Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

ResurrectedContrarian said:
Objectively they were the cause of some specific shootings, where their mental disease was also clearly connected with their reasoning & belief system behind the killing. So yes, every single counselor, doctor, etc who signed off on pushing their confusion further or getting them "affirming" chemicals or treatments should be held responsible for the deaths.

Also, the violence of trans activists in the online space exceeds nearly every other group. I can bring receipts if you'd like. Many, many, many accounts across a ton of platforms calling to kill "terfs" in grotesque ways. A movement that is far outside the pale of what is acceptable.
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Not to mention the side effects of massive amounts of sex hormones being pumped into the brains of people who are already in a somewhat vulnerable or precarious emotional state.
 
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Conspiracy Theories are starting that the old guy (1st guy taken into custody), was a distraction so the shooter could get away. Not sure if true or not, but it was enough of a distraction for that to happen, wether intentional or not.
 
I equally loathe both parties that run this country. It's a dog and pony show and all these politicians and influencers only care about money. They don't value human life in general.

The Dems have no message at all. While the MAGA's and ultra-conservatives ironically have basically created an anti-incentive to be "reasonable" to the point it's so wild that anyone still bothers to even entertain the thought of any outreach or coming to the table with them. A tale as old as Fox News.

As usual, that Trump speech is word salad.
Brings up attacks on ICE Agents, the 2017 Congressional Baseball Game shooting that wounded Steve Scalise (R), and his own assassination attempt. Nothing about the Minnesota attacks in June which killed and injured Democratic politicians.

It's so clear to see why both of these parties are ran by brainless tyrants. Once human life is disregarded, you're looking down the abyss.

This country needs a hard reset. Who knows what that looks like without an alternative party that can have actual values and can get anything done that represents the people.
 
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WoeIsMe said:
Being for guns to be able to defend one self and family equals being for gun violence, murder and death? Come on people... atleast think before typing.
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No he literally said he is okay with gun violence as long as the 2nd amendment is kept, there is no lines to read between it was his actual words.
 
ThatOneGrunt said:
I never said that. I'm also not the person that said "he's one of the good ones" like the person I was commenting on did. He regularly said horrible, discriminatory things. It's shocking that anyone would think otherwise.
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Nothing that you said is either fully explained in context or sourced, and one of those things isn't even about personal beliefs so much as an acknowledgement of explicated and recorded doctrine.

I am going to make this very, very simple. This past year'a TPUSA conference, there were a few speakers who have revealed themselves to be further to the right than previously admitted or drifted that way compared to before. Tucker Carlson, for example, has gone full wishcasting mode for Sino-Russian led multipolarity featuring authoritarian right regimes.

There was a lot of debate about bringing Nick Fuentes into the fold. This has almost guaranteed that will happen in the next couple years. And there are people more extreme than even him who would slip through the open door. Kirk was pushing against that pressure. He would've had to make some very tough choices in the post-Trump 2028 frame, but he did at least delay/repel the radical elements from at least openly presenting themselves in mainstream politics.

An innocent man is dead, and that's what counts more to me. But if you think Kirk was bad, you have zero conception of the kinds of people that will step in as a result of his assassination.
 
L*][*N*K said:
No he literally said he is okay with gun violence as long as the 2nd amendment is kept, there is no lines to read between it was his actual words.
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Being "okay with gun violence" and "there will be some violence associated with the liberty of owning firearms" are two different things. You are trying to spin it - should we get rid of cars (something he mentions also)? It will reduce deaths.
 
I can't put into words what to say other then R.I.P
and hope the world heals from this sick "them Vs us" mentality in time so his kids can live a better tomorrow.
 
ThatOneGrunt said:
Trump just made it illegal to burn the American flag. Someone that Charlie Kirk advocated for. That's not an attack on the freedom of speech? He just had law enforcement shut down a 44 year old peace vigil at the capitol. Took 2.2 billion away from Harvard because the campus had Pro Palestine protestors. Blocked the associated press from white house press briefings. Charlie Kirk used Turning point to threaten professors who he thought were spreading "left wing propaganda". Wanted to create laws against Drag shows. Wanted lgbtq books taken out of schools. Don't try to paint him as some kind of hero of the first amendment.
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What a bunch of crappy arguments.

Trump was elected not appointed by Charlie, you can't blame him for what Trump did.

As the for rest of the accuses, it was all his fucking free speeches. You think it's bullshits? Go debate him, prove his wrong.

But instead, all you do is to call him a one of the worst, Nazi, fascist, and now he is dead, murdered publicly.
 
rm082e said:
Kirk said the violence and death was worth it. These are his own words:

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Ok, so I watched that video. I did not hear him or anyone accept(condone) murder, death and violence with guns? Or am I missing something? It sadly comes with the price, to be able to defend one self and family is what I got from the video.
To be clear, I'm not American and english is not my first language.
 
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WoeIsMe said:
Ok, so I watched that video. I did not hear him or anyone accept(condone?) murder, death and violence with guns? Or am I missing something? It sadly comes with the price, to be able to defend one self and family is what I got from the video.
To be clear, I'm not American and english is not my first language.
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Nope, you're not missing anything. You hear correctly, unfortunately many would like to paint this as him condoning violence with guns.
 
calico said:
What is the point you are trying to make?
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That he himself understood senseless gun violence is the price we pay to have the freedom to own guns. That you can't have an armed society and expect there not to be ambient level of gun violence that is unsolvable. He accepted it.

I did not agree with many of his opinions, but this is one where I think he was spot on. He was intellectually honest about the situation, planted his flag, and stuck by it. I respect that.
 
TGO said:
I can't put into words what to say other then R.I.P
and hope the world heals from this sick "them Vs us" mentality in time so his kids can live a better tomorrow.
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We've never been free from it.

It's what makes us human.

Tribalism is a deeply ingrained part of our human evolutionary psychology
 
Madflavor said:
I feel like there's a good chance the shooter might actually get away with it. Would love to be proven wrong, but it's not looking good. Whoever killed Charlie really seemed to know what they were doing. Using a high powered rifle, a single kill shot right in the juggular from 200 yards aways, totally disappeared afterward. Seems to have kept a low profile too, because aside from some iphone footage of a figure on a rooftop from a far away distance, there's no close up footage from any other camera. And this happened like 7-8 hours ago? If that guy had an escape plan and a place to lie low for awhile, he's probably already there.

In and out like a ghost.
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They'll get cocky and try it again, the rush will be high and they will want to replicate it and will likely be caught and put down.
 
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Thought this thread could use a moment of levity.
 
DownLikeBCPowder said:
Being "okay with gun violence" and "there will be some violence associated with the liberty of owning firearms" are two different things. You are trying to spin it - should we get rid of cars (something he mentions also)? It will reduce deaths.
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Yes because cars have one purpose just like guns, we only use cars for one thing. Damn I just got owned by a Master Debater I should have picked my battles.
 
LectureMaster said:
What a bunch of crappy arguments.

Trump was elected not appointed by Charlie, you can't blame him for what Trump did.

As the for rest of the accuses, it was all his fucking free speeches. You think it's bullshits? Go debate him, prove his wrong.

But instead, all you do is to call him a one of the worst, Nazi, fascist, and now he is dead, murdered publicly.
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I never called him any of those things. Read better.
 
rm082e said:
Kirk said the violence and death was worth it. These are his own words:

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Give me liberty or give me death.

Benjamin Franklin also wrote, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

What Charlie said there is not a new idea, it's intrinsic to American values. There's a cost to having freedom.
 
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LectureMaster said:
What a bunch of crappy arguments.

Trump was elected not appointed by Charlie, you can't blame him for what Trump did.

As the for rest of the accuses, it was all his fucking free speeches. You think it's bullshits? Go debate him, prove his wrong.

But instead, all you do is to call him a one of the worst, Nazi, fascist, and now he is dead, murdered publicly.
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Unrelated but glad you're back dude
 
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I hate everyone who works there and they released an "apology" video saying people were laughing at a car chase and not the death of Charlie. So let's pretend that's even legit (uh huh….) they didn't know that anyone was on the air to discuss this news? Some claim while watching live, these people were laughing before the announcement was even made…so no one told them to be quiet then?

TMZ are such a bunch of bellends.
 
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