "Kicker" - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com