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ROG Xbox Ally X vs Nintendo Switch 2 | Full Comparison | Graphics, Battery & Performance
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LordOcidax
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I was missing that the Rog Xbox Ally X is using frame gen in Cyberpunk and Outlaws… And Outlaws barely hits 35 fps… 
CloudShiner
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Switch 2 holding up well against this thing but biggest problem for Switch 2 is that God awful screen. It undoes all of the good things when you have to look at your games on THAT.
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Pimpbaa
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They both have shit screens (although the Switch 2 is way worse in regards to pixel response times). Edge lit lcd is garbarge plus all version of the Rog Ally have small ass 7 inch screens (which even the Switch 1 exceeded with the OLED version). In the case of the Rog Ally Xbox X, a premium product should come with a premium screen. And it's not like the Switch 2 is cheap for anyone in the west (they still got early Switch 1 pricing in Japan and maybe rest of Asia, i dunno) so that should come with a better screen too. It's really hard to go back to a LCD seen or have an OLED Switch 1 or OLED Steam Deck.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I also can't believe a $1000 gaming handheld doesn't have an OLED display. Particularly when the Steam Deck OLED can be had for $549
Deck OLED lacks VRR, though.
The only Z2 Extreme handheld with an OLED VRR display costs $1400
Lightbreak
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I thought i never say this but, for half the price, Switch 2 beats the crap out of the Ally X. The Ally X even looks blurry, what a rip off. And this is coming from someone who despises current Nintendo.
Edit: To be fair, i think the same about Nintendo and Microsoft
Edit: To be fair, i think the same about Nintendo and Microsoft
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RoboFu
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thats a dumb nit pick as the rog ally doesn't limit itself to different modes its always running the best it can.
Mister Wolf
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Topher
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No it isn't a "dumb nit pick". Not when this channel is using FSR to make it look worse than Switch 2. In those comparison, Rog Ally X is running 1080p 80 fps with FSR and FG. Switch 2 is 1080p 30fps with DLSS. The Rog Ally X doesn't need upscaling to get 1080p 30fps It can do that natively.
AngelMuffin
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Nintendoes
MisterXDTV
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You are right, but is 1080p native gonna be better than 1080p DLSS considering also the insane price difference between the two devices?
What happens if we make the comparison with the "standard" ROG Ally or the Steam Deck for that matter?
Mister Wolf
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Yeah. I understand the criticisms of the product, but this video is completely disingenuous. From what you said, to not even bothering to implement FSR4 into the game when we know he is completely capable of installing the simple mod as he has made videos implementing Hardware Lumen into games that do not have it in their settings by default. He smart though because negativity always generates more attention.
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Mister Wolf
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The DLSS utilized by the Switch 2 would produce no better image quality results then if the vid maker opted to install FSR4 into the game through mods on this Windows device, while having power to spare for improving other settings.
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mckmas8808
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No, it's math and science. And it's amazing!
Topher
Identifies as young
Price difference has nothing to do with this thread. The comparison images being shown are bullshit. It is more a comparison of FSR vs DLSS than Rog Ally X vs Switch 2.
CoreyFlawless
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Have to wait for another comparison video. If it true about this person.
MisterXDTV
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Maybe not with this thread....
But a $450 shouldn't be comparable with a $1000 one in the first place
No matter how you slice it, the fact that a comparison is even close shows that top of the line PC handhelds suck big time in value
It's even embarassing in a way
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Baemono
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It's a stupid take.
Switch 2 has 2 power mode, one low and one high. The Rog Ally X has several power modes I suppose, the video is comparing both highest modes available.
The guy who made the video could've plug the Rog Ally X to a dock to pretend to be more accurate but the result would've been the same.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
The Switch 2 is able to render with DLSS and the Rog Ally X is only capable of rendering with FSR. Not sure why that's bullshit. It's a very relevant comparison of the capabilities of each device.
Topher
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His point is they should compare like for like.
Because the Rog Ally X can run CBP2077 at 1080p 30fps natively. It doesn't need FSR to match Switch 2 with DLSS.
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Baemono
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Okay, a « yeah but actually » improved with DLSS and FSR4 type of guy, I see.
I still find the comparison stupid tbf. The youtuber who made the video clearly rushed his comparison a bit to be the first to publish
RodriGames40
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Switch 2 can do 40 fps as well, though? And for what's worth, it's still hanging at around 40 fps in these tests without frame gen, so it's not like the extra grunt is showing all that much.
viveks86
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Comparisons are to be made only if you at least attempt to do apples-apples. If we are comparing handhelds, what's the best looking version of this game on Switch 2 handheld mode vs Ally X? That's an actual attempt at getting to the truth, even if an exact settings match isn't viable. This particular comparison isn't doing any of that, which is par for the course with ElAnalistaBits.
All this is showing is DLSS eats FSR 3's breakfast. Well... no shit!
kevboard
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the Ally can use XeSS and also can render natively at way higher resolutions if you match the settings
Mister Wolf
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Why did he even opt to use FSR 3.0 when XeSS 2.0 was available in the settings? We know why.
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MisterXDTV
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I get the complaints about the test method but I'm very doubtful that even with the best possible settings/wattage on the Ally X the difference would be transformative vs Switch 2
So it means very little in the big picture
So it means very little in the big picture
LordOcidax
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You can't change settings on Switch 2 games, is fair to use a similar settings configuration on the Rog Xbox X vs Switch 2. So at the end is going to be a DLSS ve FSR comparison
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Topher
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I'm not saying Switch 2 doesn't perform well. It certainly does. I'm just saying the comparisons in the video are flawed. No one should be passing around these Cyberpunk 2077 images comparing Switch 2 and Xbox Ally X for the reasons stated above.
kevboard
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I don't even think there's any nefarious motive behind it, I think the guy is just an idiot.
he completely undersold the resolutions of most of the early Switch 2 releases for example, by claiming that Splatoon 3's Switch 2 update runs at 1440p using DLSS up to 4k, when in reality it runs at a very stable native dynamic 4k with essentially no Antialiasing... so it's impossible to think it's using DLSS, unless you're completely unaware what DLSS does.
he did the same with Mario Odyssey and some other games.
he clearly doesn't know how to properly pixel count games or what DLSS is, which is kinda insane given his content... it's not that hard, so I also just assume he's too dumb to do proper comparisons with proper settings.
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Mister Wolf
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The image quality would be equal if using FSR4 vs that CNN model in the Switch 2 while having better settings and/or higher framerates.
viveks86
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Ally X can do XeSS 2. It can also do 1080p native with Framegen off. If you cap it at 30 fps, you can probably even go above 1080p. The point is to compare the best of each version. Not the best of one and some random combination on the other.You can't change settings on Switch 2 games, is fair to use a similar settings configuration on the Rog Xbox X vs Switch 2. So at the end is going to be a DLSS ve FSR comparison
Zacfoldor
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Think I'll stick with Switch 2 for now.
Steam Deck 2 in a few years may catch my interest but Switch 2 is a great device and way under-rated especially for a dock-only player like me. There really is no challenge for Switch 2 if you are a docker. I'm docked right now. I'm been docked for 2 weeks straight before. I keep a small fan under the dock for air.
Steam Deck 2 in a few years may catch my interest but Switch 2 is a great device and way under-rated especially for a dock-only player like me. There really is no challenge for Switch 2 if you are a docker. I'm docked right now. I'm been docked for 2 weeks straight before. I keep a small fan under the dock for air.
Donkusei
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It doesn't change anything anyway because most of the time 1080p DLSS is better than native (because you also get a good AA with DLSS).
Miyazaki’s Slave
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Personally I don't play "current gen" games on my portables.
Set up the Ally X and I think the most intensive game I have tried at this point is D4. It's serviceable, sure, but I just have a crap ton of "older AAA" games, indie games, and tons of emu on it.
I have mostly been disappointed by size at this point...the unit is just huge! I am not bothered as much by the controller grips (they are great for my hill giant hands) but dis' unit THICCCCCC.
My actual shopping habits aside, if I could only have ONE device I would buy the last gen Ally at 1/3 the price instead of this one and I wouldn't even consider the updated Ally at $600.
Set up the Ally X and I think the most intensive game I have tried at this point is D4. It's serviceable, sure, but I just have a crap ton of "older AAA" games, indie games, and tons of emu on it.
I have mostly been disappointed by size at this point...the unit is just huge! I am not bothered as much by the controller grips (they are great for my hill giant hands) but dis' unit THICCCCCC.
My actual shopping habits aside, if I could only have ONE device I would buy the last gen Ally at 1/3 the price instead of this one and I wouldn't even consider the updated Ally at $600.
kevboard
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it's also generally hard to match what the Switch 2 is doing, as the Switch 2 has multiple custom settings. so a proper comparison will need to make that very clear so that there's proper context to the comparison done.
a simple example of a custom setting is, if you use XeSS to run at 720p internally and then reconstruct to 1080p, the game will run post processing at 1080p.
but that's not what the Switch 2 version does. the Switch 2 version runs post processing at the internal render resolution, not the target resolution.
that alone will probably lose you 1ms of render time or more depending on the scene (like whenever strong DOF is used, that number will shoot up dramatically)
Zacfoldor
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Wait wait wait wait wait.....
Switch 2 gets more powerful when it is docked.
Are you telling me the Xbox Ally X does NOT get more powerful when it is docked?
Is that true? My goodness, if that is true it is crazy what people are paying for this. Does Steam Deck get more powerful when it is docked? Are ANY of these PC handhelds more powerful than the Switch 2 is docked? I always just assumed you could plug them into power and get better graphics....like on the fucking thing they copied.....
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Wow, ai says, "No, a docked Steam Deck does not get more powerful"
Does everyone here know this?
Like, this will win me arguments bigly, I had no idea. That seems like a big thing to leave out.
Can I ask WHY oh WHY do these things not increase in power once they are plugged into an outlet?
How can Nintendo do this but these things not offer it? Why?
Edit: Asked and answered, it DOES get more powerful when power is applied.
Switch 2 gets more powerful when it is docked.
Are you telling me the Xbox Ally X does NOT get more powerful when it is docked?
Is that true? My goodness, if that is true it is crazy what people are paying for this. Does Steam Deck get more powerful when it is docked? Are ANY of these PC handhelds more powerful than the Switch 2 is docked? I always just assumed you could plug them into power and get better graphics....like on the fucking thing they copied.....
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Wow, ai says, "No, a docked Steam Deck does not get more powerful"
Does everyone here know this?
Like, this will win me arguments bigly, I had no idea. That seems like a big thing to leave out.
Can I ask WHY oh WHY do these things not increase in power once they are plugged into an outlet?
How can Nintendo do this but these things not offer it? Why?
Edit: Asked and answered, it DOES get more powerful when power is applied.
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Mister Wolf
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Wait wait wait wait wait.....
Switch 2 gets more powerful when it is docked.
Are you telling me the Xbox Ally X does NOT get more powerful when it is docked?
Is that true? My goodness, if that is true it is crazy what people are paying for this. Does Steam Deck get more powerful when it is docked? Are ANY of these PC handhelds more powerful than the Switch 2 is docked? I always just assumed you could plug them into power and get better graphics....like on the fucking thing they copied.....
Yes. The Xbox Rog Ally X allows for higher TDP when plugged in. 35W not available on battery power which tops out at 25W.
rodrigolfp
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kevboard
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yeah, but that's a hack to be fair. XeSS is right there in the settings menu as per a default option.
apple_of_enlightenment
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From that video the Xbox Rog has terrible antialiasing in comparison with S2?? Cyberpunk looks better on S2 too. Why is this??
Zacfoldor
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Okay, good. Thank you, lol. I was like WTF. My laptop does that too. Good.
viveks86
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Any comparisons out there on how that affects performance?
Topher
Identifies as young
It changes everything when the Xbox Rog Ally image being shown is worse because it is using FSR when it doesn't need it to achieve the same result
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Mister Wolf
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There is a lot of misinformation being spread by either ignorant or disingenuous people regarding this device.
MisterXDTV
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That's what I have read on this forum for years. That's why I'm confused
How exactly could 1080p native on the Ally X be dramaticaly better than 1080p DLSS on Switch 2?
It would improve compared to FSR 3.1 probably, but not so much to actually reverse the results of these tests
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Mister Wolf
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Its a PC. This Youtuber had no qualm implementing Hardware Lumen into UE5 games where its not available(a hack) and comparing it to the console versions of the game.
Now its a problem. Apparently the Xbox ROG AllY X not allowed to use the "real settings".
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