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[Sooner]

I love how Gaf loves to beat a dead horse.

Xbox death is completely overshadowing any other news.

One of the Big 3 actively dying in front of our eyes is obviously going to be the current talking point.

It's like the news stations all talking about how war was just declared and you're wondering why we aren't getting any more segments about the baby panda that was just born at the zoo.

 

[Sethbacca]

Who knows? One day we might find out that Spencer Phil was the hero who protected the Xbox division for as long as possible amid shareholder pressure!

Would have been better off to let it die on a high note than go out like this.

 

[ecosse_011172]

They've patented things like how you throw the ball, how the animals are entering battle etc.

It's like if a company patented first person view, being able to jump in a shooter, and having patent on using a pistol.

As I said, an OTT patent.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

One of the Big 3 actively dying in front of our eyes is obviously going to be the current talking point.

It's like the news stations all talking about how war was just declared and you're wondering why we aren't getting any more segments about the baby panda that was just born at the zoo.

100% agree with it being a talking point as it should be

Its amusing to me the amount of "adults" celebrating the demise of a toy

Just my thoughts

 

[Poppinfresh]

He took all of that money and tried buying his way into making gamepass the premier subscription service, but instead he managed to make one the biggest gaming blunders in history by going all in on gamepass.

I will die on the hill that the only mistake made with GamePass was allowing MS' 1st Party games to be available places outside of GamePass.

Every single first-party Microsoft title should have been GamePass exclusive, no exceptions. You want to play? Subscribe to Game Pass.

I'd also argue that MS shouldn't have promised release day parity between Xbox and PC. It's great for PC gamers, but there should have been console exclusives. I mean, as someone with a decent PC, there is absolutely no real reason for me to own an Xbox unless I'm interested in X360 backwards compatibility or the handful of 3rd party titles that are console exclusive (EA Sports and MLB Show are the ones that come to mind).

 

[Horseganador]

It's not good, that's putting it mildly. People will talk for years about how Xbox, with tens of billions in investment and endless money, ended up failing due to sheer incompetence.

 

[Baemono]

Its amusing to me the amount of "adults" celebrating the demise of a toy

Just my thoughts

I think it's more the "it's about time" feeling some of us had for years seeing incompetence being covered up by lies and fake promises for 10 years now, as I believe there is nothing more frustrating than seeing incompetence and lie being rewarded.

And of course every company does that, but I don't recall the other companies heavily encouraging its fans to keep the head in the sand and to call out those who dare remove their heads from time to time to question the logic behind it.

 

[Sethbacca]

Its amusing to me the amount of "adults" celebrating the demise of a toy

I think it's not so much about the joy of the demise of a toy and more a celebration of the forum being mostly right about everything for the last decade. It's less of an "I'm glad it's gone" and more of an "I told you so" about all of MS shitty practices.

At least thats the way it looks to me.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I think it's more the "it's about time" feeling some of us had for years seeing incompetence being covered up by lies and fake promises for 10 years now, as I believe there is nothing more frustrating than seeing incompetence and lie being rewarded.

And of course every company does that, but I don't recall the other companies heavily encouraging its fans to keep the head in the sand and to call out those who dare remove their heads from time to time to question the logic behind it.

One of my biggest complaints with Xbox is how they interacted with so many toxic people and rewarded that type of online behavior

Just wish they would have changed course long ago when they saw the declines instead of doubling down on stupidity

Edit - I will add I wouldn't be celebrating too early, not just yet anyhow

 

[Bodom78]

Had all the boxes since the original but happy for it to end here. No interest in handhelds and the direction MS is going with Gamepaas is not for me.

Would be nice if the did release another console, I really like the hardware and aesthetic of the Series X.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

100% agree with it being a talking point as it should be

Its amusing to me the amount of "adults" celebrating the demise of a toy

Just my thoughts

Sometimes one has to dance and sing when the Wicked Witch get flattened by a house.

Xbox had a reason to exist, several game gens ago. But they are now a rotten corpse that had to be exorcised because they are stinking up the place.

And as i mentioned several times, I am looking forward to new competitors. Competent people who have both money AND sense. Xbox just had money.

 

[Ceadeus]

If Xbox shuts down I'll be happy Nintendo is there because console gaming would be grim as fuck with only PS remaining

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Sometimes one has to dance and sing when the Wicked Witch get flattened by a house.

Xbox had a reason to exist, several game gens ago. But they are now a rotten corpse that had to be exorcised because they are stinking up the place.

And as i mentioned several times, I am looking forward to new competitors. Competent people who have both money AND sense. Xbox just had money.

Maybe, when I was 12

Guess I just don't get overly invested into these things

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Microsoft tried to sink the competition and impose policies that would deteriorate the industry, according to their own words. In a healthy market such proposition has no place so we are right to celebrate they failed.

 

[graywolf323]

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Maybe, when I was 12

Guess I just don't get overly invested into these things

I mention many times that Sony really dropped the ball on many of their departments, and that it is miracle PlayStation worked out. So I can hope that a new group of people can challenge them. And it wouldn't cost that much for megacorps. I can see Amazon succeeding as much as anyone else. It just had to be taken seriously and by dedicated people.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I mention many times that Sony really dropped the ball on many of their departments, and that it is miracle PlayStation worked out. So I can hope that a new group of people can challenge them. And it wouldn't cost that much for megacorps. I can see Amazon succeeding as much as anyone else. It just had to be taken seriously and by dedicated people.

Sony was smart enough to make some changes and course correct

Xbox not so much

 

[PlayStaytion]

I don't care, it's obvious the GamePass team's plan is targeting a new type of audience, who cancelled their membership aren't quitting the platform or the hobby and it's not hard to choose between the service or buying every game you want.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Really? I thought the Xbox situation was good.

 

[diffusionx]

100% agree with it being a talking point as it should be

Its amusing to me the amount of "adults" celebrating the demise of a toy

Just my thoughts

Microsoft tried to use their money and resources to become a monopoly and make GamePass the center of the industry, like what Spotify did in music, people who didn't want that are justifiably happy it didn't work.

 

[JORMBO]

Xbox killed Timdog

 

[Humdinger]

Xbox killed Timdog

I guess this means he won't share anything about that big scoop he supposedly got.

Hasn't he closed several accounts and then opened new ones later? I'm glad he's taking a break, but I assume he'll be back with a different tag later.

 

[Humdinger]

Sometimes one has to dance and sing when the Wicked Witch get flattened by a house.

Haha, that's a great analogy. A gif waiting to happen (although it would make us the seven dwarves).

 

[RetroGamingUK]

CrapGamer isn't happy by the looks of things…

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Xbox killed Timdog

Dude isn't right

Follow up to my earlier post but these types of "adults" amuse me even more

The cult like following Xbox has baffles me

 

[Baemono]

Xbox killed Timdog

And turns out he will be back as MegaTimDog

 

[Topher]

One of my biggest complaints with Xbox is how they interacted with so many toxic people and rewarded that type of online behavior

Just wish they would have changed course long ago when they saw the declines instead of doubling down on stupidity

Edit - I will add I wouldn't be celebrating too early, not just yet anyhow

I keep hoping there will be a change in leadership. I want there to be more Xbox consoles, but I want them to be built on a solid foundation. Phil Spencer and his team do not understand how to do that. Game Pass (as it is) doesn't do that. Having zero exclusives on the platform certainly doesn't. And putting competing stores on the console is about the single most idiotic idea I've heard yet. Phil Spencer trying to be CEO "Kumbaya, my Lord" just isn't working.

 

[PauloRoberto]

100% agree with it being a talking point as it should be

Its amusing to me the amount of "adults" celebrating the demise of a toy

Just my thoughts

Allow me to explain my personal PoV.

Yes, im a public xbox BUSINESS MODEL hater, for me it represents everything wrong with capitalim it self!

- a bunch of clueless higher level management people to coward to assume and try to correct their mistakes and are always rewarded for that!
- a cult of idiots that are paid to regurgitate whatever higher management wants them to regurgitate, without any care.
- a bunch of really good people that always are on the short stick of everything that happens (im talking about tango in this case)
- a bunch of corporate leeches tbhat are almost rewared for this behavior (im talk about perfect dark and the initiative studios)
- a comporate that does not know how to fight its rivals in a healthly way (Nutella, i remember when you told everyone that ' mobile first, cloud first' bull shit, why require a return to office? If so, why would I believe in anything you say? :-D)

So yeah, im rooting for this failure... and its 100% their fault, and they already achieved that. Im sure that nexbox will be as important for the market as surface...

 

[Klayzer]

I keep hoping there will be a change in leadership. I want there to be more Xbox consoles, but I want them to be built on a solid foundation. Phil Spencer and his team do not understand how to do that. Game Pass (as it is) doesn't do that. Having zero exclusives on the platform certainly doesn't. And putting competing stores on the console is about the single most idiotic idea I've heard yet. Phil Spencer trying to be CEO "Kumbaya, my Lord" just isn't working.

New leadership, with a renewed outlook on games, could've saved Xbox. IMO.

 

[Humdinger]

I keep hoping there will be a change in leadership. I want there to be more Xbox consoles, but I want them to be built on a solid foundation.

It's nice to have fantasies.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I love how Gaf loves to beat a dead horse.

Xbox death is completely overshadowing any other news.

Excuse me, but the horse is not dead yet. It's on life support and still breathing.
We are just cheering as it dies.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Allow me to explain my personal PoV.

Yes, im a public xbox BUSINESS MODEL hater, for me it represents everything wrong with capitalim it self!

- a bunch of clueless higher level management people to coward to assume and try to correct their mistakes and are always rewarded for that!
- a cult of idiots that are paid to regurgitate whatever higher management wants them to regurgitate, without any care.
- a bunch of really good people that always are on the short stick of everything that happens (im talking about tango in this case)
- a bunch of corporate leeches tbhat are almost rewared for this behavior (im talk about perfect dark and the initiative studios)
- a comporate that does not know how to fight its rivals in a healthly way (Nutella, i remember when you told everyone that ' mobile first, cloud first' bull shit, why require a return to office? If so, why would I believe in anything you say? :-D)

So yeah, im rooting for this failure... and its 100% their fault, and they already achieved that. Im sure that nexbox will be as important for the market as surface...

Oh I 100% want a house cleaning at Xbox and try to change course, Phil's demise I understand

Wanting Xbox as a platform to go away I don't get

Well I do actually, just not outside the framework of console wars

 

[PauloRoberto]

Oh I 100% want a house cleaning at Xbox and try to change course, Phil's demise I understand

Wanting Xbox as a platform to go away I don't get

Well I do actually, just not outside the framework of console wars

That is the problem for MS as a company... i simply feel they aren't capable of that, it's in their DNA... it feels like good and healthly products of them are exception, not the norm (and Im a .NET architect!).

Personal story time: 11 years ago i was a MS contractor and i dared to show i know something a little bit more than a senior dev there... god damm it, even when i laughed he tried to public scold me because, of 15 people, i was laughing too loud and breaking his concentration... after that i discovred that even other employees did not like him andwanted to punch him (literally), and the leader did nothing to make the environment a little bit better. Six months after my departure, i discovered that nutella cut the whole department... i keep asking my self why :-D

So no, I dont believe MS is capable of making a better product because MS today is giving no fucks about... consumer products -> it's was SERVICE, SERVICE, SERVICE... and now is AI, AI AI...

 

[Astray]

100% agree with it being a talking point as it should be

Its amusing to me the amount of "adults" celebrating the demise of a toy

Just my thoughts

To me this kinda oversimplifies it.

Some are into it for a victory lap, some are gravedancing, some are talking about to analyze it and some are coming in to say "I told you so" after being bulshitted to for ages for daring to doubt the glorious leader Spencer (man re-reading the ABK deal threads both on here and Resetera make for some dark comedy!).

The big issue IMO, is Xbox leadership has really micromanaged its relationship with its consumers and the gaming public/devs to the point of manipulation, as in we only got to know what makes them look good and anything they makes them look bad they obfuscate or outright hide!, And now the chickens have come to roost and people demand answers on like a 1000 questions.

Like I bet you there are big crisis meetings at T2 to figure out if and how this affects their GTA6 launch, %100 other publishers are doing the same. Forums Twitter etc are all on fire too.

None of this is good for the brand imho.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

That is the problem for MS as a company... i simply feel they aren't capable of that, it's in their DNA... it feels like good and health products of them are exception, not the norm (and Im a .NET architect!).

Personal story time: 11 years ago i was a MS contractor and i dared to show i know something a little bit more than a senior dev there... god damm it, even when i laughed he tried to public scold me because, of 15 people, i was laughing too loud and breaking his concentration... after that i discovred that even other employees did not like him andwanted to punch him (literally), and the leader did nothing to make the environment a little bit better. Six months after my departure, i discovered that nutella cut the whole department... i keep asking my self why :-D

So no, I dont believe MS is capable of making a better product because MS today is giving no fucks about... consumer products -> it's was SERVICE, SERVICE, SERVICE... and now is AI, AI AI...

I guess my frustration just lies in the fact they wont change as they die, and no one is smart enough there to realize it

 

[Astray]

CrapGamer isn't happy by the looks of things…

This guy is one of the weirdest, his Twitter is all Xbox criticism, but his YT is all Xbox glazing (until now it seems).

 

[RetroGamingUK]

This guy is one of the weirdest, his Twitter is all Xbox criticism, but his YT is all Xbox glazing (until now it seems).

He was one of the biggest Xbox fanboys and evangelisers going.

When news of those 4 games broke he absolutely fucking lost it

 

[SamuraiEdge]

With the recent posts above, I would say it would be the healthiest all round if Microsoft just went third party and accepted their position as a software company to begin with, given the heads at the top have the say and their way of business just doesn't work on the more humane side of things, enabling the worst of those enthusiasts and such. Be nice to see less of that and more positive/healthier ways.

 

[Poppinfresh]

With the recent posts above, I would say it would be the healthiest all round if Microsoft just went third party and accepted their position as a software company to begin with,

What Microsoft hardware has ever really succeeded long-term?

Zune?
Windows Phone?
Xbox?
Surface?

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

It's tragic that the only company that can afford huge financial losses without winking, instead of elevating this industry with higher standards that would give profits in the long run, promoted a junk food model.

They are soulless suits who never understood or liked videogames as entertainment or artistic work. The same goes with other leeches like Amazon or Google. At least those didnt last long.

 

[Elfstar]

Videogame fandom will ALWAYS attract adultchildren in need for an identity no matter what, so gaming discussion will never, ever get past kindergarden-level, no matter how much some site and their users try to act mature and neutral, they're all just pretending. All of them have their "secret" irrational agenda, and this is a fact.

That said, you can also make the case that Microsoft had a terrible influence on this business, they introduced the online fee cancer that still today makes console-gaming look like the stupid mofos' choice, they killed every Sega ips and any other Japanese exclusive game they hosted, they tried to push extremely oppressive always-online drms as the standard, they bought giant-ass publishers trying to kill their competition with it, etc.

It's ok to cheer on Xbox's death.

 

[SamuraiEdge]

What Microsoft hardware has ever really succeeded long-term?

Zune?
Windows Phone?
Xbox?
Surface?

Hmmm, I think Surface is fine as it's just a windows oem machine that will sell depending, but xbox is definitely the most wasted potential as far as company executive mishandling goes by far.

Death by a thousand cuts couldn't have been best described with the situation.

 

[StueyDuck]

It's a nice distraction while big AI gets ready to rip the head clean off the entire games industry.

It's gonna take many, many years, and these pubs will need to start buying up nuclear power stations to handle all the energy needed to have a constant stream of AI games being churned out.

 

[The_Mike]

If Xbox shuts down I'll be happy Nintendo is there because console gaming would be grim as fuck with only PS remaining

Sony and Nintendo wouldn't affect each other, as they dont share the same game library.

 

[PatientGamer]

Thanks for the memories Xbox, you did well to last 24 years.

If the average game company made even 1 of your calamitous mistakes; it would've ended them. But you made error after error, in succession since 2013; seems like it caught up to you in the end.

Would've thought the $70bn acquisition of AKB would turn their fortunes around, but it's just made things worse.

Just goes to show how different the gaming industry is to all other software markets. You can't just buy up every studio and expect to become successful like you do with the average SaaS product.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Xbox death is completely overshadowing any other news.

What other news?

Microsoft tried to sink the competition and impose policies that would deteriorate the industry, according to their own words. In a healthy market such proposition has no place so we are right to celebrate they failed.

That part.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

still in disbelief that ms bought so many studios and effectively did nothing with them

 

[KungFucius]

I will die on the hill that the only mistake made with GamePass was allowing MS' 1st Party games to be available places outside of GamePass.

Every single first-party Microsoft title should have been GamePass exclusive, no exceptions. You want to play? Subscribe to Game Pass.

I'd also argue that MS shouldn't have promised release day parity between Xbox and PC. It's great for PC gamers, but there should have been console exclusives. I mean, as someone with a decent PC, there is absolutely no real reason for me to own an Xbox unless I'm interested in X360 backwards compatibility or the handful of 3rd party titles that are console exclusive (EA Sports and MLB Show are the ones that come to mind).

Why would MS care if you bought a console, which is usually subsidized, just to play a handful of exclusives? That's not significantly better than you buying their games on PC or subbing to GP there. What would be better is you playing all other games on the Xbox instead of PC but they can't compete there for the typical PC gamer.

 

[cireza]

MVG is a cool guy but these kind of videos aren't very insightful.

 

[Baemono]

still in disbelief that ms bought so many studios and effectively did nothing with them

It's the same situation as Sony buying Bungie or Take Two buying Zynga. Overpaid stuff that doesn't bear any significant fruit.